Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 155. (Read 734725 times)

 

I see that the Russian propagandists have been given new instructions. They are no longer bothering to deny the presence of Russian troops and aggression on Ukrainian soil. The new tactic is intimidation.

They are not even trying to hide their actual intentions. The casualties, resulted from the indiscriminate shelling of the residential areas is only part of the plan. For every 10 or 20 people killed as a result of the Kiev shelling, they know that 1,000 or 2,000 will flee their homes and seek refuge in Russia. And that is their master-plan. Scare away the original inhabitants, so that the Nazis from Lvov and Ternopol could replace them.

Typical nazi justification. The same argument used to defend the war crime atrocities done by Israel against Gaza.

The truth is that the Ukraine army fires at residential areas because as they are losing the war and it is done in vengeance.. they have no other recourse. Also, it heavily demoralizes the NAF troops to witness such death. Furthermore, the civilian population does not need to be in Donetsk for when they start fracking all those Trillions of $ worth of shale gas. They don't want the people to be there anyway, since a lot of them are pro-russian.

They fire randomly into the city, in the obvious attempt to kill as many people as possible. It's not like they fire directly at militia positions that just happened to be next to a school.

When the NAF attacked mariupol, they tried very hard to avoid causing needless civilian casualties. But some still died anyway. I guess you could say the Ukraine army there were using human shields also?

Such a worthless, hypocritical argument.

But go on, keep defending the ethnic cleansing and war crime atrocities being committed in Donbass.

Very good... I think they should bomb Mariupol too...

Russia & China have a nice team-up but it seems China has a more aggressive style. China just pounce & if you criticize it, it criticizes back then does its thing anyway.

After the US declared a "Pivot to Asia" due to the rise of China, the Philippines gave the Americans basing rights again(their Senate expelled them before), but China simply occupied a disputed atoll and turned it into an airport. SO the Philippine-American alliance became a joke because it failed to stop China anyway. ARe the Filipinos angry? WEll, the Filipinos know China is already richer than the US so they are hedging their bets, they are simply waiting for the present government to finish its term. Of course, just like in Ukraine, the CIA has these trolls who are very angry in forums but Filipinos don't even bother attending rallies against China so people are simply indifferent. Remember, the Philippines is the ONLY country that was ever truly colonized by America, so if America can't stop a Philippine atoll from becoming a Chinese airport, how can it stop Russia from doing anything in Ukraine or in the Baltics?

Russia has a stronger military than China... And the Western propaganda press failed to demonize China because everybody has had enough of them, nobody reads them anyway.

I think, Russians give too much leeway to the games of the bankrupt EU states. Remember, these countries are past their prime, they are on their way out, so it's time to introduce new methods of doing things. It may not tally with their old script, but their script is already outdated, time to introduce other ways of doing things...


BTW I have some straightforward views on "rectifications" in the Post-Soviet space but the bigger war is the effort of Russia & China to create a multipolar world by de-dollarization & other non-war maneuvers & I think, they are succeeding, but a more concrete action on the former Soviet states are almost imperative AT THE PROPER TIME

The rockets from the NAS that hit the airport are coming from inside the city.
Why are the launchers located there?

I remember Putin wanted Ukrainian troops away from the towns and cities but the rebels can stay there and use human shields with no problem .

Typical double standards.

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The Ukies purposely target markets and other residential, commerce-related areas in Donetsk. They show no compassion to anyone.

The Ukrainian troops at the Donetsk airport have been shelling the citizens of Donetsk for weeks. They are responsible for dozens, if not hundreds of civilian casualties amongst the Donetsk population.

But I guess you don't care about that?

All of the Ukie troops at the airport deserve to burn. Every last one. May they rest in peace.

Peace loving pro russian forces in action.
Also I am happy to see you as a supporter of destruction and conflict.

I'll drink some champagne when a bomb hits your hut ,let's see then if you're so eager to see rockets flying.

The NAF is now leveling every square inch of the Donetsk Airport using Grad rockets. Earlier, there were artillery attacks towards the Donetsk city residential areas from the Airport. Casualties were reported in that attack, and the NAF seems to be pretty pissed off with it. Eyewitness reports indicate that the whole area is burning as a result of the attack.

You seem to be jealous.  You can have him...

myshownow and pagan, you both make a good team...

