Donald Trump's stance on Bitcoin is changing - page 7.

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Quote from: Shishir99 on July 14, 2024, 04:41:14 AM

Not related to this thread, But Trump shot in the ear at Pennsylvania campaign rally, suspected gunman killed

Former United States President Donald Trump has been shot in the ear during a campaign rally in an attack that drew condemnation from leading Republicans and Democrats and is being investigated as an assassination attempt.

The shooting on Saturday streaked blood across Trump’s face and set off panic among the thousands of people attending the rally in the city of Butler in Pennsylvania.

Read more here https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/14/trump-doing-well-after-being-shot-in-right-ear-at-pennsylvania-rally
Now, people may suspect that the opposition party is doing everything to stop Trump. Who knows?

The assasinator and these people who might have supported this plan to kill Donald Trump have only given him the presidency. We can be very much certain that his ratings in the polls will pump very much similar to a memecoin with a very long green line to the moon hehehehehh. This is quite headshaking for Joe Biden and the Democrats. They have no more chance if they kill or imprison Trump. If they do these there will be civil war.

This picture will be included in history books.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on July 14, 2024, 07:33:11 AM

There are many conspiracy theories being discussed on many social platforms and it is not surprising that many Trump supporters suspect the Democratic Party of being the mastermind behind this assassination. But I don't think the Democratic Party or Biden are behind this because this will have huge consequences for American politics and if it fails, it will cause huge damage to the Democratic Party.

There have not been any announcements or disclosures related to Mr. Trump's assassination, but according to many news, the person who shot Mr. Trump was also a Republican but had donated to Biden.
All of this shows that US politics is too unstable and degenerate.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13632783/donald-trump-gunman-revealed-registered-republican.html

Conspiracy theories are going to be launched in an attempt to discredit the legitimacy of the attack, trying to drive public opinion to believe it was forged by Trump in collusion with his team to generate social commotion. It's part of the political strategy at this moment.

The fact the gunman is registered as a republican being heavily shared as an alibi for the Democrats, already display this strategy, while the most logical alternative is that the man disguised himself as a republican to have access to republican's events, so he could execute his plan.

Even if Democratic party isn't the mastermind behind the assassination attempt, the brainwashing they execute saying Trump is fascist, racist, misogynistic and every other labels they like gluing on others to leverage their own political interests, is indirectly responsible for the concept the most vulnerable individuals elaborate regards Trump.

Trump is just a politician like any other, with his own personal interests, agenda and greed for power. What differs one side from another are the methods used in the present time, although both are still sides of the same coin.

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Could just be lip service for all we know. A few years ago when he was on the seat of power, and back when bitcoin is arguably in its most important periods of presence Trump was adamant about banning it himself. Now all of a sudden he's seeing bitcoin as a worthy ally to combat "the federal government (which is him by the way) trying to take control of your money" when he himself got countless felony charges for being found to tamper with other people's finances one way or another?

I see this as another ploy to perhaps increase votes in his favor. He wanted to take all the bets he can take and if that would include the crypto bros who he hated the guts of so much in the past then it would be good for him. Makes him look like a changed man with updated opinions on the cryptocurrency titan compared to Sleepy Joe, and a bunch of other advantageous movements on his end.

While I will not be directly affected by all these poonani, since I'm living in the Philippines, I still hope the people from there get a really good president they can rely on.

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Quote from: Shishir99 on July 14, 2024, 04:41:14 AM

Not related to this thread, But Trump shot in the ear at Pennsylvania campaign rally, suspected gunman killed

Former United States President Donald Trump has been shot in the ear during a campaign rally in an attack that drew condemnation from leading Republicans and Democrats and is being investigated as an assassination attempt.

The shooting on Saturday streaked blood across Trump’s face and set off panic among the thousands of people attending the rally in the city of Butler in Pennsylvania.

Read more here https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/14/trump-doing-well-after-being-shot-in-right-ear-at-pennsylvania-rally
Now, people may suspect that the opposition party is doing everything to stop Trump. Who knows?

There are many conspiracy theories being discussed on many social platforms and it is not surprising that many Trump supporters suspect the Democratic Party of being the mastermind behind this assassination. But I don't think the Democratic Party or Biden are behind this because this will have huge consequences for American politics and if it fails, it will cause huge damage to the Democratic Party.

