Cohesion matter to a certain extent, but the more important thing is tactical knowledge: what to do in transition attack/defense, what to do if the playmaker getting marked/pressured, etc. As long as there is no obvious trouble maker or getting "John Terried," I don't think cohesion will significantly determine the result. They are professionals, after all.
Moreover, this qualitative thing is difficult to measure. Only coaches have the incentive to study the dynamics. For a mere bettor, research on the quantitative variable or statistics is enough.
Topic: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting? - page 5. (Read 730 times)
I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
Guess I will need to assess the teams and see if they really understand their opponents and are playing in a way that shows they know what they are doingI've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.
After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
I would encourage/incentivize both (team & individual effort) After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Will probably tell the players to always follow plans that are meant to help them work together as team unless they individually find good opportunity they are sure to do well in, like to individually create useful chances or score goals for their teams. They have to always make sure the condition is right (the right players are at the proper positions to back them up. ) before using their talents without team effort. Any player who breaks the protocol without doing well individually with his skills/talent may lose some points.
do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
I think integrity in a team is a must because each player needs to have responsibility on their team and give the best performance every time they play. When they can have integrity, they will think that they all are in one team which they need to defend to win the game, and no matter what, they need to use all of they have to support all player. Maybe that is happening in real life, and some gamblers use that to select their team, not just because of their performance because that can give them more info about the team's conditions. Most games are dependent on team work, but frankly speaking, it's more important to have good players in a team than to have a team of weak players with good unity. A strong player not knows how to manage his team, but also gives other players a confidence and kind if security which can serve good for weak players. But a team of weak players might have good unity, but it's like crab, if one tries to score and play very well, the other will try to pull him down!
A certain team consists of team leader and team members. I agree that team work is one of the best idea or attitude that a team needs in order to have a success. In a saying, Teamwork makes dream works. A strong team is consider a strong team if it is leaded by a strong leader and smart followers. In betting, I experience to have a team betting like you grouped together in order to pitch in some ideas about betting and come up with a better simple and united decision. I think in this set-up we might reached our main or top agenda. And I think we will get our main goal which is to earn and be profitable in gambling.
All I know in sports are bad teams and good teams only, if a certain team keep losing, then they are a bad team and the opposite is the good team. If only we know or have access on the scene inside, that would be so helpful in analyzing the game, unfortunately it's not allowed, not even the insiders are allowed to leak some information regarding the team, all are confidential so as a better, our job is to only keep guessing.
Most games are dependent on team work, but frankly speaking, it's more important to have good players in a team than to have a team of weak players with good unity. A strong player not knows how to manage his team, but also gives other players a confidence and kind if security which can serve good for weak players. But a team of weak players might have good unity, but it's like crab, if one tries to score and play very well, the other will try to pull him down!
Statistics matter. And that's the most important thing to consider. Whatever reason why the stats are like that may or may not be beyond our knowledge. It could be that the players of a certain team are good players. It could also be that even if they are not the best of players they have a certain level of cohesion with each other so that everybody is so comfortable playing with their teammates. It could be that everyone is so consistent in their play executions that they can defeat even those teams with better players but could also turn out unlucky sometimes.
I don't account for cohesion when I bet.
I am not saying that it doesn't matter but nowadays, if there is a better player in ones teams and the other team doesn't have that kind of player or have not much better performance if their last games I would bet on the team with better players.
I am not saying that it doesn't matter but nowadays, if there is a better player in ones teams and the other team doesn't have that kind of player or have not much better performance if their last games I would bet on the team with better players.
This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
I think that only the coach and the athletes themselves can know for sure about the relationship between the players and the level of team unity. We can only guess thanks to past games and news, but everything can change at any minute, so I think this is a very complicated analysis that can lead to more mistakes and only confuse.
Exactly, all we know is just what the media has been telling us, it could be accurate or inaccurate information but we can always consider that as a basis when betting on sports. We gamble and our basis is based on rumors and news, so just like gambling, we could win or lose, these news could be right or wrong.
Yeah, it does matter I would say. But it would be hard to know the exact "cohesion" between the team members unless you know them personally or you have been following them for a very long time.
One should actually take that into account along with other factors such as their strength or weakness when playing with other teams. Teams that have better cohesion has better chance of winning
One should actually take that into account along with other factors such as their strength or weakness when playing with other teams. Teams that have better cohesion has better chance of winning
Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
It does matter, but what ever you see on a TV shows are bit exaggerated. 
