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Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 50. (Read 734725 times)

legendary
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The Georgians learnt their mistake and kicked the US puppet out of their country. But I have no hope for Ukraine. These people are brainwashed beyond any redemption.

I think they need a little more time. Typically it takes more than year for Uncle Sam to render its vassal states total basket cases. But it´s getting there.

The situation in Ukraine is entirely different from what took place else where. Something like a massive hysteria is going on. People organizing choirs, churning out profanities such as "Putin Khuilo" and burning Russian flags, when the Russians largely ignore them. Anyone who opposes this is branded as an anti-nationalist, and sent to prison. Right now the hysteria is getting converted to schizophrenia.

You are not wrong there, but people start to question, especially now, when monthly payments for water and gas exceed the size of pensions and are close to the size of average salaries. There is no money left for food.

Still, from latest news, SBU opened a criminal case against two teachers, who were on practice at a school in Russia and took a picture with their Russian colleague, bearing St.George band. They are charged with espionage. Another case on the same grounds opened against the head of the Ukrainian Communist Party, who visited Russian Communist Party assembly.

Meanwhile in DNR, social services started paying out pensions after a 6-month long pause. Payments are now done in Russian roubles or Ukrainian hrivna, with people preferring roubles. Postmen deliver pensions even to those pensioners, who live in the regions that come under Ukro-bombardment.

And "Minsk-2"... Over the last 24 hours Ukrainian forces violated it 31 times. One shooting happened from artillery, 20 from mortars, the rest were armed provocations. The shooting happens largely around Shirokino and Donetsk. There are reports of more heavy weapons being pulled by Ukrainian Nazional guard. Even Merkel, after her today's meeting with Yats (who came to Berlin begging for moar €-coins) had the grace to say that she does not see Kiev making progress on Minsk-2 agreements.
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The Georgians learnt their mistake and kicked the US puppet out of their country. But I have no hope for Ukraine. These people are brainwashed beyond any redemption.

I think they need a little more time. Typically it takes more than year for Uncle Sam to render its vassal states total basket cases. But it´s getting there.

The situation in Ukraine is entirely different from what took place else where. Something like a massive hysteria is going on. People organizing choirs, churning out profanities such as "Putin Khuilo" and burning Russian flags, when the Russians largely ignore them. Anyone who opposes this is branded as an anti-nationalist, and sent to prison. Right now the hysteria is getting converted to schizophrenia.

Wow, didn´t realize it was this wild. I take it this hysteria is confined to the western part of the country.

It´ll probably come a part in due course. And the Russians will move into the southern part. It´s eminently Russian after all, Odessa and all.
legendary
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The Georgians learnt their mistake and kicked the US puppet out of their country. But I have no hope for Ukraine. These people are brainwashed beyond any redemption.

I think they need a little more time. Typically it takes more than year for Uncle Sam to render its vassal states total basket cases. But it´s getting there.

The situation in Ukraine is entirely different from what took place else where. Something like a massive hysteria is going on. People organizing choirs, churning out profanities such as "Putin Khuilo" and burning Russian flags, when the Russians largely ignore them. Anyone who opposes this is branded as an anti-nationalist, and sent to prison. Right now the hysteria is getting converted to schizophrenia.
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The Georgians learnt their mistake and kicked the US puppet out of their country. But I have no hope for Ukraine. These people are brainwashed beyond any redemption.

I think they need a little more time. Typically it takes more than year for Uncle Sam to render its vassal states total basket cases. But it´s getting there.
legendary
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The Georgians learnt their mistake and kicked the US puppet out of their country. But I have no hope for Ukraine. These people are brainwashed beyond any redemption.
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Ukraine Refuses to Extradite Georgia's Ex-President

KIEV, Ukraine — Apr 1, 2015, 7:31 AM ET




Associated Press

Ukraine has rejected Georgia's request for the extradition of its former president, Mikhail Saakashvili, who is facing a criminal probe at home.