There have not been any announcements or disclosures related to Mr. Trump's assassination, but according to many news, the person who shot Mr. Trump was also a Republican but had donated to Biden.
All of this shows that US politics is too unstable and degenerate.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13632783/donald-trump-gunman-revealed-registered-republican.html

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 13, 2024, 12:17:30 AM

@pooya87. This is certainly because the team of Joe Biden knows that they are leading in the polls on the presidential candidacy as a Democrat. No one can replace him that will improve the Democrats' rating in the polls. However, Trump can be victorious against Biden. According to the latest news Elon Musk has donated a sizable amount to America PAC. This is a super PAC working to help Trump to become the next president.

Billionaire Elon Musk, who has been ramping up criticism of U.S. President Joe Biden, has donated to a political group working to elect rival presidential candidate Donald Trump, Bloomberg reported on Friday, citing sources.

The report did not indicate how much Musk donated but added it was "a sizable amount" given to a group called America PAC.

Bloomberg reported that the PAC - a group that can receive unlimited contributions for political activity - is next required to disclose its list of donors on July 15.

Read in full https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-donates-super-pac-working-elect-trump-bloomberg-reports-2024-07-12/

These days Musk is almost as big a a**clown as Trump is. Not surprising these losers flock together. They're both raving nuts.

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Not related to this thread, But Trump shot in the ear at Pennsylvania campaign rally, suspected gunman killed

Former United States President Donald Trump has been shot in the ear during a campaign rally in an attack that drew condemnation from leading Republicans and Democrats and is being investigated as an assassination attempt.

The shooting on Saturday streaked blood across Trump’s face and set off panic among the thousands of people attending the rally in the city of Butler in Pennsylvania.

Read more here https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/14/trump-doing-well-after-being-shot-in-right-ear-at-pennsylvania-rally
Now, people may suspect that the opposition party is doing everything to stop Trump. Who knows?

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@pooya87. This is certainly because the team of Joe Biden knows that they are leading in the polls on the presidential candidacy as a Democrat. No one can replace him that will improve the Democrats' rating in the polls. However, Trump can be victorious against Biden. According to the latest news Elon Musk has donated a sizable amount to America PAC. This is a super PAC working to help Trump to become the next president.

Billionaire Elon Musk, who has been ramping up criticism of U.S. President Joe Biden, has donated to a political group working to elect rival presidential candidate Donald Trump, Bloomberg reported on Friday, citing sources.

The report did not indicate how much Musk donated but added it was "a sizable amount" given to a group called America PAC.

Bloomberg reported that the PAC - a group that can receive unlimited contributions for political activity - is next required to disclose its list of donors on July 15.

Read in full https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-donates-super-pac-working-elect-trump-bloomberg-reports-2024-07-12/

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 30, 2024, 09:12:43 PM

@pooya87. We are speculating on what the Democrats might decide after witnessing Biden's performance on the debate against Trump. Before this was a different storyline. It also implies that the Democrats did not have a plan if Biden's memory loss will worsen.

From what I understand if they can't convince Biden to go away willingly, they're going to have a tough time replacing him and so far Biden doesn't want to go away and keeps telling everyone to get off his lawn Grin

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 28, 2024, 11:58:12 PM

@Abiky. You might be mistaken hehehe. Did you watch the debate? After this, it very much appears that it is Biden who is presently very desperate on convincing the people to get more votes. The debate has shown that he not anymore qualified to run as the president of America.

I predict that within 3 months, the Democrats will use Biden's memory problems as an excuse to choose another candidate for their campaign. They might also declare that Biden should be replaced as president.

Honestly, I didn't get the chance to watch the debate. But I've read on several news articles online that Biden's performance was terrible. He showed signs of cognitive decline all over the duration of the debate. Poor man. Democrats will desperately seek another candidate (replacement) to avoid losing their seat at the White House. That's for sure. I don't think Kamala Harris would be a strong contender.

I guess Mr. Trump has has a high chance of winning this election. With the oil and crypto industry behind him, what could go wrong? Perhaps, Bitcoin will turn bullish during the first year of Trump's second term as POTUS (2025). Only time will tell. The future is a mystery. So we can only hope for the best.

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@Iranus. I have heard different news with different storylines. Some speculations tell everyone that Biden will be replaced and other news tell everyone that the Democrats will continue their support for Biden. This might imply that the Democrats are very much confused.

@legendbtc. Very much similar to George Soros, Larry Fink is a supporter of the Democrats. This is not a rumor.

@pooya87. We are speculating on what the Democrats might decide after witnessing Biden's performance on the debate against Trump. Before this was a different storyline. It also implies that the Democrats did not have a plan if Biden's memory loss will worsen.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 28, 2024, 11:58:12 PM

@Abiky. You might be mistaken hehehe. Did you watch the debate? After this, it very much appears that it is Biden who is presently very desperate on convincing the people to get more votes. The debate has shown that he not anymore qualified to run as the president of America.

