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Quote from: JL421 on July 10, 2018, 02:57:31 PM

This isn't the worst theory imo, the biggest misconception is gambling isn't and will never be a source of entertainment. I did understand your theory and it might make sense but the problem with most people is they spend a lot on this so called entertainment. A movie ticket might cost maximum of 30$ but for many gamblers they want to turn 30$ to 3000$ which is why they get addicted easily

I can't completely disagree to what you said. However, a lot of people take gambling as a form of entertainment. Entertainment is subjective in nature. Hiring a hooker is also an entertainment to many. People spend money on that to get something in return that relaxes themselves. Similarly gambling relaxes a lot of people and they do it to get something in return. Probably you prefer to spend on movies to relax yourself. Some other people prefers gambling. Addiction here is completely self inflicted.

I mean watching movie or something does give you a sort of break for few hours, even though the movie might be shit you get to rest for some time but in gambling i feel that if you are trying to relax and reduce stress then it's a bad idea because if you lose your stress levels will rise further

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the idea is excellent, but for some reason it seems to me that it will not work.

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Quote from: nl247 on July 10, 2018, 05:14:21 AM

Ok! I was actually trying to get reasons why people get addicted to gambling which we all know is more self inflicted. However, I came up with this theory for someone who may actually want to gamble and then would not want to get addicted based on trying to fix their mentality about it and I would like to seek your opinion on what you think about it, if it can actually end up working for any gambler or not.

The theory is;
If you want to gamble, see it more like you are paying the casino or gambling platform to have some fun (just like you do to go watch some movies in cinema), which if you are paying for anything, you are not meant to expect it back. The good thing however is that, you can actually end up being paid more for having that fun if you get lucky, but the chances of seeing that happen is pretty slim. In that light, if you cannot actually live with doing what I said above, then you should not be gambling at all.

Does this sound like a mentality that can help anyone understand what they are in for if they indeed want to gamble or something even those who are tending towards addiction can set their mind to so as not to get into that deep gambling hole that is hard to come out from?

About fun, yes your theory is correct! But how you define fun? For me gambling is fun because you can win money without doing anything. In cinema we are offered content to watch for which we pay. But in gambling, there is no content, the sole medium of fun is seeing your bet winning.
For example, I bet a lot on Fifa World Cup ended few days back. It made my matches more entertaining and heart beating. But both in the event of winning and losing, I am not satisfied and still wanted to bet more. Hence even if we consider betting as fun, it still could lead to addiction because Fun is addictive on its own.

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Quote from: Symphonized on July 11, 2018, 10:04:59 PM

I do believe that as much as getting some small incentive it's already good for starting gambling.
Before joining any games gambler should read a specific set of guidelines to make him worth trying it and continuing or quiting.
Off course in the long run he will eventually become greedy if he hasn't understood his max stakes or didn't followed those guidelines

That's what I'm doing every time when I try to gamble.
Although it's difficult to understand but it's become human nature that usually we called as greed. We can control it today but it's always appear in every moment in your life !

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Quote from: nl247 on July 10, 2018, 05:14:21 AM

Ok! I was actually trying to get reasons why people get addicted to gambling which we all know is more self inflicted. However, I came up with this theory for someone who may actually want to gamble and then would not want to get addicted based on trying to fix their mentality about it and I would like to seek your opinion on what you think about it, if it can actually end up working for any gambler or not.

The theory is;
If you want to gamble, see it more like you are paying the casino or gambling platform to have some fun (just like you do to go watch some movies in cinema), which if you are paying for anything, you are not meant to expect it back. The good thing however is that, you can actually end up being paid more for having that fun if you get lucky, but the chances of seeing that happen is pretty slim. In that light, if you cannot actually live with doing what I said above, then you should not be gambling at all.

Does this sound like a mentality that can help anyone understand what they are in for if they indeed want to gamble or something even those who are tending towards addiction can set their mind to so as not to get into that deep gambling hole that is hard to come out from?