The Ukrainian Prosecutor-General's office said in Wednesday's statement that Saakashvili could face political persecution in Georgia if he is extradited.

Saakashvili, who was president in 2004-2013, left Georgia in the face of abuse of power accusations leveled by his political foes. Saakashvili's United National Movement has been in opposition since losing the 2012 parliamentary election to a party founded by billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili, who made his fortune in Russia.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has appointed Saakashvili the head of his advisory council.

Saakashvili has dismissed the accusations against him as a political vendetta by Ivanishvili, accusing him of serving Moscow's interests.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-refuses-extradite-georgias-president-30042148
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Pepe Escobar reporting from Donetsk:

http://atimes.com/2015/03/pepe-escobar-in-eastern-ukraine-howling-in-donetsk/

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Asia Times’ roving correspondent Pepe Escobar just returned from a reporting trip to the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), the pro-Russian enclave in the Donetsk Oblast province of eastern Ukraine. The area has been the scene of heavy fighting between pro-Russian rebels and the Ukrainian military. Go to the original weblink to see the photos which accompany the article.

I’ve just been to the struggling Donetsk People’s Republic. Now I’m back in the splendid arrogance and insolence of NATOstan.

Quite a few people – in Donbass, in Moscow, and now in Europe – have asked me what struck me most about this visit.

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I could start by paraphrasing Allen Ginsberg in Howl – “I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness”.

But these were the Cold War mid-1950s. Now we’re in early 21st century Cold War 2.0 .

Thus what I saw were the ghastly side effects of the worst minds of my – and a subsequent – generation corroded by (war) madness.

I saw refugees on the Russian side of the border, mostly your average middle-class European family whose kids, when they first came to the shelter,  would duck under tables when they heard a plane in the sky.
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I saw checkpoints like I was back in Baghdad during the Petraeus surge.

I saw the main trauma doctor at the key Donetsk hospital confirm there has been no Red Cross and no international humanitarian help to the people of Donetsk.

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I did not see the totally destroyed Donetsk airport because the DPR’s military were too concerned about our safety and would not grant us a permit while the airport was being hit – in defiance of Minsk 2; but I saw the destruction and the pile of Ukrainian army bodies on the mobile phone of a Serbian DPR resistance fighter.

I did not see, as Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe international observers also didn’t, the rows and rows of Russian tanks and soldiers that the current Dr. Strangelove in charge of NATO, General Breedhate, sees everyday in his exalted dreams invading Ukraine over and over again.

And I did not see the arrogance, the ignorance, the shamelessness and the lies distorting those manicured faces in Kiev, Washington and Brussels while they insist, over and over again, that the entire population of Donbass, traumatized babushkas and children of all ages included, are nothing but “terra-rists”.

After all, they are Western “civilization”-enabled cowards who would never dare to show their manicured faces to the people of Donbass.


So this is my gift to them. Just a howl of anger and unbounded contempt.

The list is long. It is a very sombering read indeed!
legendary
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Well, then Yarosh and other so-called nationalists shall be deported to Israel.

Some of the most prominent junta members are having dual Ukrainian-Israeli citizenship, such as Ihor Kolomoyskyi. Israel backed the Maidan during the 2014 Coup d'etat, which installed the junta. The connections are there for everyone to see.
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Ukraine’s Right Sector Leader Wants Donbas Residents Deported

Dmitri Yarosh, Rada MP and leader of Ukraine’s Right Sector, has declared that the unruly residents of eastern Ukraine must be deported and deprived of their civil rights before a program of ‘affectionate Ukrainianization’ can begin.

In an interview for Ukrainian newspaper Obosrevatel published on Sunday, Ukrainian Right Sector leader and Rada deputy Dmitri Yarosh stated that the unruly residents of eastern Ukraine should be deported and deprived of their civil rights.

