Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 345. (Read 734937 times)

    
"Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk"... russian language sounds bad as bad things they do

They forgot to put on trial Obomba and Bush for Uranium warheads and drone killing etc

The International Criminal Court (ICC) has tried a number of Croats for war crimes during the Balkan wars, along with Serbs and Muslims. Even Franjo Tuđman is accused of war crimes in Bosnia and Krajina. All the three major ethnic groups committed massacres and other crimes during the war. You can't run away from the accusations.

they were paramilitary only 1 year, then they integrated themselves into HV (Hrvatska vojska, Croatian Army)

0 HOS members have been convicted for war crimes

what crimes are you talking about?


that is very not true for a couple of reasons

western forces never wanted to break up Yugoslavia, they wanted a strong nation between them and Russia, Yugoslavia was succesfully distancing themselves from USSR and as the leading force of the "3rd block" no one wanted to break it up, that is why I dislike western countries, they wanted to preserve Yugoslavia no matter the cost for their own selfish reasons

when the war started the western countries prevented selling guns to any of the Balkan countries and therefore making clear who they wanted to win, which was of course well armed Yugoslav army
other countries had nothing, we had to use agricultural planes to throw gas cylinders on pinpointed locations..

most of the financial support came from the Croats which were forced to immigrate in the 2nd WW, still we had nothing at the beginning and the UN was preventing us to regain our territory

Croatian National Guard (ZNG), later part of Croatian Defence Forces (HOS) were both paramilitary formations because in the time they've been formed only Constitutionally established and legal military force in Yugoslavia was Yugoslav People's Army (JNA). There has been much more (at least dozen) other small paramilitary Croatian units but these two were major. Croatian self-declared independence was then pushed against the Statute of Yugoslavia, thus illegal. But as Bryant said, unlike Russian minority in Ukraine Croats enjoyed strong political, financial and logistic support from the western powers who, in pursuit of their own strategic goals in the Balkans, decided to break international law, ignore Charter of the UN and Yugoslavian territorial integrity and to recognize Croatian secession, sending Yugoslavia into the nightmare of civil war.

I agree with that, only thing coming from the USA will be some not very important sanctions and critics


what the hell are you talking about?

I'm not sure I heard of any larger Croatian paramilitary unit, are you sure you didn't mix up nations?

That was what I mentioned. The US will only attack a nation if the cost of the war is significantly lower than the revenues from it. Iraq produces crude oil worth some $95 billion every year. Add to that the huge natural gas production. I am not sure about the American expenses in Iraq, but I think that the expenses will be slightly less than that amount.

Regarding Russia, the cost can reach trillions of $$$. Definitely not worth it.

How about mutually assured destruction. Once is Russia is defeated in conventional warfare it will resorts to nuclear, biological, chemical and cyber warfare.

how about the cost of war?

The US will never attack Russia. And Russia will never attack the US. The US war machine will attack a country only if the positives are more than the negatives. See the case of Iraq. The positives (millions of barrels of crude oil per day, enormous natural gas deposits) very significantly out-weighed the negatives (~20K NATO military deaths?).

they gonna blame russia and is excuse for attacking Russia by US/NATO  soon big bang from Obomba and Co.

try this in the US police kill you and no questions asked, even a guy camping in desert was recently killed by U.S. police, this killing is on youtube.

Or perhaps the Russians don't have the external support which the Croats enjoyed during the 1990s. Croats were supported by the Catholic nations in the EU, while the Russians of Donetsk don't even have the support from Russia.

@Pagan

I don't want to further derail this thread with offtopic, I'm just going to say that comparison with the secession of Croatia stands, but in this case Ukrainians are actually playing the role of Yugoslavia and its forces, while ethnic Russian Ukrainians are like Croats: their methods are very similar to those used by then illegal Croatian paramilitary. Only difference is that the Russians aren't nearly as violent as Croats.