Of course, it's part of the assessment. Studying a team doesn't only involve numbers, it also considers those intangible factors that you can't really put any numbers to describe, but still exists. Everything should be taken into account when you want to study a team, even if it was something as vague as the cohesion of the team. Yes, you won't often see it plainly, but it takes time, after all, so you can't really gather data about it however just keep watching them play as a team, and you'd actually see and notice various points that would probably show you how a team behaves as a "team"
I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game. Here's a poster in case you might've seen it but aren't sure:
After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
Without a doubt team cohesion matters, the problem is that it is something difficult to measure, for example in the Euro 2016 Iceland was able to beat England 2 to 1 and advance to the quarterfinals of the tournament with a team that only had a few professionals and the rest were just amateurs, not only that they made it to the World Cup of 2018 and even if they were unable to get out of the group stage they were able to draw with Argentina during that World Cup and they still hold the record for the smallest country to ever qualify to the World Cup. After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
I think morale and cohesion can be one thing that is necessary on the team that a gambler should think about to select the team. If one team can have good morale and cohesion between the player, they can be a strong team although they are in the undervalued team. The player can learn about the skill, but morale is something that every people should have. If every player can have integrity to the team, it can help the team become strong and play better than the other team. They can play better with the other player as a team and not show personal skills as football is a team sport.
It does matter a lot not just in football but also on all team sports. Team sports is not just about skill. Skill may be important but it will not be the only ingredient for a winning team. Chemistry and respect are two of the most important characteristics of a strong team.
In the NBA, for example, one player may register double doubles or even triple doubles repeatedly, but those stats do not win games. I know many NBA fans here have some idea on who I may be referring to. Triple double is such a nice achievement, but only personally. What use is it if in achieving it you are losing the game?
I have also seen the extreme importance of team cohesion in eSports such as DOTA II.
In the NBA, for example, one player may register double doubles or even triple doubles repeatedly, but those stats do not win games. I know many NBA fans here have some idea on who I may be referring to. Triple double is such a nice achievement, but only personally. What use is it if in achieving it you are losing the game?
I have also seen the extreme importance of team cohesion in eSports such as DOTA II.
You can't really tell the bond between teams and players unless you've been following them closely on the sport for a long time. I'd say it matters since there are decisions in the middle of the game that are crucial for the game's development that only tightly-knit teams can get through without losing morale. They do have their coaches and what not to help them pull through but overall team cohesion sans coach commands IMO is still pretty vital when it comes to major games and team-based sports that I bet on i.e. basketball, football, etc.
Of course but it's hard to tell if they really have good teamwork, mostly we only based on their record and if they have good record then we can say they are playing well as a team. Maybe if you have an inside information you'll know what's happening and that would help you to choose the right team to bet, but since we are just typical bettors, then we don't have an access on that.
I think these things matters too. And in main leagues that I follow, I considering these things before making bets. Offcourse, in these leagues which I don't follow so much and watch less games, it's more difficult to know these things.
And in almost every league there is several teams that I avoid to bet on. When I saw your topic, Arsenal and Spurs came to my head first.
And in almost every league there is several teams that I avoid to bet on. When I saw your topic, Arsenal and Spurs came to my head first.
That is hard to analyze as we don't know much about the players and we just depend on what we are seeing on their games. I don't know if this counts but the Wizards had this peculiar endgame against Houston Rockets where Bradley Beal seems to be upset about. I don't know what happened but upon searching some articles it seems he's upset about his teammates disrespecting John Wall.
Then a lot of articles are stating that Beal is angry as he has ever been on his team and they are not doing fine which I think why they really need that smooth relationship.
Then a lot of articles are stating that Beal is angry as he has ever been on his team and they are not doing fine which I think why they really need that smooth relationship.
There's no denying, cohesion is one of the most important things when it comes to sports teams, but how can you possibly assess it? There's no way you can find that kind of information somewhere on social media. Two people can be best friends and totally understand each other in real life, but even that doesn't mean that they will play cohesively during the game. You can rely on the previous games, but each game isn't quite like the previous one, right? Many things change, go in a different way, depending on the opponent and not just that.
One thing you should probably take into account is who's the coach. I think a proper team coach not only teaches techniques and strategies but also influences the atmosphere in the team. So, based on the trainer, you can probably make draw some conclusions about cohesion, but it's all just in theory.
One thing you should probably take into account is who's the coach. I think a proper team coach not only teaches techniques and strategies but also influences the atmosphere in the team. So, based on the trainer, you can probably make draw some conclusions about cohesion, but it's all just in theory.
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