Yarosh noted that much of Donbas is populated by ‘Sovoks’, an insulting slang term in Ukrainian and Russian derived from the word ‘Soviet’. Yarosh stated that the region “is populated by Sovoks –real Sovoks. And they should be deported. We have to deal with those who do not want to live by the rules and the laws of the state in a very harsh manner. This includes deportation, the deprivation of civil rights, and so on. Without force, it will not be possible to do anything with the region, to turn the tide so to speak.” ....

http://thesaker.is/ukraines-right-sector-leader-wants-donbas-residents-deported/


Hmm. They softened up a bit. Last year they talked about killing off the millions that do not agree with their rule. Now it's "only" deporting (where to?) and depriving of civil rights. It also implies that the land that those people tilled for generation will also be expropriated in favour of the jewish oligarchs. No European values violated. Move along...

Looks like he already got his answer from those people. If he wants to deport them, they'll gladly do so taking their land and livelihood with them, and fend off any usurper who tries to say otherwise.



DNR government plans to send children for summer vacation to Crimea and other Russian cities:
http://ria.ru/world/20150331/1055715166.html

Ministry of Defence of Donetsk People's Republic tells about another provocation: a disinformation published on BBC, saying that Russian army is fighting in DNR, presented as if coming from a commander of DNR army:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/03/31/n_7065849.shtml
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Wannabe Himmler negotiates his horde joining Ukrainian Army as independent division

The volunteer battalion Right Sector is ready to join the Ukrainian Army as a separate division under the command of Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh.



https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/right-sector-negotiates-joining-ukrainian-army-as-independent-division-under-yarosh-command-384679.html
legendary
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Ukraine’s Right Sector Leader Wants Donbas Residents Deported

Dmitri Yarosh, Rada MP and leader of Ukraine’s Right Sector, has declared that the unruly residents of eastern Ukraine must be deported and deprived of their civil rights before a program of ‘affectionate Ukrainianization’ can begin.

In an interview for Ukrainian newspaper Obosrevatel published on Sunday, Ukrainian Right Sector leader and Rada deputy Dmitri Yarosh stated that the unruly residents of eastern Ukraine should be deported and deprived of their civil rights.

Yarosh noted that much of Donbas is populated by ‘Sovoks’, an insulting slang term in Ukrainian and Russian derived from the word ‘Soviet’. Yarosh stated that the region “is populated by Sovoks –real Sovoks. And they should be deported. We have to deal with those who do not want to live by the rules and the laws of the state in a very harsh manner. This includes deportation, the deprivation of civil rights, and so on. Without force, it will not be possible to do anything with the region, to turn the tide so to speak.” ....

http://thesaker.is/ukraines-right-sector-leader-wants-donbas-residents-deported/

Well, then Yarosh and other so-called nationalists shall be deported to Israel.
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Ukraine’s Right Sector Leader Wants Donbas Residents Deported

Dmitri Yarosh, Rada MP and leader of Ukraine’s Right Sector, has declared that the unruly residents of eastern Ukraine must be deported and deprived of their civil rights before a program of ‘affectionate Ukrainianization’ can begin.

In an interview for Ukrainian newspaper Obosrevatel published on Sunday, Ukrainian Right Sector leader and Rada deputy Dmitri Yarosh stated that the unruly residents of eastern Ukraine should be deported and deprived of their civil rights.

Yarosh noted that much of Donbas is populated by ‘Sovoks’, an insulting slang term in Ukrainian and Russian derived from the word ‘Soviet’. Yarosh stated that the region “is populated by Sovoks –real Sovoks. And they should be deported. We have to deal with those who do not want to live by the rules and the laws of the state in a very harsh manner. This includes deportation, the deprivation of civil rights, and so on. Without force, it will not be possible to do anything with the region, to turn the tide so to speak.” ....

http://thesaker.is/ukraines-right-sector-leader-wants-donbas-residents-deported/
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In a Gallup survey of people in 65 countries, about one quarter named the United States as the greatest threat to world peace.
 
Maybe that should not be so surprising, as only about half of Americans know which country was the only one to ever drop a nuclear bomb.