I predict that within 3 months, the Democrats will use Biden's memory problems as an excuse to choose another candidate for their campaign. They might also declare that Biden should be replaced as president.

If they wanted to replace him, they would have done it long ago when the signs of mental and physical deterioration became apparent. Long before United States became the laughing stock of the world specially when the al-Saud dictators who owe their very existence to US, started mocking him Cheesy

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-saudi-arabia-tv-comedy-sketch-kamala-harris-1697256

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 27, 2024, 10:19:55 PM

Quote from: legendbtc on June 26, 2024, 07:25:00 PM

Quote from: o48o on June 26, 2024, 07:08:17 AM

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Quote from: o48o on June 18, 2024, 08:20:39 AM

And don't forget that current framework for crypto regulations were accepted during 2019 when Trump was in office.

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I don't know any crypto investors who hate Trump and support Biden, but I thought you might know about the news that the Winklevoss twins donated $2 million to Mr. Trump's election campaign.
Do you think the first bitcoin investors were stupid to support Mr. Trump? Do you think they don't know what he did in the past with bitcoin? But why do they still support him and not Biden? They are investors from the US market and I believe they understand what is happening there better than us.

They also gave reasons why they supported Mr. Trump and not Biden on their X account, I think you should take the time to read to understand better why they decided to support Mr. Trump.

Just because people hate both parties, they might vote for lesser evil. And if you have at all read let's say r/cryptocurrency, or even this forum, there are lots of people loathing Trump. And i would say that in r/cryptocurrency, majority seems to NOT be on trump's side.

I also use reddit but not often, I know the r/cryptocurrency board has more than 8.2 million members but less than 1000 active members and there are also members who support Mr. Trump. Like bitcointalk, how many members do you think are from the US? Therefore, it can be said that the community at r/cryptocurrency and bitcointalk is not representative of the entire cryptocurrency industry or investors in the US. Meanwhile, it can be seen that top investors in the US are voting for Mr. Trump instead of the current administration.

In addition to the Winklevoss twins, recently Cathie Wood, CEO of Ark Invest, also said she plans to vote for Mr. Trump because of the US economy. And yet, billionaire Mark Cuban also thinks that Trump can win against President Biden thanks to cryptocurrency.

Rich or poor, they only have 1 vote and can only support 1 person, what I care about is that their vision will certainly be different and from there will create a different economy. Why do we also want to be rich but think the rich people's choices are wrong?

https://www.theblock.co/post/301370/ark-invest-ceo-cathie-wood-will-vote-for-trump
https://www.newsweek.com/mark-cuban-crypto-biden-sec-regulation-election-1913224

This Winklevoss twins, grandma Cathie Wood and baldman Brian Armstrong are nothing if we are talking about their support for Trump. What we should be very concerning for the people in the cryptospace who do not like to vote for Trump is the support of the new mayor of bitcoin Larry Fink. Who is this man supporting, Trump or Biden?

However, it is mentioned in some articles that Larry Fink has been a supporter of the Democratic party. It is very uncommon for these people to change their support to another party. But if he is silent, this might be a signal that he is not very confident on Biden as a candidate to support bitcoin and the cryptospace.

I haven't even heard any rumors about Larry Fink supporting the democratic party because as far as I know there are many billionaires or influential people who don't publicly support anyone, they don't want anyone to have anything to do with politics. But one thing we need to admit is that in yesterday's debate, neither of them mentioned cryptocurrencies.
By the way, if he really supports the Democratic Party, I hope Mr. Larry Fink watched yesterday's debate and made a final decision Cheesy

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In addition, according to some surveys, what American citizens care about most is prices, food prices, fuel prices, costs of buying or renting a house, crime...So votes from cryptocurrency cannot decide victory for anyone.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 28, 2024, 11:58:12 PM

@Abiky. You might be mistaken hehehe. Did you watch the debate? After this, it very much appears that it is Biden who is presently very desperate on convincing the people to get more votes. The debate has shown that he not anymore qualified to run as the president of America.

I predict that within 3 months, the Democrats will use Biden's memory problems as an excuse to choose another candidate for their campaign. They might also declare that Biden should be replaced as president.

After just one day, there were many rumors that the Democratic Party was considering finding a replacement for Mr. Biden after the debate with Mr. Trump. But as far as I know, that is impossible unless the Democratic Party can convince Mr. Biden to proactively give up the election and hand it over to someone else, but if he doesn't agree, there will be no other way.