Hey, Pagan, nice you're back again. You seem exuberant, you have a large post- nice hunting, eh? Still giddy?

Who did your gowns by the way?

LOL, so I see you got your article from a future Russian. I actually think, it's time that Russia should get serious and get the Baltics again. I know it will be a walkover , no big challenge, but it would be nice to bring down these psychos from their delusions of grandeur. It's a little corny watching ants pretend they are elephants.

The world is fast changing, these delusionals think the status quo is still the 1990's post-USSR. They have no idea they are on the wrong side of history.

The bankrupt Anglo-Zionist empire is so hated anybody against them is a hero. Russia can do anything, the world will always applaud it. So the Russians should take note of that fact. The whole Western propaganda press was useless in an angry world. Russia has the license to do anything because it is seen as the hero, the world will always applaud it...


 

That old, familiar pattern: Russian invasion of Ukraine

Written by Rokiškis Rabinovičius, kindly translated from Lithuanian by Martynas Klimas

It all started from people rising up against Viktor Yanukovitch rather than any actions undertaken by Russia. Maybe this inverse was what made people miss the old Russian invasion pattern appear in Ukraine. Or was it because we were used to seeing the pattern develop from the other side?The pattern is old, having undergone first trials about a century ago. As time went by, it was refined, well drilled into everyone’s mind, until it was finally made into a set of standard invasion plans. A whole systemic methodology of invading other countries that, when the time came, only required minor adaptations.

Talks that Vladimir Putin is waging info war like no one has done before are, at best, naïve. He is not creating anything new or revolutionary; Putin is barely taking the well drilled KGB invasion plan and adapting it to current needs. Those methods are a dead ringer to the best hits of USSR invasions.

The entire thing is usually done under the cover of standard bullshit. It all goes through several structural channels: leftist commie cells from around the world, official soviet press and through various press offices in Moscow that publish left and right, trying to pass off their bullshit as something that the locals wrote themselves. In the good old days, newspapers printed in Moscow were presented as supposedly printed somewhere else. Today, the same things goes on the Internet.

We have to pay attention to the real thing: the invasion pattern. A series of events that happen concurrently with a Bolshevik invasion. Then we see, time and time again, a same pattern emerge with only the slightest of adaptations.

The Pattern of Soviet Invasion

The pattern was first spotted in 1918-1920, when Soviet Russia only started building the USSR: that’s when communists first started fabricating supposedly local revolutionary movements out of the members of lumpen-proletariat**. Said movements would put on appearances of a local government, but in reality, it was the Red Army that would invade, put the necessary people in power, shoot the rest, squash dissent and call it a day. The message would be, of course, that it was the work of a local uprising. That’s how the first pseudostates that later joined the USSR – the Soviet Socialist Republics of Transcaucasia (Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia), Ukraine and Belarus – were created.


Africa: anti-fascist fighters, having risen up and nabbed a tank from a local junta, are charging forth to protect whatever local innocents could be found. Sounds familiar?

Similar scenarios (also involving the creation of non-existent soviet governments) were attempted in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, with further plans for Poland. In Lithuania, this was done by creating the litbel (Lithuanian-Belarussian SSR), headed by one Vincas Kapsukas. We all know how little it had to do with reality: it was, in truth, the same scenario where a band of local thugs and commies propped up by the RA try to act like people’s government. It must be noted that if not for the Polish beating back the reds, Lithuania might have been joined with the USSR.

The first successful case of incorporating a country that didn’t use to be a part of the Russian Empire happened in 1921. The Bolsheviks put on show where the local Mongolian government and military fought, well, some other government. While the incursion of the Red Army was obvious, it was shown as actions of local forces that were only helped by the Bolsheviks.

The start of the Spanish Civil war in 1936 let them try the model in a more far off country. While the war started without the influence of the USSR, it was quick to try old tricks in new lands. Companies of communist sympathizers were organized, equipment (hundreds and thousands of planes, tanks and artillery) and military forces were supplied. NKVD advisors went south to lend their expertise to the republican forces. Formally the USSR took part in the weapon embargo and claimed not to have sent any troops. The ones in Spain were supposed to be volunteers organized by the communist parties of various other countries. A fun bit of trivia: allegedly there were only a few thousand of USSR citizens in those brigades, but some say that every other French volunteer spoke Russian.

