Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 130. (Read 734725 times)

ruSSians fires at Ukraine's army from a residential block opposite Donetsk airport old terminal b4 entering w/ T72s

I've heard less,but maybe this is true

I didn't say that. You are honourable man

Germans. Is this the same German army which, at the moment, has only 42 working Typhoons (out of 109), 39 Tornadoes (out of 85) and 10 Eurocopter Tigers (out of 31)? Also, barely half of the armoured vehicles is operational. At least that's what their defense minister Ursula von der Leyen reported. If they were in the place of Ukrainians, Bundeswehr would get their asses kicked so hard they wouldn't know what happened to them. Ukraine, even in this tragicomical state, is like a superpower compared to German army.

New shelling of Kievan-region of Donetsk city. A school was destroyed. No children were inside at the time of bombing, but Russian-language teacher was killed by the shells.

The outskirts of Mariupol were also shelled by Kiev-supported forces today as well.

Shelling of Donetsk residential areas inadmissible — EU foreign policy chief
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/752720

At least 1,300 people missing in Donetsk Republic
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/752761

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There are reports that a humanitarian convoy, consisting of 100 trucks was dispatched from Germany. The convoy was not ratified by the German government and its content is unknown, which begs that OCSE and Red Cross should inspect it. If it's really humanitarian aid, well done, Germany, better late than never!

http://ria.ru/world/20141004/1026925065.html

Normandy landings were an OP, not a war. Even a country who would lost a war can mount a successful operation. Also even a Victor could fail an ops...just see the Allied failure with Market Garden in WWII.
Majority of Journalists & Editors words are cheap and often totally crap.

You're wasting breath on losers.

Here's what a German editor commented:


The American tendency to verbal and then also military escalation, the isolation, demonization, and attacking of enemies has not proven effective. The last successful major military action the US conducted was the Normandy landing. Everything else – Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan – was a clear failure.

http://www.handelsblatt.com/meinung/kommentare/essay-in-englisch-the-west-on-the-wrong-path/10308406.html


  

That "civilian" TV station was being run by a good buddy of Slobo's and used to broadcast propaganda.  That made it a legit target.

As mentioned in the quote, a LOCAL court found him guilty of keeping civilians working there, even though he knew it would be bombed.

You may nit-pick NATO's performance all you like, but the fact is the Serbian Army was not able to keep Slobo out of the Hauge's kangaroo court (where he mounted a virtuoso defense much better than his military's).

But let's get back to the present, where NATO has released the HUNds...

http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/ukraine/bundesregierung-vor-entsendung-von-kampftruppen-38003142.bild.html



Those guys look very capable of pinpointing targets of interest.

*inB4 myshownow says they will freeze to death in notorious Russian Winter^TM!  *

^^ I think you're vastly overestimating NATO's capabilities to detect and pinpoint military (and other) targets of interest, other than buildings and infrastructure. Prior to attack, NATO made it very clear that their goal was to cripple Yugoslav army - in which they failed big time. "Human shields" you're mentioning were sad, but isolated incidents rather than common practice (apparently, we can agree on that), and this cannot be used as an excuse for NATO's incompetence.

Btw, bombing that civilian TV station is just one point on the long list of NATO's war crimes. I find it quite ironical how it turned out that we should blame the guy who did not evacuate the personnel, and not those who actually killed them. Was anyone in NYC put on trial because the second WTC tower hadn't been evacuated in timely manner?

Yes, the KLA sucks and Serbia had every right to root them out.  How many times do I have to say I disagree with NATO's aggression?

However, I will trust the Albanian survivors of the Korisa bombing to know who "set them up" to die for the sake of making NATO look bad.

Just because NATO was wrong doesn't mean that the Serbs didn't have a bunch of assholes among them as well!


The honorable soldiers of the Army did not have an Official Policy of using human shields; it was hard-line Milosevic supporters who were responsible.  EG:


Do you see what happens when you question my command of the facts?  You get flattened like Grosny!   

This is B.S.
Yugoslav army did not use civilians as human shields that's NATO propaganda and lie
KLA is terrorist organisation claim by UN resolution 1160 in 1998.
During the war (1999.), the KLA troops collaborated with the NATO troops, and they were qualified by NATO as "freedom fighters"


Where is malaysian plane MH370

PUTIN THE GREAT

92% Approval Rating in the World's Richest Country, China


Why The Chinese Admire "Putin The Great"

As The Wall Street Journal's Jeremy Page writes, In the recommended-reading section of Beijing's Wangfujing bookstore, staff members have no doubt which foreign leader customers are most interested in: President Vladimir Putin, or "Putin the Great" as some Chinese call him. (NOTE: The Wall Street Journal is a Zionist paper so they must have finally realized their hard stance s not convincing anybody, they change tactics)

    Books on Mr. Putin have been flying off shelves since the crisis in Ukraine began, far outselling those on other world leaders, sales staff say. One book, "Putin Biography: He is Born for Russia," made the list of top 10 nonfiction best sellers at the Beijing News newspaper in September.