In addition, there is another scenario of using the 25th Amendment to remove the president, and to do this requires the participation of the vice president and a majority of ministers in the cabinet.

In the latest news, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives called for consideration of removing President Biden from office by activating the 25th Amendment. I wouldn't be surprised if they do this, those who watched yesterday's debate will see that age is a huge issue for Mr. Biden.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2024/06/28/house-speaker-mike-johnson-says-bidens-cabinet-should-consider-invoking-25th-amendment/

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@Abiky. You might be mistaken hehehe. Did you watch the debate? After this, it very much appears that it is Biden who is presently very desperate on convincing the people to get more votes. The debate has shown that he not anymore qualified to run as the president of America.

I predict that within 3 months, the Democrats will use Biden's memory problems as an excuse to choose another candidate for their campaign. They might also declare that Biden should be replaced as president.

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Quote from: tortic25 on June 26, 2024, 07:17:27 PM

It's politics, just because he said or implied he would support bitcoin, doesn't mean his stance has changed. this is more common for candidates when running for their 2nd term, it's like that's the pandering phase, because once they're elected there's nothing forcing them to deliver. And imo if governments did support crypto it would start receiving even more regulation. Imagine any government that has a strong economy supporting something that's harder to tax. Which if the us government did officially support it, i think if any that would be the time it hits 1m$ which would be great for investors. but if it was even more heavily regulated, it wouldn't be any different from PayPal, cash app, etc. btc would lose what makes it special.

Trump seems desperate to gather votes. Especially when he also voiced his support for the oil industry. He wants to win no matter what. Typical of an average politician. What counts is what promises he keeps during his second term in office. IF he gets re-elected. We can't predict what will happen during Election Day.

Based on polls, it seems Trump has a leading margin over President Biden. What could stop Trump is if he's sentenced to prison by court. But the US constitution doesn't say anything about electing a convicted person. It is what it is. Regardless of who wins, nothing can stop Bitcoin from reaching new heights.

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Quote from: o48o on June 26, 2024, 07:08:17 AM

Quote from: legendbtc on June 22, 2024, 05:35:21 AM

Quote from: o48o on June 18, 2024, 08:20:39 AM

And don't forget that current framework for crypto regulations were accepted during 2019 when Trump was in office.

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I don't know any crypto investors who hate Trump and support Biden, but I thought you might know about the news that the Winklevoss twins donated $2 million to Mr. Trump's election campaign.
Do you think the first bitcoin investors were stupid to support Mr. Trump? Do you think they don't know what he did in the past with bitcoin? But why do they still support him and not Biden? They are investors from the US market and I believe they understand what is happening there better than us.

They also gave reasons why they supported Mr. Trump and not Biden on their X account, I think you should take the time to read to understand better why they decided to support Mr. Trump.

Just because people hate both parties, they might vote for lesser evil. And if you have at all read let's say r/cryptocurrency, or even this forum, there are lots of people loathing Trump. And i would say that in r/cryptocurrency, majority seems to NOT be on trump's side.

I also use reddit but not often, I know the r/cryptocurrency board has more than 8.2 million members but less than 1000 active members and there are also members who support Mr. Trump. Like bitcointalk, how many members do you think are from the US? Therefore, it can be said that the community at r/cryptocurrency and bitcointalk is not representative of the entire cryptocurrency industry or investors in the US. Meanwhile, it can be seen that top investors in the US are voting for Mr. Trump instead of the current administration.

In addition to the Winklevoss twins, recently Cathie Wood, CEO of Ark Invest, also said she plans to vote for Mr. Trump because of the US economy. And yet, billionaire Mark Cuban also thinks that Trump can win against President Biden thanks to cryptocurrency.

Rich or poor, they only have 1 vote and can only support 1 person, what I care about is that their vision will certainly be different and from there will create a different economy. Why do we also want to be rich but think the rich people's choices are wrong?

https://www.theblock.co/post/301370/ark-invest-ceo-cathie-wood-will-vote-for-trump
https://www.newsweek.com/mark-cuban-crypto-biden-sec-regulation-election-1913224

This Winklevoss twins, grandma Cathie Wood and baldman Brian Armstrong are nothing if we are talking about their support for Trump. What we should be very concerning for the people in the cryptospace who do not like to vote for Trump is the support of the new mayor of bitcoin Larry Fink. Who is this man supporting, Trump or Biden?

However, it is mentioned in some articles that Larry Fink has been a supporter of the Democratic party. It is very uncommon for these people to change their support to another party. But if he is silent, this might be a signal that he is not very confident on Biden as a candidate to support bitcoin and the cryptospace.