The model of “export revolution” is much more obvious in the Spanish Civil War: local thugs and politicos, troops from the USSR, communist cells, supply of weapons, all under the guise of a local uprising and constant denials. Today, it looks like a flawed method that lacked in execution, but the effort was there.

The Winter War in Finland was a markedly more mature case and the pattern is much close to the one we would see later on. A ‘local’ government that created the Karelo-Finnish SSR, massive forces of RA that tried to pass as local fighters… Even humanitarian aid for the children of Helsinki! It was dropped by humanitarian planes and in humanitarian bombs, such was the Vyacheslav Molotov’s novel way of bread delivery. The Finnish were so happy that they developed the Molotov cocktail to go with all that ‘aid’. As you see, the pattern grows stronger.

A more prominent and successful case standardized soviet invasion could be seen in the second attempt to apply the pattern to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Local bandits and politicos were once again building the soviet government while enjoying the full support of the Red Army. The main difference is that all the bandits were put in places of power by applying political pressure and thus avoiding a long military confrontation. But what if those countries had managed to put up a resistance? Well, in that case, revolutions would have bloomed, their ranks swelling with enthusiastic locals (who don’t speak the language), and arming with ‘miraculously’ appearing weapons.

After the World War II, the pattern appeared all over the place. Wherever the Red Army went, bands of local thugs and politicos were soon to follow, all building independent and locally supported revolutions (that were all carried by the Red Army) that brought communists into power. This way, they managed to occupy Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and East Germany. The same nearly came to pass in Austria, but it was saved by the timely intervention of US and UK forces.

While some occupied European nations tried to throw off the soviet yoke, all such resistance movements were mercilessly snuffed. This also happened according to the same, albeit simplified, pattern: the local communists would ask the USSR for help, Moscow would happily oblige and send the Red Army to clean everything out, and eventually it would be presented as locals crushing a counter-revolution all by themselves. Happened in East Germany in 1953, in Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968.

The same typical scenario gave fruit in China. Again, local thugs and lumpens – this time trained and armed in the USSR – go on to fight and beat the Chinese government, all with the help of Red Army. Now this was big, with armies millions in size, but presented in the same way: a local revolution that emerged victorious – without any help from the USSR!

It was followed by events in Korea. USSR-trained and armed revolutionaries – again, thugs and politicos – start a revolution that is in fact carried out by the Red Army. Korea – at the very least, half of it – managed to hold back only because the US didn’t shy away to use its own forces to stop a soviet invasion.

The export of revolution didn’t stop there and neither did it deviate from the pattern. Local thugs and politicos received volunteers, instructors and arms from the USSR and similar places, and then used it to start national revolutions. Formally, there was no involvement from Warsaw Pact, but the truth was still blindingly obvious.

USSR was most active in certain regions: Latin America, Africa, Indochina and the Middle East. Dozens of countries were subjected to the same method, but with varying degrees of success.

Vietnam appeared to be greatest example of success in the Indochina region. Once again, the pattern is the same: some sort of fighters and politicos (with a pinch of thugs) appear, stumble upon a ton of weapons, start receiving volunteers and instructors and eventually the Red Army gets involved. The long, hard Vietnam war culminated in victory for the USSR and the expulsion of the Americans. A similar thing was attempted by China (yet on the guidelines learned from the USSR) in Cambodia.

Now, Africa was the place where they went full speed. Local movements didn’t need much in troops nor armament. Most resistance was squashed by targeting the weak spot of Western democracy: a flood of commie propaganda, as well as liberal use of words of power like ‘colonialism’, all of which made the West pack up and leave. This would set the stage for the well practiced play: a people’s government of thugs and politicos, followed by arms, instructors and even troops from USSR, Cuba or some other brotherly socialist state. However, at that time USSR found an enemy in People’s Republic of China, and PRC started to expand in Africa while using largely the same methods. Zimbabwe was the site of two largely identical groups that were supported, respectively, by USSR and China, but PRC won that round.

Yet Mozambique, Angola, Somalia and some other states were taken over, at least for some time. The thing is that Africa is large, and with great many people come great many thugs, so the regimes were hard to control. And coups would go on, especially if the thugs tried to do their own thing.