      China's fascination with Mr. Putin is more than literary, marking a shift in the post-Cold War order and in Chinese politics. After decades of mutual suspicion—and one short border conflict—Beijing and Moscow are drawing closer as they simultaneously challenge the U.S.-led security architecture that has prevailed since the Soviet collapse, diplomats and analysts say.

     The former rivals for leadership of the Communist world also increasingly share a brand of anti-Western nationalism that could color President Xi Jinping's view of the pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong. Beijing accuses Western governments of stirring unrest there, much as Mr. Putin blamed the West for the pro-democracy protests in Kiev that began late last year.

     Russia has begun portraying the Hong Kong protests, too, as U.S.-inspired. Russian state-controlled television channels this week claimed that Hong Kong protest leaders had received American training.

Support for Putin is extremely widespread in China...

    The Pew Research Center says China is one of the few countries where popular support for Russia has risen since Moscow's confrontation with the West over Ukraine—rising to 66% in July from 47% a year earlier.

     A poll by In Touch Today, an online news service run by China's Tencent Holdings Ltd., put Mr. Putin's approval rating at 92% after Russia annexed Crimea in March. (NOTE: The Crimea independence & annexation by Russia is very popular in China)

"Putin and Xi Jinping are quite similar," says Yu Bin, an expert on China-Russia relations at Wittenberg University in Ohio. The leaders are from the same generation—they are both 61—and both want to re-establish their countries as world powers and challenge Western dominance following periods of perceived national humiliation.

    "Putin's personality is impressive—as a man, as a leader. Chinese people find that attractive. He defends Russia's interests," says Zhao Huasheng, an expert on China-Russia relations at Shanghai's Fudan University. "Russia and China can learn a lot from each other."

     It is partly realpolitik. Russia needs China's market and capital, especially as Western sanctions over Ukraine bite, the analysts say, while Beijing sees Moscow as a source of diplomatic support and vital energy resources.

     The countries concluded a long-awaited deal in May for Russia to supply $400 billion of gas to China over 30 years. They have forged agreements to build a railway bridge over their common border and an ice-free port in Russia's far east. They have also unveiled plans to set up ground stations on each other's land for their satellite global-positioning navigation systems.

     Also driving the realignment is rapport between Mr. Putin and Mr. Xi, whose leadership increasingly resembles his Russian counterpart's charismatic nationalist authoritarianism.

Various Chinese authors have written extensive best-sellers on the Russian President:

    Liu Xiaohu, the 28-year-old author of another biography, "Putin's Iron Fist," which came out this year, says many young Chinese feel frustrated by what they see as their government's failure to respond to past foreign provocations, such as the U.S. bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999.

      "It's not that Chinese people instinctively want or need a strong leader: It's that the country needs one at this period of time," he says.

     Zheng Wenyang, the 30-year-old author of "He is Born for Russia," says the biography, which came out in 2012, has sold far more copies than his earlier works on Barack Obama, Margaret Thatcher and Nelson Mandela.

     He says Mr. Putin's popularity, while inflated by glowing reports in Chinese state media, feeds off a deeply held conviction in Chinese society: "If a leader is weak and allows himself to be bullied, then people won't respect him."

     Russia's pushback against Western-leaning governments in Georgia in 2008 and more recently Ukraine has been popular in China. Some say Beijing should draw lessons from those experiences as it jostles for control over waters in the East and South China seas with the U.S., Japan, Philippines and Vietnam.

     "Putin is a bold and decisive leader of a great power, who's good at achieving victory in a dangerous situation," said Maj. Gen. Wang Haiyun, a former military attaché to Moscow, in an interview with the Chinese website of the Global Times newspaper.

      "These features are worthy of our praise and learning. Russia has been a great world power for hundreds of years and a superpower in the bi-polar order: It's much more skilled than us at playing great power games."

Finally, not everyone is excited about the newly found kinship between the two nations...

    Some Chinese experts argue that China risks damaging its relationships with the U.S. and the European Union, still its biggest trading partners. Moscow's and Beijing's interests aren't always aligned.

     New tensions could arise over China's expanding influence in Central Asian lands that once were part of the Soviet Union, and over Russian arms sales to India and Vietnam, neighbors of China that have boundary disputes with it.(NOTE: The Zionist press can't help itself, it always has a hidden agenda, you see their sly sowing of intrigues here- their vaunted "Divide And Conquer" method)

     Still, some analysts say that by staying out of the way in Ukraine, Beijing has ensured that Moscow will remain neutral over China's flaring territorial disputes in Asia. And for the moment, both sides have an interest in playing up the merits of their governance models.

The bottom line - if you're going to be isolated from the world, you would do a lot worse than have China as your friend... and both Moscow and Washington know that only too well.