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Quote from: legendbtc on June 26, 2024, 07:25:00 PM

I also use reddit but not often, I know the r/cryptocurrency board has more than 8.2 million members but less than 1000 active members and there are also members who support Mr. Trump.

I bet of those 1000 active members:

* 200 of them are US citizens

Of those 200 US citizens:

* 110 will vote for Biden regardless of his stance on crypto regulations

* 90 will vote for Trump regardless of his stance on crypto regulations

This election is easily the most consequential in US history, determining whether the USA will remain a democracy or not. People aren't going to vote on silly things like their perceived crypto values.

People like the ones you mentioned above were clearly already going to vote for Trump since they are probably afraid of being imprisoned etc. and know that Trump will pardon criminals who pay him enough.

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Quote from: o48o on June 26, 2024, 07:08:17 AM

Quote from: legendbtc on June 22, 2024, 05:35:21 AM

Quote from: o48o on June 18, 2024, 08:20:39 AM

And don't forget that current framework for crypto regulations were accepted during 2019 when Trump was in office.

-cut-
I don't know any crypto investors who hate Trump and support Biden, but I thought you might know about the news that the Winklevoss twins donated $2 million to Mr. Trump's election campaign.
Do you think the first bitcoin investors were stupid to support Mr. Trump? Do you think they don't know what he did in the past with bitcoin? But why do they still support him and not Biden? They are investors from the US market and I believe they understand what is happening there better than us.

They also gave reasons why they supported Mr. Trump and not Biden on their X account, I think you should take the time to read to understand better why they decided to support Mr. Trump.

Just because people hate both parties, they might vote for lesser evil. And if you have at all read let's say r/cryptocurrency, or even this forum, there are lots of people loathing Trump. And i would say that in r/cryptocurrency, majority seems to NOT be on trump's side.

I also use reddit but not often, I know the r/cryptocurrency board has more than 8.2 million members but less than 1000 active members and there are also members who support Mr. Trump. Like bitcointalk, how many members do you think are from the US? Therefore, it can be said that the community at r/cryptocurrency and bitcointalk is not representative of the entire cryptocurrency industry or investors in the US. Meanwhile, it can be seen that top investors in the US are voting for Mr. Trump instead of the current administration.

In addition to the Winklevoss twins, recently Cathie Wood, CEO of Ark Invest, also said she plans to vote for Mr. Trump because of the US economy. And yet, billionaire Mark Cuban also thinks that Trump can win against President Biden thanks to cryptocurrency.

Rich or poor, they only have 1 vote and can only support 1 person, what I care about is that their vision will certainly be different and from there will create a different economy. Why do we also want to be rich but think the rich people's choices are wrong?

https://www.theblock.co/post/301370/ark-invest-ceo-cathie-wood-will-vote-for-trump
https://www.newsweek.com/mark-cuban-crypto-biden-sec-regulation-election-1913224

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It's politics, just because he said or implied he would support bitcoin, doesn't mean his stance has changed. this is more common for candidates when running for their 2nd term, it's like that's the pandering phase, because once they're elected there's nothing forcing them to deliver. And imo if governments did support crypto it would start receiving even more regulation. Imagine any government that has a strong economy supporting something that's harder to tax. Which if the us government did officially support it, i think if any that would be the time it hits 1m$ which would be great for investors. but if it was even more heavily regulated, it wouldn't be any different from PayPal, cash app, etc. btc would lose what makes it special.

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Quote from: o48o on June 26, 2024, 07:08:17 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 24, 2024, 09:16:07 PM

2. The SEC will create clear guidelines in what is an illegal security and what is a commodity.
3. They create new KYC rules because their old rules have been difficult for the people in the cryptospace.
4. They stop treating the Tornado Cash founders and other developers of privacy software very much like criminals.[/i]

2: It's literally their job now. How they are going to make it more clearer? You are hinting that there's an easy way for something as complex securities laws?
3: You mean FinCEN specifically? How are old rules difficult? That's literally just proof of identity and income.
4: I am not sure if they are prepared to tear up current world wide AML regulations. I am sure that trump would love to hide more of his money though.

Agreed that there are questions and there will also difficulties on implementation. I was only arguing that their sincerity towards procryptoness will only be seen if we begin witnessing these 4 occurrences from them.

In any case, there will be a debate tomorrow between these 2 candidates Trump and Biden hehehehe.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-v-8wJkmwBY

This will be live. I wish there will be a question on bitcoin and the cryptospace.

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