The period of thirty years between 1960s and 1990s saw about a hundred revolutions happen in Africa. That is an obscene number for half a hundred states that could be found in the region, and it mostly has to do with the influence of USSR. Them and their patterns: people’s governments and soviet military supposedly providing no aid.

There was plenty of activity in the Middle East, too. But the Arab countries, with their tribal allegiances and Islamic values were too alien, thus resulting in a variety of results. For example, USSR managed to nab Egypt, yet lost it due to the fatal fight against Israel. Without their influence, Egypt evolved into a more or less normal state. However, their efforts bore fruit in Syria and they stayed there for long – the country still hosts a Russian naval base.

USSR tried, aggressively so, to get into Latin America, but only really succeeded in Cuba. The revolution was supposedly headed by Fidel Castro and Ernesto Che Guevara, yet ‘somehow’ soviet arms, soviet troops and other soviet aid made appearance. Similar operations were started in other places in the region: Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, Dominique, etc.

The Latin American revolutions were stopped by radical means that, drastic as they were, snuffed out those movements in their infancy: the offending politicos were captured and jailed or simply shot, thus ending the invasion before it begun. If the countries failed to react in time, like it happened in Nicaragua, strange incursions with supposed local rebels happened.

By the way, communist Cuba became very adept at exporting revolution: in the eyes of foreign observers black Cubans could blend in in Africa, while the white ones didn’t seem out of place in Latin America.

One of the last applications of such patterns was the invasion in Afghanistan, even if it did deviate from the path. True, there’s was a ‘local’ government, but it was put up after the invasion and with no prior armed movements to mask the truth. It was one of the reasons why it failed in the end: USSR didn’t manage to dupe neither the Afghani people, nor the West.

Maybe that’s why the USSR didn’t repeat such mistakes later on. After the state started to disintegrate, a pack of pseudostates were created by local thugs and politicos with guns and men, which allowed them to put on the appearance of a true local government. That’s how we ended up with South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Transnistria.

However, there is a history of failed attempts, likely because the people saw through the maskirovka: the supposed autonomy of the Vilnius region, Gagauzia in Moldova, Adjara in Georgia. One example, where second time was the charm, is Crimea: they might have failed in 1992, but they succeeded in 2014.

Even the Second War in Chechnya ended in a way that saw use of similar methods immediately following the occupation: a government run by Ramzan Khadyrov was installed, and all attempts were made to make the conflict look like it was Chechen vs. Chechen. Vladimir Putin must have decided that the old method needed a refresher course.

The republics of Donetsk and Luhansk are the newest example of the pattern in motion. Some thugs and politicos appear out of thin air, start fighting what they claim to be a fascist junta***. And again, this is a ‘local’ movement for ‘independence’, with no soviet help, only local fighters and maybe some wayward volunteers, Meanwhile, the USS-er, Russia is all for peace and is about to send humanitarian aid.
Old pattern means old methods

In short, I think the pattern is obvious:

    Local politicos who keep screaming about the rights of the people and some mean government that is oppressing them, which leads to protests
    The same politicos band together with the local lumpen-proletariat, declare a revolution and start fighting someone
    Guns start appearing in ever increasing quantities and revolution evolves into an armed attempt to overthrow the government – a war or a coup
    Members of the soviet military also start appearing in ever increasing numbers, coordinating and preparing rebels – and all the while pretending that they’re not there.
    USSR declares that it’s all for peace and against armed conflict that is blamed on the West, and gets ready to send humanitarian aid.
    Meanwhile, the independent, unsupported revolutionary movement overthrows the government and starts exterminating dissenters
    In the end USSR declares that it has nothing to do with it. Coincidentally, the new government has warm feelings towards Moscow and invites soviet peace keepers.

It is not difficult to understand, why such pattern is in place: it is possible, for a very long time (up until overt intrusion) to pretend that no invasion is happening, fool the locals and use someone else for the dirty deeds. It also gives time shoot down the involvement of the West, since you can mess with their heads, claiming that it is all their fault, that they shouldn’t get involved into a purely local matter. In every other aspect, it’s a straight up invasion, with soviet troops entering the country and taking over the government.

As you see, the linchpin of the whole operation is the mock government put up by local thugs and politicos. The full military invasion is always preceded by the appearance of these ‘local’ governments. The question of weather the might of the Soviet military will make appearance hangs on whether the local thugs and politicos will be enough to establish these governments.

