Topic: Don't Mess with Messiahs (Read 3610 times)

lol. Wrong person. There are a few liberals, I grant, who, rather than put up with your bile will just abandon a thread. I'm not one of them. As vicious as you get: I will remain on point--I have no need to descend to the gutter with you because as always, you  bah ha ha, I'm right. So go ahead and make your phony claims about all the charity you dispense--I'm sure you'll convince someone on the board that you do anything but sit on your asses and type your hatreds.

In the meantime, I will reiterate: these kids are here in this country, and it would take someone of contemptibly low breeding to suggest that they be deported to satisfy the racist impulses of the southerners or their acolytes.

It would be wrong beyond belief to make these kids scapegoats for their country's own problems, or the hateful racist pieces of shit that inhabit the GOP, especially down in the south. I'm sure anjy is correct that the right would be ALL for sending these kids back--but only because child labor laws prevent their corporate masters from putting them to work immediately in the fields. Sure, the GOP wants these kids to go back--there's no profit in them.

These kids are here. They should stay here. If they're kids they can be molded and made into productive citizens. Personally, I have no problem accepting any kids into this country--they don't even have be white Europeans as some in the south believe are the only human beings fit for immigration. Black, brown, red, yellow, I'm fine with ALL kids. And I am happy to see my taxes go up a tad to support them. Parents can buy their daughters a few less Barbie dolls--the prospect of what these kids face if returned being in my mind a bit less pressing than buying little missy a new Barbie. I realize that some parents think that without that Barbie, little missy will turn into a psycho, but if they're concerned about that, taking a look at their own parenting practices would probably do more than shelling out bucks for one more consumer product.

Wanna close the border? Fine. I have no problem with that. Obviously we've got a nightmare with immigration, which will be settled when the rightwingers stop running their mouths, and start holding corporations responsible for breaking the law. We're ALL in favor of getting the matter settle

It seems to me, however, that there a whole lot of people who want these children deported. Not just in the south either. However, when it is mostly the south that is being invaded by them, it would stand to reason that many southerners want them deported. People don't always care one way or another until it affect them, do they? Seems to me those folks in California want them gone too.

Why is it that some people just cannot understand that it is ILLEGAL to come into this country if you do not do it the correct and lawful way? Yet some people keep saying, "well, they are here, so let's take care of them".  It is exactly that attitude that makes them keep coming here.

lol. No you don't. You actually hate when once again a liberal points out that you are lying by omission: claiming that something is fact WITHOUT noting the mitigating factors stated.  ALWAYS stating the "unsustainable" NEVER addressing the "at current revenue levels". An honest person--such as myself--would copy the entire statement and then address my concerns about the mitigating factors: not pretend they don't exist and state affirmatively that CBO said something it never did.

But then again, I seem to be the only one on this board that gives a flying fuck about intellectual honesty anyway. You sure don't as we see above.

There are a few liberals, I grant, who, rather than put up with your bile will just abandon a thread. I'm not one of them. As vicious as you get: I will remain on point--I have no need to descend to the gutter with you because as always, you , bah ha ha, I'm right. So go ahead and make your phony claims about all the charity you dispense--I'm sure you'll convince someone on the board that you do anything but sit on your asses and type your hatreds.

In the meantime, I will reiterate: these kids are here in this country, and it would take someone of contemptibly low breeding to suggest that they be deported to satisfy the racist impulses of the southerners or their acolytes.

Meanwhile in the real world, here is Obama on top of the problem by doing nothing just like always:

WH: No change to immigrant surge strategy 'at this point'

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/211219-wh-no-change-in-immigrant-surge-strategy#ixzz36PcO5XpI

Has anyone ever talked to a drunk, or someone with mental illness, or someone brainwashed? Even when you try and discuss any subject with them they always go back to their obsession. The drunk it could be his wife, you try to steer them back to another subject and their right back to their wife. Same goes for all mental illnesses. After a while maybe you chuckle to yourself and say see ya later

Same thing here with Obama. It's sad, because it says one day there will be enough mindless mental cases that will give rise to pre WW2 Germany .

