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Quote from: kryptqnick on February 18, 2021, 09:32:11 AM

I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game. Here's a poster in case you might've seen it but aren't sure:

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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?

Team cohesion is very important it is encouraged by the management, in fact, they do a seminar and get together even when they are out of the practice or game this is to ensure that every players are in good camaraderie with other players, but it's also important that there's a strong player, that can carry the team spirit and play.

Cohesion is always part of the winning team and also our winning bets , because how can we expect to win in our team supporting when they are in their own feet when playing ?
their Mind , Body and Spirit must be Correlate with each other (Of course with the command of the Coaching team) to bring the winning into our footsteps .
So yeah i totally agree with what OP is pointing in this and surely everyone of us are agreeing with the same sentiment .

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 20, 2021, 07:05:46 PM

Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.

But that's cohesion though? To utilize all unique skills of all players to make a strong team by focusing on key placements is what makes a team strongest and best of their version. While I agree that in a team, a particular player is best among all other players, psychological effects do matter, like if that player is given post of captaincy, then that will put more burden and pressure leading to reduction of the player's capabilities. So, it should be a balance of all that impacts.

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But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court.

They paid for the star players and that’s why they depend on them that much, and the purpose of the other players is to support their ace player, and that’s what a team is all about. You don’t get too emotional if you’re playing with the best player, I’m sure you’re part of the team because you’re good as well and that’s my basis when I’m betting, its all about the team.

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Quote from: Janation on February 21, 2021, 05:54:35 AM

But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court.

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Quote from: rodskee on February 21, 2021, 12:03:44 AM

Supporting what Ted is Pointing here , yeah we Have great individual players and also correct that the team won't win without them and without their ability and skills.
But also lets not forget that the team won't win with only the best player because that's why it is called "Team" because of the group effort and not only because of the said superstars .

But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

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Team cohesion is very important it is encouraged by the management, in fact, they do a seminar and get together even when they are out of the practice or game this is to ensure that every players are in good camaraderie with other players, but it's also important that there's a strong player, that can carry the team spirit and play.

Yeah team cohesion is an important factor if you are betting on any team. The more details you have about the team the better chances for you to bet on the right team. It does not grantee the winning of the bet but surely increases the probability of winning.

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Supporting what Ted is Pointing here , yeah we Have great individual players and also correct that the team won't win without them and without their ability and skills.
But also lets not forget that the team won't win with only the best player because that's why it is called "Team" because of the group effort and not only because of the said superstars .

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Of course, this can't happen in real life like in this show. After all, in real life in a professional sports team there are people who are well versed in the details. Before you play a match with an opponent everything is analyzed. Individual qualities of opponents are also sorted out. It is always necessary to watch the composition of teams, adjust your game to the opponent's game and look for weaknesses of the opponent. Non-professionals can not do this.

Yep from the since team into the opponent , they must be analyzed and observe for us to win and not only in some aspects instead the totality will cover each small things that most bettors don't anticipate.

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Quote from: plr on February 20, 2021, 06:24:01 AM

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

You may be right here but I have seen some underdog teams changing the games after intervals during half time. Don't you think that they were motivated enough that they get great energy out of it and if every single player decides to play for the team instead of looking for their personal benefits, that energy works as a teamforce and makes that underdog team win?

Sometimes we see their player change during half-time after breaks. The coaches should know how to use the team's power because that is what they need to win or beat the opponent. When every player knows that they are in one team and needs to unify energy to play better than the last, they will realize that it is their team and need to play for the team.

If a gambler knows how to analyze this, he can have a chance to select the better team which matches in that game. It is not just how we can analyze the team, the players, but we can also look at the other things that can be as additional information to us to select the right team.

Changing player is not an issue. Because in a team example in Basketball, a coach knows how to handle things and what strategy they are going to use. Like, a mind of a coach is always working even in a current play, and it will of a play depends on how he see the other players while playing. In gambling, I also realize that a simple bet can make the next future bet differently, two options, you won or you lose. But in a certain group, taking team's cohesion is a very helpful way in order for you and your groupmates to have a united and simple decision and team goal in playing gambling.

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Quote from: plr on February 20, 2021, 06:24:01 AM

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

You may be right here but I have seen some underdog teams changing the games after intervals during half time. Don't you think that they were motivated enough that they get great energy out of it and if every single player decides to play for the team instead of looking for their personal benefits, that energy works as a teamforce and makes that underdog team win?

Sometimes we see their player change during half-time after breaks. The coaches should know how to use the team's power because that is what they need to win or beat the opponent. When every player knows that they are in one team and needs to unify energy to play better than the last, they will realize that it is their team and need to play for the team.

If a gambler knows how to analyze this, he can have a chance to select the better team which matches in that game. It is not just how we can analyze the team, the players, but we can also look at the other things that can be as additional information to us to select the right team.

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cohesion for the game.

