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Out of that hardly 1% reached the protesters, for the purchase of rifles and petrol bombs. The remaining went to bribing the oligarchs, such as Tymoshenko, Akhmetov and Ihor Kolomoyskyi.
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Slaviansk: Gunfights, Disappeared Journalist -- and the Mayor is Missing

By Irena Chalupa and James Rupert


A pro-Russian armed man escorts Ukrainian journalist Irma Krat after news conference in Slaviansk, April 21, 2014. (REUTERS/Gleb Garanich)

Slaviansk, a district center of about 120,000 people in northwestern Donetsk province, is increasingly the simmering epicenter of Ukraine’s crisis – and not only because of the gunbattle yesterday that has re-escalated tensions in the east. The masked soldiers and militiamen who control access to the city behind roadblocks of stacked tires have detained the mayor and at least one of two Ukrainian journalists who disappeared there in the past week.

The declared leader of Slaviansk's unknown ruling junta, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying  that “fascists are trying to conquer us” and urging Putin to send “a peacekeeping force to protect the civilian population.”
Slaviansk also has been one of the toughest places to access for the civilian observers of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). An OSCE team will try to enter the city again today after turning back yesterday because of security concerns, Reuters reported. "It's a mixed experience dealing with checkpoints and so forth,” Michael Bociurkiw told the agency. “There is a hardened attitude in Donetsk or Slaviansk, but some other areas are more accommodating," he said.

The gunmen of Slaviansk today brought out reporter Irma Krat, 29, in a blindfold to show her briefly to other journalists. And the gunmen's leader, Ponomaryov, has confirmed that his forces are holding Mayor Nelly Shtepa – for her own protection, he said -- following an unspecified medical procedure. Shtepa went missing after she accused Ponomaryov’s pro-Russian force of looting and robbery, and rebutted his claim that the armed men are all local residents (and thus not Russian troops).

The young men who now guard the roadblocks and meticulously search the cars of anyone seeking to enter the city seem undecided about the future they’re fighting for, writes Stanislav Kmet, a journalist for Ostro, an independent news website in eastern Ukraine. Kmet spent a day walking around the city, photographing the barricades and speaking to masked men. They are not sure whether their region should join Russia or simply fight for independence as the “Donetsk People’s Republic,” Kmet reports. But they want out of Ukraine – and somehow at the same time they hate being called “separatisti.” Indeed, that label – “separatists” – draws from them a quite aggressive reaction, Kmet says.

Beyond the checkpoints, the city seems to have hunkered down, its normally busy streets deserted these days. Neighbors gather to talk quietly here and there, but it is unclear that many people are going to work these days, Kmet writes.

Mayor and Journalists: Detained and Disappeared
Slaviansk’s gunmen produced one of two Ukrainian journalists who disappeared in the city in recent days, leading Irma Krat out of the state security building in a blindfold to speak to other reporters. A local militiaman said they were investigating Krat over suspicions that she was involved in “the mistreatment of riot policemen and a Russian journalist” who were detained last winter amid the pro-democracy demonstrations at Kyiv’s Maidan, Reuters says. Krat told reporters the gunmen were questioning her about her presence in Slaviansk.

Krat told the reporters that the gunmen have not mistreated her. She said she has seen no evidence in detention of Kyiv-based journalist Serhiy Lefter, a former reporter with Ukraine’s state television who had been writing for Ukrainian websites and for a Warsaw-based pro-democracy group, the Open Dialog Foundation. Lefter disappeared April 16, two days after reaching Slaviansk, the foundation says. Slaviansk's gunmen have not commented on his disappearance.

Also still missing is Slaviansk Mayor Nelly Shtepa, who initially voiced sympathy for the gunmen in a TV interview after they took control of the city nine days ago. They were local boys whose demands for greater power for Ukraine’s provinces were legitimate, said Shtepa, a member of the dominant political party of eastern Ukraine, the Party of Regions once led by former President Viktor Yanukovych.