I love when some leftwing dumbass actually tries to argue that we aren't headed for insolvency because more money would fix that!  Let me guess...Obama's unicorn isn't paying his fair share?  But once he does it will solve the problem of unfunded liabilities which are multiple times more than the entire wealth of the planet?   

Hilarious.  A progressive beat down of ACTUAL PERSONAL charity from people who do nothing themselves but vote money out of others pockets, and rarely for THIS countries children.

Make that pathetic.

Please, keep going.  It's entertaining. 

  The fact that you would respond to me with mockingly throwing out words like "how pure and noble" is telling.  It takes neither of these things to lift a finger to help someone, and I'm proof of that.  You see those things as something unrealistic and something nobody really does; that's not my reality at all.  In my world, flawed, normal, everyday people do these things as part of their lives.  It's unfortunate that you don't have that experience.

Better yet, why don't you take some of the tax money liberals like myself give to you to take care of your mom, since you will be damned if you'll spend any of your own, and go buy a dictionary for me. And, in the meantime, before gifting it, look up the following words, which followed in the CBO statement your word "unsustainable", as in at current revenue levels. It has been pointed out to you 40 million times that the statement was that current spending was unsustainable at current revenue levels. Yet you always manage to forget that part of the phrase.

Been spending too much time with your intern of late to forget that one word does not in this case the sentence make?

lol, except my claims are borne out by the fact that NO ONE on this board or any other has EVER heard me bitch about my taxes, and I specifically said above that I'd be happy for my taxes to be raised.A little bit of honesty goes a long way, anjy. Admitting your problem--southern racism--is the first step towards addressing it. No, no, don't thank me, as you say above, we all have to do something beyond paying our taxes, and in that vein, even as do you, I consider it my duty, anjy, to help folks like you get into the new century. Hell, I'd be satisfied with you getting in the 20th century, come to that...you still appear stuck in Alabama, circa 1840. 

No, not shamed by what we do...which imo as I've already said is not special but instead my pleasure and my obligation...but by what you don't do.  You'd rather pay your taxes and assume it is therefore someone else's problem. That's fine and your choice of course, but it makes you look sort of stupid when you accuse those who actually do of not caring or worse.

It's exactly why I feel not the LEAST obligation to bray about any charitable actions or donations on my own behalf.What, rigon, you expect me to spend time in a pissing contest as to who makes the most donations or gives the most time? With someone I have not ONE way of comparing myself honestly to, since I know what I do, but have only your claims as to what you do?

To the contrary,  every one of you blowhards know what frauds you are and it makes you squirm to have it pointed out.  I mean really.  Just how insecure do you  have to be when the best you can do is mock someone for their charity or their business?   


Pretty damn insecure.

One thing the government could think about is keeping the kids here and sending an equal number of fixed income seniors away. I'm sure lots of folks would be willing to move back to their homeland if they could still get a check. The government could even save more money by doing col decreases.

Obviously, you pile a boatload of tourists with ssi paychecks on the beach, you're going to have to provide some security...

Here's a example of how "nothing is being done".

SAT JUN 28, 2014 AT 10:57 AM PDT
Mexico, Obama Administration taking action on migration of unaccompanied children

The New York Times ran this editorial on June 16: Innocents at the Border. I have only minor disagreements with the content, but this editorial attracted 506 comments, and almost all of them were negative, along the lines of “Deport them. Deport every single one.”

This issue is a mine field for Democrats running for Congress this year. The Republicans have tried to get some traction with Benghazi, Obamacare, and “invade Iraq (or Syria, The Ukraine, Crimea, whatever)” and it isn't working. The Republicans desperately need an issue they can win on, so I would be surprised if they didn't turn their noise machine loose on this one.