Tactics used today in Donetsk, were used by Serbs in Croatia



 ChristopherMorris65

What Russia is doing today in Donbas with the participation of the “civilians” – is not new. Similar tactics were used by the Serbs during the occupation of the eastern lands of Croatia, against Croatian Army, shooting from behind the head of “peaceful citizens”, and blocking of the equipment…

There were also more sophisticated techniques, for example, a unit of Croatian soldiers and police were met by a smiling grandmother with the words “sons, we are brotherly people”, she seated them at a large table covered in the yard, then went to the house for refreshments… and after half a minute, a machine gun started to shoot at the guests from the roof.

Recruitment and instruction of “civilians” was happening in subversive centres of Serbia, and then they were transferred over the border and settled in homes, which were left by the Croatian refugees. Incidentally, the “peaceful ethnic Serbs” were mainly retired military, with the same motivation as the Russians now – to capitalize on the blood.

From the actions of so-called “civilians” the Croats felt quite heavy losses in manpower and equipment (and not only the humiliation experienced by Ukrainians, when the guns APCs are taken (!!!!) from our soldiers).

It was necessary to do something with this – and the decision was made. It was a difficult one, but, as has been proved by the future, it will save thousands of lives on both sides.

When the compounds of the regular army of the Republic of Croatia approached Serbian soldiers, militias and “peaceful citizens” (separation tend to be very conditional – as now in the Donbas), Croats were firing into the air a special flare. This meant: exactly 30 seconds after the beep all the people in the zone of hostilities on the part of the enemy, were considered to be the military. 30 seconds was given to bystanders and onlookers to leave the scene of a collision.

This was reported in the newspapers, on TV and leaflets were distributed in the conflict zone.

The result was quick and radical: just after the first two or three collisions the number of random people and “onlookers for the company” in areas of the fighting had decreased to almost zero. Knowing exactly that in half a minute the army will start to work without any ceremonies; most ordinary people did not want to tempt the fate.

At the same time, the Croatian army was in compliance with the “rules of war” – and this was confirmed at The Hague tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, which declared the legendary Croatian General Ante Gotovin NOT GUILTY. After all, the civilians were always given the opportunity to leave unharmed.

Today’s “anti-terrorist operation” undertaken by Turchinov, Avakov and Co is a shame and humiliation for the country.

In order to win, it would be good to learn from the Croats, who withstood a strong, well-armed, in all respects superior enemy, because they:

a) were not afraid to make tough but right decisions;

b) were very, very, very fond of their country.

Denis Oleynikov.

http://inforesist.org/tactics-used-today-in-donetsk-were-used-by-serbs-in-croatia/?lang=en

I have ignored him. Please do so if they haven't already done that yet. Why feed the troll by wasting our own time?

Founded by Maidan protesters "Government of Victory" is still in government buildings, and not retire troops from Donbass.

This topic is about news and footage from Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk.

Reports of more locals joining the protesters in Donetsk and Lugansk. Meanwhile another government building in Slovyansk was today seized by the protesters. It will be interesting to watch Kiev's response.

Who Are You Calling Fascist?
Putin’s Russia is in no position to criticize Ukraine.

Throughout the Ukraine crisis, Moscow has insisted that the Euromaidan protests against the pro-Russian regime of Viktor Yanukovych were driven by far-right groups, fascists, or even “neo-Nazis” and that Yanukovych’s downfall has brought these dark forces into the corridors of power. These claims are echoed by Kremlin-friendly Western commentators on the left (the Nation’s Stephen Cohen) and the paleocon right (Antiwar.com’s Justin Raimondo). Far-right extremism in Ukraine is indeed a worrisome problem. But the alarmist narrative of “neofascists in Kiev” is vastly exaggerated, more often than not with the blatant goal of discrediting a pro-democracy, pro-Western government—a bias all the more glaring when the alarmists ignore the rise of de facto fascism in Vladimir Putin’s Russia and its startling connections to ultra-right nationalism in Europe.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/who-are-you-calling-fascist_786502.html


A pro-Putin ‘Brotherhood and Civil Resistance March’ in Moscow, March 15, 2014