That is the mentality everyone should have when they are gambling but unfortunately that is not the case and it is not difficult to understand why this is the case, unlike other games gambling is an activity that requires a constant input of money in the system, if you do not do it, you are not gambling and it is natural to expect a return on the money you gamble, in fact that is the way all the games are advertised so while in theory gambling games are only for fun many people see them as an easy way to multiply their money, we understand the math and control ourselves so we know that is not the case but we are a minority.

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This theory may apply to most people, but not to persons with addictive personalities who simply can't help themselves.

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I do believe that as much as getting some small incentive it's already good for starting gambling.
Before joining any games gambler should read a specific set of guidelines to make him worth trying it and continuing or quiting.
Off course in the long run he will eventually become greedy if he hasn't understood his max stakes or didn't followed those guidelines

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Sounds good on paper but very difficult to not expect anything. Well from the name itself "GAMBLING" means you are risking something in proportion to the rewards relative to what you risked for. Sure, if you have enough resources to gamble money PURELY because of entertainment, then why the heck not? The problem lies on individuals who see gambling as an avenue that can solve their financial struggles and issues. When that happens, expect them to get addicted and their mentality would be clouded, thinking that they might recover what they lost and win in order to pay their current obligations.

Again, this creates an endless cycle between the individual and the casino due to the mentality of losing and hoping that they could recover their losses by BETTING again.

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Interesting valid points you made there OP. With the complains, questions and contribution I gathered, I realized that most people who get addicted in gambling is as a result of having the mentality of making money from gambling. When the lose, they have the anxiety to play again and this anxiety and urge simply slides to addiction. Gambling was meant to be for fun and not a money making machine.

Like what I mentioned, the problem will only occur if people see gambling as a gateway to pay-off their obligations or to earn alternative income. Compared to people who primarily use it for entertainment, expect them to have self-discipline and control whenever they bet their money.

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Quote from: nl247 on July 10, 2018, 05:14:21 AM

Ok! I was actually trying to get reasons why people get addicted to gambling which we all know is more self inflicted. However, I came up with this theory for someone who may actually want to gamble and then would not want to get addicted based on trying to fix their mentality about it and I would like to seek your opinion on what you think about it, if it can actually end up working for any gambler or not.

The theory is;
If you want to gamble, see it more like you are paying the casino or gambling platform to have some fun (just like you do to go watch some movies in cinema), which if you are paying for anything, you are not meant to expect it back. The good thing however is that, you can actually end up being paid more for having that fun if you get lucky, but the chances of seeing that happen is pretty slim. In that light, if you cannot actually live with doing what I said above, then you should not be gambling at all.

Does this sound like a mentality that can help anyone understand what they are in for if they indeed want to gamble or something even those who are tending towards addiction can set their mind to so as not to get into that deep gambling hole that is hard to come out from?

Some people may not know this but for me life is a gamble, take it or leave it, this is your only choices. If you want to pay for having fun then do it, if you don't want to pay for that then don't, simple as that. But if you cross over your limit then it is beyond gambling, it is your desire to go there, so it means that you accept the risk.

Every person knows it if they could just reflect it to their self in the first place but some people are stupid, so it is not their desire anymore but their stupidity.

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Quote from: nl247 on July 10, 2018, 05:14:21 AM

Ok! I was actually trying to get reasons why people get addicted to gambling which we all know is more self inflicted. However, I came up with this theory for someone who may actually want to gamble and then would not want to get addicted based on trying to fix their mentality about it and I would like to seek your opinion on what you think about it, if it can actually end up working for any gambler or not.

The theory is;
If you want to gamble, see it more like you are paying the casino or gambling platform to have some fun (just like you do to go watch some movies in cinema), which if you are paying for anything, you are not meant to expect it back. The good thing however is that, you can actually end up being paid more for having that fun if you get lucky, but the chances of seeing that happen is pretty slim. In that light, if you cannot actually live with doing what I said above, then you should not be gambling at all.