But several days later, Shtepa changed her mind, telling Russia’s independent internet television channel, Dozhd, that she did not know who the gunmen are, that they are not local, and that they had committed looting and robbery. According to the website Slavgorod, Shtepa was last seen sitting in the seized city hall waiting to speak with Ponomaryov, who has displaced her as the city's visible authority. On Friday, Ponomaryov said Shtepa is in his forces’ custody. “She has had a small crisis, she had an operation. She’s in normal condition now and has resigned her position,” said Ponomaryov.


Mysterious Shootout
The 3 a.m. shootout outside Slaviansk killed between one and five people, according to conflicting reports by Ukrainian authorities and Russian news media. Russia has blamed Ukrainian militants, while Ukraine’s national security service, the SBU, said the attack was staged by foreign (meaning Russian) provocateurs.

Ponomaryov blamed the attack on the Right Sektor, a nationalist group that battled Yanukovych’s police during the Maidan demonstrations. As proof they offer a business card imprinted with the name of Dmitro Yarosh, the Right Sektor’s overall leader. Ukrainian social media are buzzing with debate over the reported gunfight and the business card, which was displayed in pristine condition after gunmen said they found it in the debris of one of the burned-out vehicles destroyed in the battle.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/slaviansk-gunfights-disappeared-journalist-and-the-mayor-is-missing
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Smear campaign by Kiev:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/04/20/4071068/mystery-of-ukraines-anti-semitic.html

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The words stunned Jewish residents of the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk on the first night of Passover, when masked men carrying a Russian flag started handing out sheets with the chilling announcement to community members as they left the synagogue. “Evasion of registration,” it warned, “will result in revocation of citizenship and . . . confiscation of property.”
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1. 2,000 arms were distributed in the last week among the unknown number of men who took over the city, its offices, and so on. To speak of Ukrainian right extremists is at least problematic without an in-depth investigation.
2. There are shootings in the city every day. Right now, the city has no police on duty and no other government to control the situation. The local residents do not go outside after darkness.
3. Local residents report that, indeed, there was a shooting in one of the most crime-ridden neighborhoods of the city and that it was a standoff of two criminal gangs. Based on varying reports, 6 or even 10-12 people were delivered to hospitals for emergency treatment, but many of them refused hospitalization and left. Local sources argue that some of them were "little green men" and gangsters.
4. Based on the fact that Russian media had reporters immediately at the scene, it is not too far of a stretch to assume that this could have been a staged shooting to incite fear and panic, and to show that there is chaos in the region as to justify a possible Russian invasion. [Editors note: The first source to report on this was the notorious Dmitriy Kiselev, famous for his manipulation of facts and warmongering propaganda on Russian TV.] Or just to upset the holiday for us."




http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/04/21/russian-media-distorts-again-3-6-killed-in-a-sloviansk-shootout-and-as-usual-the-right-sector-is-the-culprit/
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Kazakh businessman Ermek Taychibekov offers a million rubles for Kolomoysky's head.

Oh... Ihor Kolomoyskyi, the a$$hole who bought up half of the Ukrainian media outlets.

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Ihor Kolomoysky is fond of buying up mass media outlets. He purchased 3 percent of the shares of the Central European Media Enterprises for $110 million and entered the board of directors of this large international media corporation majority owned by US billionaire Ronald S. Lauder. In Ukraine, this media group controls one of the top television channels, Studio 1+1, as well as Kino and City channels. Kolomoysky also got stronger by buying, from brothers Hryhoriy and Igor Surkis, 50 percent of the shares of TET TV channel.
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 Grin "According to our consulate some 250,000 people came to the meeting in favour of federalisation..."

It would be really funny if it weren't be so sad - because this is exactly what Russian state propaganda has become like



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Пo дaнным нaшeгo кoнcyльcтвa, нa митинг cтopoнникoв фeдepaлизaции в Xapькoвe пpишли 250 тыcяч чeлoвeк
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That one is preposterous! A bank advertising offering money to kill people!  Shocked Undecided
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Kazakh businessman Ermek Taychibekov offers a million rubles for Kolomoysky's head.
Reward increased 6 times, Ermek Taychibekov offers 6 million rubles for Kolomoysky's head.

