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September 30, 2014, 06:10:26 AM
I'm intrigued by the NATO thrust of your posts. Hmm. NATO is just a convenient excuse for many current events to rectify history, but when it comes down to it, it's not really a big threat (the "pussification" of the WEst, if you may). Europe is becoming a backwater and your tales of doom tend to focus on a backwater. And you had the chutzpah to even warn...  Wink

CLUE: Look at a more complete map & you'll see the European borders are just a SMALL corner of Russia. The bigger part is where the future is...

NATO isn't really a big threat?  Well then, you won't mind when Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan join us.   Cheesy

Of course NATO already has a billion people, millions of troops, thousands of nuclear missiles, and hundreds of submarines, so maybe you should.

I see you allude to the China card.  How predicable.  But futile, because we all know China wants Siberia much more than an unwinnable war with SEATO and NATO.   Wink

The only strategic advantage left is your gas exports, but that will be neutralized shortly as our LNG infrastructure is completed.   Grin

Sorry, but Russia will not be allowed to impose famine in Ukraine, tanks in Prague, or Iron Curtains in Germany ever again.

Russia's bad behavior resulted in the creation of the greatest military alliance in history, which has already crushed the Warsaw Pact and will soon complete its mission to burn, then bury Lenin's stinking corpse once and for all.   Cool

Hallelujah!!! Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!!
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September 30, 2014, 06:07:37 AM
I'm intrigued by the NATO thrust of your posts. Hmm. NATO is just a convenient excuse for many current events to rectify history, but when it comes down to it, it's not really a big threat (the "pussification" of the WEst, if you may). Europe is becoming a backwater and your tales of doom tend to focus on a backwater. And you had the chutzpah to even warn...  Wink

CLUE: Look at a more complete map & you'll see the European borders are just a SMALL corner of Russia. The bigger part is where the future is...

NATO isn't really a big threat?  Well then, you won't mind when Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan join us.   Cheesy

Of course NATO already has a billion people, millions of troops, thousands of nuclear missiles, and hundreds of submarines, so maybe you should.

I see you allude to the China card.  How predicable.  But futile, because we all know China wants Siberia much more than an unwinnable war with SEATO and NATO.   Wink

The only strategic advantage left is your gas exports, but that will be neutralized shortly as our LNG infrastructure is completed.   Grin

Sorry, but Russia will not be allowed to impose famine in Ukraine, tanks in Prague, or Iron Curtains in Germany ever again.

Russia's bad behavior resulted in the creation of the greatest military alliance in history, which has already crushed the Warsaw Pact and will soon complete its mission to burn, then bury Lenin's stinking corpse once and for all.   Cool
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September 30, 2014, 06:05:54 AM
When NATO is sitting directly on your entire European border, because your FSU neighbors rightfully fear that a Russia who refuses to acknowledge past atrocities and seems eager to repeat them, remember I warned you against these obnoxious attempts to revise history.



What about acknowledging the past atrocities committed by Georgia (Stalin/Djugashvili), Ukraine, the Baltic states.

By the way, in a way you are right: speaking of Ukraine as a separate from Russia entity makes as much sense as speaking of Gascogne as an entity separate from France. So past Ukrainian and Baltic atrocities go together with Russia, though thorough the CIA-styled social-egineered historical amnesia, these regions suddenly became completely separate entities, disconnected from their past history, over the course of the last 20 years.

About revising of history, you are a kettle calling the teapot. See my post about the 100th anniversary of the first commercial flight - a domestic flight St. Petersburg-Kiev, with an airplane built in Riga - to get a more realistic historical perspective:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/100th-anniversary-of-the-first-commercial-flight-stpetersburg-kiev-797183
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September 30, 2014, 06:01:53 AM
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Of course there always will be some set of unprovable basic statements. Entire math is built on the foundation of axioms.

Faith is necessary sometimes to choose the direction of study... For example, without faith there won't be nuclear reactors, solar panels and many other things. But faith is unable to replace the study itself.

