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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?

high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows get a reference in real life events .

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Quote from: XZERO1 on February 24, 2021, 07:33:50 AM

Quote from: kryptqnick on February 18, 2021, 10:32:11 AM

but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet?

Nope, to be honest that does not make much of a difference in results like 95% of the time, if there's something going on with the team and maybe some players don't really like each other that usually don't result in a bad game from the team unless there's some personal level stuff going on there.

I mean it's safe to assume that there is some minor issues with every team and almost every team has some player that does not like the other player but it's in the coach responsibility to either resolve the issue or not let their performance or team work being affected by some personal issues that doesn't have anything to do with the team, that being said that in no way means that it's okay if all the players of the team hate each other or something, it only means minor issues exist in every single team and you can only do so much about them.

I think you are speaking of something different than what the OP talked about, you seem to be thinking about the relationship of the team outside the field when the OP is talking about team chemistry, team chemistry is about knowing your teammate so well that you know how he is going to move without even having to look at him, you just know where he is and where he will be, this gives you a huge advantage as the defenders cannot react quickly enough and they can take advantage of that opening, so team chemistry is without a doubt important and I have even seen some sports video games that took that into account when auto-resolving matches which means that even developers consider that an important factor to simulate.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on February 18, 2021, 10:32:11 AM

but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet?

Nope, to be honest that does not make much of a difference in results like 95% of the time, if there's something going on with the team and maybe some players don't really like each other that usually don't result in a bad game from the team unless there's some personal level stuff going on there.

I mean it's safe to assume that there is some minor issues with every team and almost every team has some player that does not like the other player but it's in the coach responsibility to either resolve the issue or not let their performance or team work being affected by some personal issues that doesn't have anything to do with the team, that being said that in no way means that it's okay if all the players of the team hate each other or something, it only means minor issues exist in every single team and you can only do so much about them.

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on February 19, 2021, 08:41:45 AM

Most games are dependent on team work, but frankly speaking, it's more important to have good players in a team than to have a team of weak players with good unity. A strong player not knows how to manage his team, but also gives other players a confidence and kind if security which can serve good for weak players. But a team of weak players might have good unity, but it's like crab, if one tries to score and play very well, the other will try to pull him down!

Actually better coordination and team synergy between weak players is better than amazing but egoistic players in a team, specially if the sport is all about teamwork like NBA, soccer, NFL, cricket, etc where teamwork and synergy is almost everything.

I will share an example of cricket team here, anyone who follows cricket must have known what IPL is and what teams participate. RCB one of the best team in terms of talent has never managed to win the league because the synergy is just not there and the team doesn't work as a unit. On the other side team like CSK don't have the talent pool and yeah recently they didn't do well but they are one of the most successful teams in the IPL just because they have the togetherness a team requires.

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Motivation and what's on stake for a team to win the game is not just important but one of the most crucial things to analyze and this doesn't work in just soccer or team sports but also individual player based sports like tennis. You can see Djokovic vs Nadal matches will always have a higher level of intensity as compared to Djokovic playing some ranked 100 guy that's because his reputation and rivalry is at stake against top players.

For team sports, always see if the teams participating in the match have some reason to push their limits or they are just playing for consolation prizes. In fact I have several times made profit when I know a team needs to win by at least 2 goals to qualify and that tells me the match will have more goals than usual as the team will attack all the time which doesn't just help them score more but the opposition also gets a few easy chances to counter attack against an all-offensive lineup.

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Quote from: robelneo on February 19, 2021, 07:26:52 AM

This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.

While without a doubt it is harder to pull off a win if you do not have a couple of stars in the team it is not impossible, it is known that it is easier to play defensively than it is offensively, so a team with good cohesion that is in a a very good physical shape and that can rotate their players can still stand up to a better team, this is especially true in team games where the number of players on the field is higher, for example this is difficult to do in basketball as a single player represents 20% of the team but it is easier on soccer in which a player represents only 9.09% of the team.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on February 21, 2021, 10:09:35 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 20, 2021, 08:05:46 PM

Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.

It cannot just be limited to physical fitness. If there's a strong player who wants to score the goals himself and doesn't pass to another player even though that player has a better chance of scoring a goal just because they're competing with each other, it's a problem of the team's cohesion, not of physical fitness.

This all relates to intellectual activity in the game and can be considered a physical indicator. If a player is an idiot and does not understand what game he is playing (team game) then he has problems as a player and this is not a matter of cohesion. And by the way, there are quite a few such players (for example, who get into a fight, although they know that the whole team will suffer because of this), but this (in this case, aggressiveness) is a common physical indicator that should be taken into account by the coach.

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Quote from: shoreno on February 22, 2021, 07:04:55 AM

yes it is verry important to look for this if we are betting but the strenght and weaknesses of every player is also important to know . if players are working together as a team they may also adopt it into their real lives outside the footbal field which is nice .

^ Emotional and physical updates should better check in every team that you will pick to bet, the first to consider is if there is an injured player from the team and who is the weak player from the team every time when there is a swap player. And then the last one is the team cohesion and that is right, a team should always have teamwork because it has a big impact when the team will work together. A cohesive team has a strong and powerful and also strength that can motivate them to be successful and win the match.

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yes it is verry important to look for this if we are betting but the strenght and weaknesses of every player is also important to know . if players are working together as a team they may also adopt it into their real lives outside the footbal field which is nice .

but why is the coach on that tv show coaches a football if he dont know anything about the game ? is that part of thier show ? but for sure players will know and players will correct him if its possible within that show .