Does this sound like a mentality that can help anyone understand what they are in for if they indeed want to gamble or something even those who are tending towards addiction can set their mind to so as not to get into that deep gambling hole that is hard to come out from?

Well that sounds completely reasonable, but the problem is that all people know that, they have the mindset of going into gambling just for fun but they always end up playing another one and another one and before they know it they are stuck and can't go back, it is similar to people who are addicted to video games they start playing for fun and slowly they become hooked to the game and can't quit it.

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Quote from: nl247 on July 10, 2018, 05:14:21 AM

Ok! I was actually trying to get reasons why people get addicted to gambling which we all know is more self inflicted. However, I came up with this theory for someone who may actually want to gamble and then would not want to get addicted based on trying to fix their mentality about it and I would like to seek your opinion on what you think about it, if it can actually end up working for any gambler or not.

The theory is;
If you want to gamble, see it more like you are paying the casino or gambling platform to have some fun (just like you do to go watch some movies in cinema), which if you are paying for anything, you are not meant to expect it back. The good thing however is that, you can actually end up being paid more for having that fun if you get lucky, but the chances of seeing that happen is pretty slim. In that light, if you cannot actually live with doing what I said above, then you should not be gambling at all.

Does this sound like a mentality that can help anyone understand what they are in for if they indeed want to gamble or something even those who are tending towards addiction can set their mind to so as not to get into that deep gambling hole that is hard to come out from?

The way you painted it makes it so simple as straight to the point but that is not the way gambling is and I don't see anyone who engage in gambling without the primary objective of winning when that is no longer achievable, we can then start to give ourselves some succor by coming with other objectives. Your analogy is right but replacing that as the primary objective is what I see as impossible.

Gambling is serious business to people. The money you are wagering was not given to you for free some people work hard to earn that money so if they want to have fun without any return in terms of income, there are several places to do that which is not limited to cinema, clubs, vacation, traveling, swimming, play games etc.

The way out for me is finding another means of earning sufficient income which is equally time consuming ( for someone struggling with gambling at the moment) but for a mild gambler, I don't think there is need to worry about whether he sees it as fun or as a means to earn something decent.

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Quote from: nl247 on July 10, 2018, 05:14:21 AM

If you want to gamble, see it more like you are paying the casino or gambling platform to have some fun (just like you do to go watch some movies in cinema), which if you are paying for anything, you are not meant to expect it back. The good thing however is that, you can actually end up being paid more for having that fun if you get lucky, but the chances of seeing that happen is pretty slim. In that light, if you cannot actually live with doing what I said above, then you should not be gambling at all.

Actually the best way not to get addicted is to not gamble if your funds is from hard word or a necessary money, the problem with gamblers getting addicted is that they thought it is so easy to win so even though they necessarily need the money they wanted to gamble it thinking that it will grow, and if they lose their funds they started to regret it and started to win what they've lost and that is the start of gambling addiction.

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Sounds good. This should be every gamblers mindset then, only we could enjoy it. But, most gamblers fails to be like this. For me, I gamble like what you have said above. It's not an addiction for me so, I can enjoy it and feel the excitement of winning something even if i am not expecting it.

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Quote from: nl247 on July 10, 2018, 05:14:21 AM

Ok! I was actually trying to get reasons why people get addicted to gambling which we all know is more self inflicted. However, I came up with this theory for someone who may actually want to gamble and then would not want to get addicted based on trying to fix their mentality about it and I would like to seek your opinion on what you think about it, if it can actually end up working for any gambler or not.

The theory is;
If you want to gamble, see it more like you are paying the casino or gambling platform to have some fun (just like you do to go watch some movies in cinema), which if you are paying for anything, you are not meant to expect it back. The good thing however is that, you can actually end up being paid more for having that fun if you get lucky, but the chances of seeing that happen is pretty slim. In that light, if you cannot actually live with doing what I said above, then you should not be gambling at all.