Grin Cheesy

Seems like stupid Hollywood movies are no longer effective in brainwashing the population outside North America. Remember the good ol' days. The evil Soviets would invade each and every third world nation, and the American saviours would come and kick them out. Perhaps we should request Chuck Norris to resume acting... the current bunch is not effective enough.

err, dude please, to them Moise is freaking Batman.

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In a Gallup survey of people in 65 countries, about one quarter named the United States as the greatest threat to world peace.
 
Maybe that should not be so surprising, as only about half of Americans know which country was the only one to ever drop a nuclear bomb.

Grin Cheesy

Seems like stupid Hollywood movies are no longer effective in brainwashing the population outside North America. Remember the good ol' days. The evil Soviets would invade each and every third world nation, and the American saviours would come and kick them out. Perhaps we should request Chuck Norris to resume acting... the current bunch is not effective enough.
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Reuters Asks "Who Is More Of A Threat: Obama Or Putin", Surprised By The Answer

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A recent Reuters/Ipsos poll asked more than 3,000 Americans what they see as some of the biggest threats to themselves and the country.

Overall it was close - 20% saw Putin as an imminent threat compared to 18% who said the same about Obama.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-30/reuters-asks-who-more-threat-obama-or-putin-surprised-answer

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In a Gallup survey of people in 65 countries, about one quarter named the United States as the greatest threat to world peace.
 
Maybe that should not be so surprising, as only about half of Americans know which country was the only one to ever drop a nuclear bomb.

Grin Cheesy
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Yeah, and as before around the world the result will be a totally useless American-trained military.

It´s just their shallow and primitive military doctrine. The results are always predictable.
legendary
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God bless them for doing this. They've spent several centuries while doing very hard work, and now they're dumping results into the toilet. And even more, they're doing this for free. Grin
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Damning Evidence: “No Feelings.” How US Advisors Teach Ukrainians to Be Killing Machines!
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/03/29/damning-evidence-no-feeelings-how-us-advisors-teach-ukrainians-to-be-killing-machines/

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The damning video below shows a training session in Kiev, Ukraine, for the Ukraine army/national guard soldiers. This American, who explains that he used to work in the US, rehabilitating the worst drug addicts and axe murderers, says he ‘believes’ in people. “No feelings in war,” he repeats like a mantra.  This is brainwashing at its best, as many of us have suspected all along. It has been suspected for the longest time that Americans are using all kinds of open brainwashing and MK ultra techniques on Ukrainians, and no doubt, on other Eastern Europeans. Finally, the evidence is coming out!

“Your senses have to be fully alert, but no feelings and emotions” (yes, god forbid you feel sorry or remorseful for the children you’ve killed in Donbass). This is a nazi killing machine preparation protocol in action!

The whole thing is in English, plus the translator is providing Russian translation. In the background, you can see the poster reading: “Believing in yourself, believing in Ukraine.” A  very American poster, I must say, as no one talks like that in Ukraine!

The poster is also in Russian, not Ukrainian, which proves another thing a lot of Russian analysts have been pointing out: US is bent on creating ANTI-RUSSIA in Ukraine, using Russians and Russian-speakers living in Ukraine. The Gallup Poll of 2007 indirectly confirmed that over 80% of Ukrainians consider Russian their native language, not Ukrainian, despite many years of brainwashing. If they couldn’t do it through schools and media, they decided to create the anti-Russia, using Russians.

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When I showed this video to a friend, he made a remark I found very poignant: “When he was rehabilitating killers and addicts in the US, was he also recruiting them for the US army?”

Very possibly. They take people, whose self-esteem is super-low, who are screwed up by drugs and life, who have extremely low calibration…

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how they train killing machines!

Video title: “Укpaинцeв yчaт, чтo yмepeть зa интepecы CШA – этo иx пpeднaзнaчeниe” – “Ukrainians are taught that dying for the US interests is their purpose”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_GT-DSaGJI
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Ukrainians violated the ceasefire 27 times the day before yesterday and 20 times yesterday. Artillery shelling went mostly against the villages of Gorlovka, Peski, Shirokino and what was once the Donetsk airport. One can can hardly talk about a ceasefire any more, when it is observed one-sidedly only by Novorossian armed forces.