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It has a huge impact on the team performance and I am not talking explicitly about betting here.Some years ago I worked in a country with a low quality league of football.This league was dominated by only one or two teams but at the year I worked there the league was won by an outsider team.The coach didn’t have the best players available but he built a real solid team that their strength was their unity.In this sense it has a huge impact and consequently so it does on betting.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on February 18, 2021, 10:32:11 AM

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Of course i do, even though there are some issues going on in my team? yet that's not enough for me to not crediting the cohesion of the team.

I remember the oldschool Basketball team that i love to bet on in past , yeah they are having troubles together but in court ? they are still intensive and being professional .

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Quote from: acener on February 21, 2021, 11:19:16 AM

I think it does because they would play better if they have some kind of connection.
Just like if they have been playing together for so long they could easily pick up what their other team mates would do.

It's called a team sport after all, if they do not have that basic connection with each other, I think that they will lose very often than anyone would expect. I don't think that you need to consider that when you are betting, the performance of the team shows their cohesion and cooperation with the others. What you need to look out for is the best players on that team and check their individual performance because they can carry the game.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on February 21, 2021, 11:39:03 AM

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Always remember that the strong players can beat by strong and a hard-working team. Sometimes the hard-working tram are the best team because they are the one who is having a great team work and those team that are persistent, compare to those teams that has a strong players but still have a bad attitude. Who do you think will win? Of course we will bet on the team that has the team work and persistent to win than to those team that all of the players are star player and having a bad attitude.

Sometimes the weak players can beat the strong player, especially if they can try hard and use many things to win. We can underestimate that team or player because we think that their chance to win is small and they are not possible to win for some time if they do not change their game style. It might be unbelievable, but that can happen with a bigger effort from that player. We need to know each player on that team and how their attitude can help us analyze each player's ability. It will

The team will move and play well because there is a coach who manages the game and strategy, so that the team is strong or does not depend on the coach to place the right and right player positions to control who comes out and who enters, at the right time and can read the players when there is a good chance.
So in addition to playing compactly and strongly, the coach also has a strong role to play in winning.

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Quote from: pinggoki on February 21, 2021, 08:38:17 AM

Always remember that the strong players can beat by strong and a hard-working team. Sometimes the hard-working tram are the best team because they are the one who is having a great team work and those team that are persistent, compare to those teams that has a strong players but still have a bad attitude. Who do you think will win? Of course we will bet on the team that has the team work and persistent to win than to those team that all of the players are star player and having a bad attitude.

Sometimes the weak players can beat the strong player, especially if they can try hard and use many things to win. We can underestimate that team or player because we think that their chance to win is small and they are not possible to win for some time if they do not change their game style. It might be unbelievable, but that can happen with a bigger effort from that player. We need to know each player on that team and how their attitude can help us analyze each player's ability. It will

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I think it does because they would play better if they have some kind of connection.
Just like if they have been playing together for so long they could easily pick up what their other team mates would do.

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But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court.

But what is the connection of the rift of Jordan and their Manager while they are not actually playing with the Managers, they are just there to monitor their franchise. Another thing is that even though they have that rift, Jordan is a well-known name in the league and I don't think they will just let them go the reason they are letting them do what he can.

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Quote from: madnessteat on February 18, 2021, 03:02:56 PM

I think that only the coach and the athletes themselves can know for sure about the relationship between the players and the level of team unity. We can only guess thanks to past games and news, but everything can change at any minute, so I think this is a very complicated analysis that can lead to more mistakes and only confuse.

The strength of a team isn't just about their skills and ability about the sports that they're in but it's also about how they unite as one. As for me, team's cohesion is still important for them to stand firmer and just focus on a single goal. A team that is united and has a good relationship with each other could easily reach their goal of winning easily.

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Quote from: plr on February 20, 2021, 07:24:01 AM

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I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

If the team is in EPL, I think it already means it has talent, no? You don't just get into the league by mediocre play, so the team is full of highly skilled people. They might not be the best in the world, but they're very close to it. And in that case, cohesion is what they lack to become stronger. By the way, they actually get relegated in the show, so the show doesn't try to say that cohesion is all a team needs.

Quote from: KTChampions on February 20, 2021, 08:05:46 PM

Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.

It cannot just be limited to physical fitness. If there's a strong player who wants to score the goals himself and doesn't pass to another player even though that player has a better chance of scoring a goal just because they're competing with each other, it's a problem of the team's cohesion, not of physical fitness.

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Always remember that the strong players can beat by strong and a hard-working team. Sometimes the hard-working tram are the best team because they are the one who is having a great team work and those team that are persistent, compare to those teams that has a strong players but still have a bad attitude. Who do you think will win? Of course we will bet on the team that has the team work and persistent to win than to those team that all of the players are star player and having a bad attitude.

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Quote from: coin-investor on February 21, 2021, 07:16:00 AM

Quote from: Janation on February 21, 2021, 06:54:35 AM

But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court.

They know how to unite all players and give the best performance in that game.
Cohesion and the best player matters because that is how the team can win in almost every match.
But sometimes, they can not unite and play better because every player must try to defeat their ego in the field.
But for professional athletes, that will not be a problem as they know how to manage their emotions and forget their ego for trying to win.

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