P.S. I mean that this civilization could be destroyed by some other...

yes indeed, and ours is about to crash and burn because of zionists blind faith with their NWO crap. I'm just telling you, dont hate the poor christians and muslims, they have nothing to do with what is currently happening all around the world. Faith indeed allows progress, but its always been about religion anyway. The most important is just not to fall for the devil.

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September 30, 2014, 05:56:29 AM
Please hold these Putin speeches, I have a lunch now. Mentioning the conservative liberals isn't good for appetite. Cheesy
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September 30, 2014, 05:49:13 AM
Lol, you're so funny...  Grin

Why, thank you! Yer pretty fucking hilarious yourself, KKKomrade!
Is that all what you're capable to say?

You seem to be pre-programmed rather well, never truly deviating from the command parameters.

I will give the ex-Soviet system this much- they truly CREATED robots out of humans.

Rejecting the creed of your revolutionary forefathers does not ABSOLVE you of your sins.

You can give up your blood drenched idols and demonic war gods. There is still time.

You know not of what you speak.

Putin and Russia are one of the few remaining countries willing to stand up to the new world order, dollar hegemony and the global elite cabal that, among other things, started the civil war in ukraine, set off the MH17 and 9/11 false flags, and much more.
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September 30, 2014, 05:47:20 AM
hdbuck
Of course there always will be some set of unprovable basic statements. Entire math is built on the foundation of axioms.

Faith is necessary sometimes to choose the direction of study... For example, without faith there won't be nuclear reactors, solar panels and many other things. But faith is unable to replace the study itself.

P.S. I mean that this civilization could be destroyed by some other...
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September 30, 2014, 05:46:32 AM
Lol, you're so funny...  Grin

Why, thank you! Yer pretty fucking hilarious yourself, KKKomrade!
Is that all what you're capable to say?

You seem to be pre-programmed rather well, never truly deviating from the command parameters.

I will give the ex-Soviet system this much- they truly CREATED robots out of humans.

Rejecting the creed of your revolutionary forefathers does not ABSOLVE you of your sins.

You can give up your blood drenched idols and demonic war gods. There is still time.
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September 30, 2014, 05:36:38 AM
Well i consider myself ignorant compared to our great fathers and old testaments.
Religions are changing syncroniously with society. The modern christianity went far away from its 2000 years old origins. I don't see a reason why should we think that priest class is smarter than scientists or healthcare workers...

I agree, i dont follow all the selfish priests, i follow the basic principles. i read the old books, not the modern over-adapted preaches. It is a whole, not some parts to interpret in your advantage.


I believe in some collective amnesia when previous civilisations went down (for example the one that build pyramids from the middle east to asia or south america, gobekli tepe, the easter island, or even the atlantid myth or noa's arch, etc..).
If you wish to get rid of the people then physical elimination isn't enough. You need to erase all traces of their culture from existance, otherwise it could be resurrected and come to get a revenge. See Inca Empire for example, it was destroyed by spanish conquistadors in the same manner. We even have no idea about structure of their government or phylosophy... Because the most of evidences were destroyed to prevent the people from resurrecting their empire.

You miss my point, from Abraham to Noa or even the Atlandis, i believe there was another very advanced civilization by that time and that probably some global (biblical) cataclysme has whipped it out from our memory. The only thing left is our good old myths and texts, but it is not because we dont have physical proofs that they were nonetheless real. This is what i call over-rationalization. Seeking proofs for everything, even when it naturally fades away as time passes by on our beloved planet could be misleading in that way.


and i just dont want to fall in the trap of over rationalization and loosing what makes us human: our souls.
Our intelligence and logic are, in fact, foundation of our soul. Animals have no soul because they're not capable of making the difficult conclusions. They're simply reacting without estimation of the consequences.