If this band of criminal and corrupt elements manage to take root, the soviets would escalate by causing a war and sending their own arms and personnel, something that could only be stopped by other sizeable forces (like in Austria and Korea). However, if there was no such band of scum (or they were intercepted pretty early), the soviet invasion wouldn’t happen.

In short, the only way to protect oneself against such an invasion is sad and unpleasant, but it exists – and it worked for Latin America. It’s important to note that Russia already tried to transfer evolve the first stage into the second in the Baltic states: Latvia and Lithuania in 2009 while Estonia experienced it in 2007. Luckily, those attempts were somewhat restrained, and there was a measure of preparation to counter them.

 

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* Pattern – a repeated sequence of actions or events that help identify the processes behind them and, at the same time, the people initiating them. And that lets you know what is happening and what will likely happen next. As such, a repeating pattern is a mark of a repeated scenario.

** Vladimir Lenin believed that lumpen-proletariat or lumpen were the driving force behind the revolution. Lumpen are made up of criminals, whores and other marginal scum. By the way, the Minister of Education in Luhansk is, for all intents and purposes, a simple whore. Many other ‘activists’ have either served time in Russia or still wanted for criminal activity.

*** Fascist junta is an old term coined by the USSR to call any sort of government the communist revolutionaries were fighting, without exception.

http://ukraine.popo.lt/2014/09/13/that-old-familiar-pattern-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/

They are doing whatever they can, with limited manpower resources. Kharkov is currently home to thousands of Praviy Sector Nazis in addition to the SNA. A major base of the Ukrainian army is situated in the town of Izyum, close to Donetsk. This is the base from where the Kiev junta commands the operations in Donbass. Under these circumstances, they are doing pretty good in Kharkov.

Are there more details on the explosion on a freight train to Kharkov?  Rumors in Tweeter said it was the work of the Kharkov National Republic partizans.

These guys should be more active. They were the ones who ambushed & wounded an American general near  the shale area. These spectacular exploits will spotlight their movement and increase the desperation of the Ukies.

They are not part of the ceasefire so they shouldn't let up on the pressure.

 

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NOVORUSSIA, FROM KHARKOV TO ODESSA

LOL, I heard a gossip Pagan joined a welcome committee for the drivers of the humanitarian convoy to Donbass, hoping for some action when the drivers get drunk. He was wearing his latest gown & wig though, my informant can't distinguish him anymore from the many trans who gathered on the fields along the route. But he was quite emphatic he suspected  most of the trans were actually Ukrainian soldiers who deserted from the front ...

Seriously, the Ukrainian crisis has become anti-climactic. I can see a glimmer of the shape of the conclusion though it may still drag on because of local passions unrelated to the bigger picture (my personal preference is the latter  , Novorussia from Kharkov to Odessa)

I actually found more entertainment in the Baltics. It has become amusing reading about the Estonian claims "about their foreign friends"who will help them. How? It's funny how delusion is really prevalent in the post-Soviet space and the most delusional are actually the Baltics. Like ants that just because they got associated with what they presumed as superpower, they thought they were somebody too, by association (they can't seem to wrap their brains around the fact they got a bankrupt protector) . An Estonian intelligence agent was allegedly kidnapped by Russia then sent to Lefortovo prison in Moscow and the Estonians have been busy namedropping NATO and Obama. I bet the nuances of the Ukraine crisis escaped their simple minds. Reality is suddenly their enemy, they feared losing their delusion of grandeur. They can't believe they are not taken seriously by Russia... but reality check will arrive soon enough...  Frankly, with Estonia, it's like watching a small-time comedian I'm beginning to lose interest...

 

Times are achanging...

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The both, because state ownership magically turns a country into the communist or fascist system of course.

Yeah for sure. If you're asking an ignorant fool like Rassah, then it's fascism or communism... If you're talking with a bit educated person then it's state capitalism or mixed system.

Addition from my girlfriend:

Seriously, aren't you tired of pretend to be an idiot? I think it's obvious even for yourself, that you have no idea about the subject. Maybe it's better to learn the basics of capitalism, socialism and your favorite fascism before trying to talk about that? There are really too many dumb statements coming from you. Please try to do something with your education before we've died of laugh.