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Hope things turn out well this time

Things like this never turn well. At least not too quickyl after the "revolution" or whwtever this is.

And most important , people have died , and no matter the outcome , it will be stained with blood.
Humans are idiots sometimes most of the times.
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Hope things turn out well this time
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Ethnic Russians in Ukraine, take a note. Serbs and Croats in Bosnia, you too.

you can, but it's legitimacy is usually questionable Cheesy

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There are two major points contained within the Charter of the UN: territorial integrity of sovereign states, and people's self-determination. You can't have both, it's either former or the latter. Problem with the West's approach to Yugoslavian crisis was that it was dishonest and lacked basic consistency. West was constantly jumping from one point to another and back, twisting or overriding international laws and even their own previously established principles. You can't destroy one multinational country under the pretext that every constitutive nation has rights to choose its own path, and in the same time claim that Bosnia, another multinational regional country, must stay united at all costs and use sanctions and military power to keep Bosnian Serbs and Croats -also two constitutive nations- within its borders. Or to tell that all former Yugoslavian republics should keep their borders and to encourage some to crush secessionists (like Croatia was allowed to destroy Serbian rebels, or Macedonia Albanian rebels) and then, only several years later, to embrace rebellion of Albanian ethnic minority in Serbian province of Kosovo and support their secession.

This, my friend, is called politics of double standards - notorious Western specialty! It's not possible to achieve fair, long lasting peace like that, by giving everything to one side while taking everything away from another. Reality is black and white only in dumb Hollywood movies.

the Wests approach was to preserve Yugoslavia until Vukovar happened, after that the West leans on the other side, the West doesn't want a new aggresive country to prove everyone that they can go around invading countries and disobeying the rules of warfare Cheesy

it is basically as simple as that, they did support Yugoslavia but when Serbs started the ethnic cleansing the rules changed so it's not actually double standards

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also two constitutive nations
3 constitutive nations, 2 entities, 1 country

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some to crush secessionists (like Croatia was allowed to destroy Serbian rebels, or Macedonia Albanian rebels) and then, only several years later, to embrace rebellion of Albanian ethnic minority in Serbian province of Kosovo

for starters, you can simply see war wouldn't stop if the Serbian rebellion wasn't stopped
Serb majority areas weren't connected and they were splitting Croatia in 2 parts, by simple means you can see it wouldn't stop there Cheesy
Serbs would want to connect with their mother land trough lots of areas with Croat and Muslim majorities and along with Mihailovics plans leaving mayhem behind Cheesy
while Kosovo is even connected to Albania

only other reason Serbs lost Kosovo was not double standards, it was aggresion on Croatia and Bosnia&Herzegovina

Americans saw Serbia as a new threat to international peace and as Serbs used force earlier they wanted to use it again
Westerners simply used them as an example that disobeying them won't be tolerated
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How much it cost to rent flat in Crimea?
I think your question is too general, because you can rent 1 room for 1 day or three-storey house for 1 year...  Roll Eyes

Perhaps someone living there can advice me Smiley
Ask this guys,
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This season girls and houses will be cheaper than usual  Grin
It's unlikely because every second girl in Moscow is from Ukraine already. Roll Eyes
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How much it cost to rent flat in Crimea? Seems like cool place to visit. Sexy girls, sea, parties.


Perhaps someone living there can advice me Smiley

You can always check here: http://cri.slando.ua/nedvizhimost/arenda-domov/doma-posutochno-pochasovo/

This season girls and houses will be cheaper than usual  Grin Welcome to Russia bro.
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How much it cost to rent flat in Crimea? Seems like cool place to visit. Sexy girls, sea, parties.


Perhaps someone living there can advice me Smiley
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"Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk"... russian language sounds bad as bad things they do
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/russophobia-origin-stereotypes-danger-812/

"... is not a fact that it is aimed against russians you know. People like me been a russians of course it's very unpleasant for me to read it and to hear it... I think there is something more dangerous in that, the problem is that russophobia has become the centerpiece of global stupidity, of global absurd that we see in the world today ..."
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27093347
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