We are inteligent but i dont believe that it is all what we are. Come on, i mean, possibilities are infinite, even the big bang theory has suggested that there was something else. What about the biogenesis regarding the theory of evolution, what made the very first living cell possible? Are we alone in the universe? Lets stop fooling ourselves with our over-confindence thinking we understand everything and that what we dont is pure fantasy. We are all too much self orientated, with our little disputes, killing each other in the names of politicians, or even god, but this is just BS. Have some faith. Wink
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September 30, 2014, 05:29:08 AM
Lol, you're so funny...  Grin

Why, thank you! Yer pretty fucking hilarious yourself, KKKomrade!
Is that all what you're capable to say?
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September 30, 2014, 05:28:48 AM

When NATO is sitting directly on your entire European border, because your FSU neighbors rightfully fear that a Russia who refuses to acknowledge past atrocities and seems eager to repeat them, remember I warned you against these obnoxious attempts to revise history.




I'm intrigued by the NATO thrust of your posts. Hmm. NATO is just a convenient excuse for many current events to rectify history, but when it comes down to it, it's not really a big threat (the "pussification" of the WEst, if you may). Europe is becoming a backwater and your tales of doom tend to focus on a backwater. And you had the chutzpah to even warn...  Wink

CLUE: Look at a more complete map & you'll see the European borders are just a SMALL corner of Russia. The bigger part is where the future is...




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September 30, 2014, 05:25:09 AM
Lol, you're so funny...  Grin

Why, thank you! Yer pretty fucking hilarious yourself, KKKomrade!
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September 30, 2014, 05:21:15 AM

If you wish to get rid of the people then physical elimination isn't enough. You need to erase all traces of their culture from existance, otherwise it could be resurrected and come to get a revenge.


Wow, you KKKremlin boys REALLY got that down pat!

Tell me, is this what you are doing to the Crimean Tatars?

What you tried to do to the Poles/Ukrainians/Baltics?
Lol, you're so funny baby... Please don't stop getting quotes out of the context, that's all what you can do. Grin
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September 30, 2014, 05:16:25 AM
If you wish to get rid of the people then physical elimination isn't enough.
You need to erase all traces of their culture from existance,
otherwise it could be resurrected and come to get a revenge.


Wow, you KKKremlin boys REALLY got that down pat!

Tell me, is this what you are doing to the Crimean Tatars?

What you tried to do to the Poles/Ukrainians/Baltics?

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September 30, 2014, 05:15:55 AM
Icebreaker, in your citation of Lenin, where does he say it applies to "Ukraine only"?

Also, first you say that you'd take a testimony of a Ukrainian and not some Russian, and once I offer you an option of such testimony, you swipe it aside and say you will go by Solzhenicin's words, who is Russian.

Who said anything about "Ukraine only?"  That is just your attempt to muddy the waters by quibbling over details, not an actual quote.

Outside of the Moscowsphere, it is common knowledge shared by all (but especially Soviet dissidents like A.S. and Soviet victims like Ukrainians) that Lenin targeted the "kulak" farmers of several countries, which ultimately led to the mass murder by starvation of millions in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and other Soviet Republics.

When NATO is sitting directly on your entire European border, because your FSU neighbors rightfully fear that a Russia who refuses to acknowledge past atrocities and seems eager to repeat them, remember I warned you against these obnoxious attempts to revise history.

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September 30, 2014, 05:13:01 AM
Now you are psychoanalyzing me?
Didn't even started... And not interested in that, actually.

That's a Marxist tactic, which is used to pathologize disagreement and avoid honest debate.
See your own messages and you will find a real marxist tactic there.

and avoid honest debate
There is no honest debate possible while one side has no idea about the subject. I'm sorry, but it's a fact... You're constantly confusing the events from very different times and ignoring every my attempt to explain that. And it's not the only issue here.

Have a nice day, I let you to consider yourself as the "winner".
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September 30, 2014, 05:04:01 AM
Well i consider myself ignorant compared to our great fathers and old testaments.
Religions are changing syncroniously with society. The modern christianity went far away from its 2000 years old origins. I don't see a reason why should we think that priest class is smarter than scientists or healthcare workers...