(I took this from Zerohedge, which took it from the Anglo-Zionist paper, Wall Street Journal)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/why-chinese-admire-putin-great

Nothing? For two months, the CIA, the Akademi & POlish fighters helped their Ukrainian slaves in their genocide in Donbass but they did not see anything, but they only saw (or claimed to see, anyway) there were Russians when they began to be encircled & annihilated?

Of course, retrospectively, it's clear that was done only to assuage their humiliation and very big defeat - imagine the CIA director coming to direct the NATO operation & they were defeated by miners & farmers. 

The NSA technician must have been laughing his head off thinking about that tears clouded his eyes he saw nothing...

 

I already said I disagree with the illegal NATO aggression.  You don't need be belabor that uncontested point with repetitive blahblahblah about things we both already know.

NATO could hurt the Yugoslav army just fine, even only from the air and without ground troops.  Nothing is "invisible" to the combination of NSA satellites, Navy drones, USAF spy planes, and other sources like Army SIGINT and local CIA assets.  The problem was the Albanians being used as human shields created a PR nightmare when their corpses got on TV.  The decision to minimize the visible mess of sympathy-inducing dead patriotic Johnny Serb yokels was a political one, not one of military necessity.

Speaking of war crimes, concealing/protecting military stuff using civilian camouflage is also a no-no.

@myshownow  "It's clear there is no stopping China & Russia in creating the new world's financial system"

I strongly support this new system and hope that finally ruSSians will be a small minority in Chinese country

«Haфтoгaз» и Statoil дoгoвopилиcь o пocтaвкax гaзa
Пoдpoбнee нa эти тeмы пoгoвopим c aвтopoм cтaтьи o «Cилe Cибиpи», пapтнёpoм кoнcaлтингoвoй кoмпaнии RusEnergy Mиxaилoм Кpyтиxиным. Oн y нac в гocтяx.

http://rbctv.rbc.ru/archive/main_news/562949992536841.shtml

Just for laughs...

The color revolution in Hong Kong flopped. The Western propaganda machine was revved up simultaneously hoping this will be the one to spread to China and be another Tienanmen  that could topple its government this time... all the Western Zionist papers had it in their headlines you could almost taste their desperation, they really saturated their propaganda outlets ... then... pfft... Did you notice the headlines were suddenly relegated to Page 2 as if they were ashamed they again failed?

The last hope  of the Anglo-Zionist to use color revolutions in stopping China's ascent is obviously gone. What they did not mention was that it was the Hong Kong people themselves who shooed away the "rallyists" from 4 of the 5 points of aggrupation so the "rallyists" were forced into just one place where they were just put into their place and patronized. The Chinese know they are now the richest in the world and they were not in the mood to be seen played around by the machinations of the bankrupt Western countries which they know are collapsing...

The failures of the Anglo-Zionist empire are now really coming in torrents... The economic power is steadily collapsing, its military after the Normandy landing has failed in all its wars- Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine (okay, except in small countries like Panama, Mali, and other small places too corny to write here)... Color revolutions are its only hoped of subverting its enemies but one by one they failed... Turkey, Venezuela, Iran, even the Maidan is a failure actually, Taiwan ... then the biggest of all,  its last card on China has failed...

But an old woman can always talk nonstop if she doesn't get her way. Yup, propaganda is the only thing left... But... the Westernn propaganda press is bankrupt because nobody s buying them anymore, they are the only ones reading their rubbish...

Bye, bye!  

It's clear there is no stopping China & Russia in creating the new world's financial system...

 

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I don't think that the light damage to Yugoslav army was intentional, it's more like that NATO had tremendous difficulties to locate military targets in all those forests, hills, mountains and canyons. Balkans is not exactly a flat barren desert like Iraq where it's easy to detect, for example, a tank on 20 kilometers.

Truth is that after the first month of bombing, NATO realized that it cannot hurt Yugoslav army. It was still down there, invisible, mostly intact, and ready to fight. As the ground invasion was not an option due to expected high losses, decision was made to switch to what can be seen and destroyed - industry and civilian infrastructure, both of which suffered catastrophic damage in months to come. This was a blatant violation of the Geneva Convention and massive war crime, for which no one from NATO has ever been found guilty because, as we should all know by now, International law is dead corpse - if not sooner, NATO definitely killed it in Yugoslavia.

Intercept Reveals How Separatist Leader Plans with Moscow Reporter to Spin the Story of ICRC Worker's Death:

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-228-the-battle-for-donetsk-airport-continues/#4515

I meant "client state" in the military, not political sense.  Despite their non-aligned government, Serbian defense forces used Russian SAM, MiGs, and radar in the conflict.

NATO demonstrated it was not "asleep" or "toothless" and the light damage to Yugoslav army equipment was intentional (the death of the Albanian human shields looked bad on TV).  NATO had been waiting a long time to use their fancy new toys and prove they would work in a real war, albeit against a weak regime which posed no threat to member countries.

They also 'accidentally' blew up the Chinese Embassy, showing Beijing that their sneaky interference in the Anglosphere will not be tolerated. 

Donetsk is Russia?