The first commuter train went from Lugansk to Donetsk yesterday. The connection was reconstructed after the Ukrainians demolished the railway line as part of the wholesale destruction of Debalcevo. The train will go 3 times a week allowing families in Donetsk and Lugansk to connect once again.



1120 crimes committed by military in east of Ukraine — media
http://tass.ru/en/world/785336

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The crime situation in the Donetsk region in the territories controlled by Kiev is largely caused by alcoholism among the security forces, the regional governor says



Russia urges Ukraine to lift blockade of Donbas — Russia’s ambassador to OSCE
http://tass.ru/en/world/785390

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MOSCOW, March 27 /TASS/. Ukraine should immediately lift the blockade of its Donbas region, Andrey Kelin, Russia’s Permanent Representative to OSCE, said at a meeting of the OSCE Permanent Council on Friday.

"It is necessary to use any available means to deliver relief aid to Donbas so long as it remains under siege.



One civilian killed as Ukrainian troops open fire at civilian car - DPR
http://tass.ru/en/world/785713



An interesting read:

The EU shares responsibility for ending the conflict in Ukraine
http://www.russia-direct.org/qa/eu-shares-responsibility-ending-conflict-ukraine

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Russia Direct recently sat down with Swiss journalist and politician Guy Mettan, who hosted and moderated the panel discussion “European Choice: Globalization or Re-Sovereignization,” held in Geneva on March 6, 2015.

Serving as the President of the Joint Chamber of Commerce Switzerland-Russia & CIS, Guy Mettan has extensive experience and knowledge of Russia and its history and relations with Europe. Mettan gave us his insights into the reasons for the tensions between Russia and Europe and how the situation could be improved.

He suggests that Russia has to be “rediscovered” by Europeans to break the existing stereotypes about Russia and that much of the current divide between Russia and the West is geopolitical rather than ideological.

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RD: What do you think became the main reason for the current tensions between the EU and Russia? Is it just simply a geopolitical conflict or does it go deeper to the level of values?

G.M.: It is both for me. I have written a book about a thousand years of war between the West and Russia. The subtitle is “Russophobes from Charlemagne until to the Ukrainian crisis.” I explain that it existed before with the values between the Orthodox and the Roman Catholic when the Holy Roman Empire was against the Byzantine Empire, so it was already a struggle. There were both political competition and ideological competition between them. Political was on the level of the Empires, ideological was on the level of religion. Since then, it is ongoing in different forms with different actors.

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Ukraines’s $3bn debt to Russia puts multibillion dollar IMF package at risk

Ukraine’s $3 billion debt to Russia could undermine the IMF’s four-year multibillion dollar bailout program. If the debt is considered official, it will breach the terms of providing financial assistance, said IMF spokesperson William Murray.

The Ukraine debt includes $3 billion in Eurobonds lent by Russia to the country’s previous government in December 2013. IMF rules say a bailout cannot be provided to a country if it defaulted on a loan from a state institution.

“We have a non-tolerance policy,” William Murray told reporters at a news conference on Thursday, adding that Ukraine’s debt to Russia should be considered state debt.

“If I’m not mistaken, the $3 billion Eurobond comes from the Russian sovereign wealth fund, so it’s official debt,” he said.

However, the IMF hasn’t yet clarified its attitude towards the whole matter, Murray said.

If Russia rejects the possibility of restructuring Ukraine could face imminent default, placing the IMF in an awkward situation.

Russia’s Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said Friday he considers Ukraine’s $3 billion debt official.

“Russia is definitely acting as the official creditor in this case,” Siluanov said.

http://rt.com/business/244501-ukraine-russia-imf-loan/


Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/ukraine-may-not-get-multibillion-dollar-imf-package-because-of-3bn-debt-to-russia/#x80Q0PkrzS1cYUId.99
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