Yes it matters alot, the series is likely not completely unrealistic in this aspect. Whats a bit make believe is the random person is better then a proper coach who has insight and knowledge to the team challenges including fitness.
I do consider the team factor as a large part of what determines a win and is a hidden factor that cant be included by just adding up names and separate skills each player might have. What I've read happening is the team coach can call in specialists to help with specific areas and team building/training days is not a new idea to improving performance for any team even business effectiveness.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 20, 2021, 07:05:46 PM

Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.

You have a good point.

This is just a show. In reality, it is absolute nonsense for any football team to hire a coach knowing nothing about the sports. And even if in the weird event that a certain coach who has zero knowledge of the sports is tapped as a coach, the players would not be comfortable with it and probably will not function very well in the game. Sooner or later, they would demand for a better coach.

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Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.

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To be honest I have only one way of betting on football.

The idea is to bet on teams that I like and follow like my national team. I know when they're doing good or bet and I don't bet against them just for them or if I see them doing bad I don't bet at all.

If you follow a certain sport like football and bet a lot in this area you can spend some time researching status of the teams but I don't do it. I have no time and I don't bet on football much.

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Quote from: plr on February 20, 2021, 06:24:01 AM

Quote from: kryptqnick on February 18, 2021, 09:32:11 AM

I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

I totally agree on this one. The goal of most TV shows is to get the attention of their views, to be able to capture the real-life experience of a football coach without even knowing what it is. How would that be real-life? Let's be real though. That could be their assistant coach that could boost their morale but I don't think it would be a head coach.

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Quote from: plr on February 20, 2021, 06:24:01 AM

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

You may be right here but I have seen some underdog teams changing the games after intervals during half time. Don't you think that they were motivated enough that they get great energy out of it and if every single player decides to play for the team instead of looking for their personal benefits, that energy works as a teamforce and makes that underdog team win?

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Quote from: Becky666 on February 20, 2021, 11:37:52 AM

Personally, team cohesiveness should be a matter of consideration because without team cohesion it will be more difficult for the team to make good play when they play others. Without the team cohesiveness it will be possible for the team to enter into garbage play which could made them loose their game. During my betting with the sport team, my emphasis are always lead to team cohesion before betting.

How would you know that if the team is in good terms of each other? Insider information is not even available in public because that's for sure will make a change of the outcome of the game if the other team would know it. I think it's best to look at their previous matches on how good their teamwork is and who is lacking in responses.

Overall it is still important to know the teams morale is one of the factors of the outcome when betting on your favorite team. Plus added with their performances how well they are to each other or how good their team coordination will show the outcome.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on February 18, 2021, 09:32:11 AM

but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?

These finer details are never public to understand what is going on inside a team and placing a bet with insider information is illegal. When i am placing a bet i always go through their injury list and the players form and recent performance and if you are having insider information of every locker room you can make a fortune and match fixers always look for these information and it is not easy to avail Grin

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That's how exactly a correct answer and I think, you nailed it.
In each member of the team, there's a weakness that we should know before making a decision and place a bet. There's possible that their strongest player becomes injured and won't able to play in the next game, so that is a great advantage if you will know, not just because of the fantasy in the TV show.

Speaking of insider information, that is impossible and very rare because it will I guess putting at their team risk when there's someone who will know their weakness.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on February 18, 2021, 09:32:11 AM

but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?

These finer details are never public to understand what is going on inside a team and placing a bet with insider information is illegal. When i am placing a bet i always go through their injury list and the players form and recent performance and if you are having insider information of every locker room you can make a fortune and match fixers always look for these information and it is not easy to avail Grin

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This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.

In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.

There is a reason on why it is called 'team sports' in the first place. Even if a single player is well-known for his skills, he alone, cannot win the game by itself. Team sports rely on everyone's effort and skill in order to achieve maximum efficiency and output.

In NBA, lots of individually skilled players are distributed across many teams. I remember the 2010-2014 Miami Heat, where the Big Three (LBJ, Wade, and Bosh) won, although they were the most dominant team in the league, they still need to rely on their team (especially Ray Allen) in order to win the playoffs!

I agree with you qwertyup23, but I think in basketball a good player can both play in attack and defense because the field is short and there are few players on the field. But in soccer good players can only stay at their position in the game most of the times, so even if a player is good, he will only be able to act on his part.

With that wide area of such game then that will really be exhausting if you are trying to cope up on said possible positions just like on basketball.We are just humans and
we arent that fast and lots of stamina on doing that this is why its really an impossible thing to consider on having that kind of behavior. Team coordination and
effort is really mainly needed on this kind of game and of course that do really matters in winning a particular game but its better that you do have
better players in the field as usual.

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Personally, team cohesiveness should be a matter of consideration because without team cohesion it will be more difficult for the team to make good play when they play others. Without the team cohesiveness it will be possible for the team to enter into garbage play which could made them loose their game. During my betting with the sport team, my emphasis are always lead to team cohesion before betting.

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