I believe in some collective amnesia when previous civilisations went down (for example the one that build pyramids from the middle east to asia or south america, gobekli tepe, the easter island, or even the atlantid myth or noa's arch, etc..).
If you wish to get rid of the people then physical elimination isn't enough. You need to erase all traces of their culture from existance, otherwise it could be resurrected and come to get a revenge. See Inca Empire for example, it was destroyed by spanish conquistadors in the same manner. We even have no idea about structure of their government or philosophy... Because the most of evidences were destroyed to prevent the people from resurrecting their empire.

and i just dont want to fall in the trap of over rationalization and loosing what makes us human: our souls.
Our intelligence and logic are, in fact, the foundation of our soul. Animals have no soul because they're not capable of making the difficult conclusions. They're simply reacting without any estimation of the consequences.
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September 30, 2014, 05:01:11 AM




NATO was not really sleeping, it was busy attacking small states in Africa & the Middle East... It even lost in Afghanistan & Iraq, btw...

It just confirms its now accepted weakness by admitting it was Putin which woke it up...

 Wink

forgive me but I can see your viewpoint on current European realities somewhat outdated. You rely on cliches... sad to say...





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September 30, 2014, 04:56:28 AM
iCEBREAKER, Reacting is your problem... Reacting is always easier than thinking, even monkey or cat is capable of reacting. You choose an easier way, but it seems funny because humanity learned to think only after millions of years of simple reacting. It's interesting to observe such case of voluntary degradation. Roll Eyes

It's better to get rid of reactionary way while it's not too late.

Now you are psychoanalyzing me?   Roll Eyes  That's a Marxist tactic, which is used to pathologize disagreement and avoid honest debate.  Let's stick to the facts, please.

I've backed up my claim (that Ukrainians have good reason to blame/resent Moscow for their troubles) with two irrefutable primary sources:

1) Alexander Solzhenitsyn - he served in the gulag with Ukrainians and understands the sources and depth their "grudge"
2) Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov - his own written words call for the extermination of the "kulak" farmers, which let to unthinkable tragedy

It's time for reactionary Russians to stop their attempts to whitewash the crimes of the USSR and stop taking personally their neighboring countries well-founded fears of domination by Moscow.

Bury the disgusting corpse of Lenin and cease worshiping him as a secular saint.  Rejoice with the rest of humanity when his (and Stalin's) statues are toppled by those whose ancestors were murdered, exiled, and otherwise oppressed by their totalitarianism.

This is not "occidental" propaganda; your Orthodox Slavic cousins in many countries, from Czech to Ukraine, agree he and his Soviet Empire are evil creatures best damned to Hell and not reflexively defended with well meaning but offensive historical revisionism.

I am happy the Russian speaking provinces have been able to vote for their desire to return to Russia, and hope a solution can be found to the difficult problems of that region.

However, if Putin overplays his hand the maneuver will backfire and we may find his nightmare of Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, and the other FSU states joining the EU, etc. coming true sooner than later...  Wink



Truth from a UKRAINIAN, not a poison spewing pro-Kremlin latter day FASCIST.

Are Russian Federation people uptight because THEY LOST against the WEST? (Talk about collapsing empires!)

I suppose the weaker minded would develop a psychological complex of inferiority.


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September 30, 2014, 04:39:40 AM
I dont see religions such as islam or christianism as mental disfunctions
I think that any unconditional belief is a sign of mental disfunction. Any Human should use his brain to make logical conclusions, to think about consequences of own choices etc. The problem is that the most of "bitcoiners" have no idea that unconditional choice between fiat & bitcoin won't change anything.

they are good humanist religions deep down, with a very peaceful message
There are no peaceful Abrahamic religions. Followers of judaism, islam or christianity could be peaceful though. Not because of their religion, but simply because they were initially peaceful and intelligent people.

Well i consider myself ignorant compared to our great fathers and old testaments. I believe in some collective amnesia when previous civilisations went down (for example the one that build pyramids from the middle east to asia or south america, gobekli tepe, the easter island, or even the atlantid myth or noa's arch, etc..).  It is true that we are lucky with all that technology and innovation, but our civilisation is rather young and clueless, and i just dont want to fall in the trap of over rationalization and loosing what makes us human: our souls.
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