Does this sound like a mentality that can help anyone understand what they are in for if they indeed want to gamble or something even those who are tending towards addiction can set their mind to so as not to get into that deep gambling hole that is hard to come out from?

Interesting. But the differemce is people pay fixed amounts for recreational activities like watching a movie. In gambling, you may end up seeming to pay twice or thrice to watch the same movie over and over again.

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In my case I guess its somewhat the same with your theory. Mine, I always think that I will just eat a hearthy meal from an expensive restaurant or Ill just buy something go reward my self. There was a time when I was asked to try this new casino in town, we tried but lost then my buddy told me to recover what we lost.

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Quote from: nl247 on July 10, 2018, 05:14:21 AM

Ok! I was actually trying to get reasons why people get addicted to gambling which we all know is more self inflicted. However, I came up with this theory for someone who may actually want to gamble and then would not want to get addicted based on trying to fix their mentality about it and I would like to seek your opinion on what you think about it, if it can actually end up working for any gambler or not.

The theory is;
If you want to gamble, see it more like you are paying the casino or gambling platform to have some fun (just like you do to go watch some movies in cinema), which if you are paying for anything, you are not meant to expect it back. The good thing however is that, you can actually end up being paid more for having that fun if you get lucky, but the chances of seeing that happen is pretty slim. In that light, if you cannot actually live with doing what I said above, then you should not be gambling at all.

Does this sound like a mentality that can help anyone understand what they are in for if they indeed want to gamble or something even those who are tending towards addiction can set their mind to so as not to get into that deep gambling hole that is hard to come out from?

People don't see gambling as ideally for having fun at all, Almost 99% of people who gamble only do it for one reason alone and that is to win money. Having fun is a secondary matter and one can only have fun when they are winning and not when they are losing.

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Quote from: Harlot on July 10, 2018, 02:51:41 PM

Nope. The expectation of winning is what makes gambling, gambling you cannot remove someone's mind that they are expected to win some few bets or so it doesn't make it an entertainment that way. Also I know anlot of people here have the mindset of considering their money lost already but I don't think the idea of winning some bets is removed from their minds. To keep it short the idea/expectation of winning is part of gambling and I don't think you can remove it from a gamblers' mindset.

You are in that regard that we cannot remove the idea of winning from our mind completely, but it's important to be prepared for losing your whole bankroll. We should ask ourselves, before starting, whether we will be still happy if we will lose what we have on the balance? And if the answers is yes, then we can start gambling.

I can assure you that there are other things than expectation of winning that make gambling attractive. Just today we were discussing in another thread that PornHub has opened their own online casino with live female dealers showing their boobs. I'm sure many of us would be still happy even if a game was lost.

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This theory might work for wealthy people, who never feel the need in anything. They, for sure, can play just for fun. But others, whether they want it or not - will have that inside feeling that they can earn a million right here right now and become rich, and this feeling is very difficult to get rid of.

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I mean, while it does sound realistic and some people do ACTUALLY just go to the casino to have some fun. It usually isn't that way for people, as people don't ENJOY losing money. People without a doubt enjoy winning, that's the 'high' that gamblers feel when they're winning and they always want to get back to that point. Even if a person starts out with doing it for fun, it may end up catastrophic when the person starts losing money -- and attempts to regain their losses.

Sounds amazing on paper and in theory, but this isn't something that the human mind can cope with.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on July 11, 2018, 01:31:06 AM

That’s the mindset responsible gamblers have. They spend a certain amount of money for entertainment, the same way they spend it when they go out to dinner or to the cinema. The difference is, they may go back home with more money, and that is the thrill that entertainment has.

I really wouldn't call too many people 'responsible gamblers' that has to be a VERY minute portion of the gambling community.

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That’s the mindset responsible gamblers have. They spend a certain amount of money for entertainment, the same way they spend it when they go out to dinner or to the cinema. The difference is, they may go back home with more money, and that is the thrill that entertainment has.

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