Let's start with a fact: according to the Border Patrol, three-fourths of these unaccompanied children are coming from Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador, not Mexico. They, of course,
have to travel across Mexico to get to the US. This is dangerous. They hitch rides on freight trains, and are crime targets. They place a burden on Mexico's social services (see below). So, a regional approach is required to deal with this situation, and that is exactly what the Obama Administration is pursuing. Vice-President Biden went on a tour a couple of weeks ago to meet with Guatemalan President Ottawa Perez Molina, Salvadoran President Salvador Sanchez Ceren and high-ranking ministers from Honduras and Mexico. He also talked to Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez on the phone. President Obama has responded by phoning Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto. The same group of Central American leaders are taking up the issue at the Ordinary Summit of Heads of State of the Central American Integration System (SICA) taking place in the Dominican Republic. Another top-level meeting has been organized in Nicaragua, to take place on July 16. And, just so that nobody gets the impression that this is all just talk, the Obama Administration has deported 27,140 Guatemalans so far this year.

Mexico's government is actually doing something, as well. The Mexico City newspaper La Jornada published an article on June 27 by Fabiola Martínez, En lo que va del año, México ha rescatado a 10,505 niños que viajaban a EU (“So far this year, Mexico has rescued 10,505 children traveling to the US”). Here's a translation:

At the end of 2014, Mexico will have rescued 16,000 children who were traveling through its territory to the United States, according to the Institute for National Migration (INM). Precisely 10,505 have been “rescued” so far this year, a 7.4% percent increase over the 9,727 rescued in all of 2013. INM warned of an increased northward flow of children, which is described by those responsible for Mexico's migration policy as a “humanitarian emergency”.

The Secretary of the Interior has proposed to his peers in the region (United States, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras) to immediately put in effect an information campaign to discourage children from leaving their homes and make it clear that crossing to North American countries will not mean that they will be accepted as immigrants.

This proposal was raised by Mexico after a high-level meeting in Guatemala last week, and will be ratified today in another regional conclave on the subject.

The INM said that in the past nine months, state and Federal authorities have broken up 35 criminal gangs and have arrested 330 people suspected of assaulting undocumented migrants.

The National System for Integral Family Development (DIF) is dealing with children under 11 while their immigration status is resolved. They handle either the assisted return or the granting of refugee status in Mexico, and run detention facilities for those between 12 and 17 years. They use the word “rescue” for these processes.

Since 2007, the policy of the Child Protection Office has been giving priority to family unification and the physical, emotional and psychological well-being of children in turning them over to relatives.

Yesterday, Under Secretary for Population, Migration and Religious Affairs Mercedes del Carmen Guillén Vicente traveled to Managua, Nicaragua, to participate at the 19th Regional Conference on Migration. The measures proposed by Mexico will be voted on by the delegates of the participating nations.

The main points are: addressing the problem with shared responsibility, operational support to comply with any agreement of the leaders of the nations participating in the upcoming summit of the Central American Integration System, and discouraging minors from leaving their communities.

In addition, they will share Best Practices of repatriation and intensify training of public servants for care for unaccompanied migrant and repatriated children.

well, of course, we only have their own words as to the immense generosity they display...but understand there's a clear strategy behind their words. The idea is to suggest that charity can do the job, both in this instance and at home, so that government shouldn't ask them to pay taxes for these issues. But of course there's no guarantee that they either ARE contributing with the immense generosity they claim, what we have are people asking us to believe that their private charity is sufficient to accomplish our social goals, without a single evidence of proof of that generosity now or later.

It's a laughably lame attempt to get out of paying for this society's responsibilities, and is waaaaay too easily seen through for what it is: greed and lack of compassion for others.

Yes.  I'm also sick to death of the constant bleat from cons that nothing is being done!  NOTHING!  OBAMA'S inviting team (BECAUSE THE 'ILLEGALS' SAY SO!"
Honestly, these people are brainless...and proud of it.  They actually work at it.

The constant illegal invasion of undocumented peoples entering the country doesn't stop because no one wants to get behind any effort to stop it. Some states need the cheap labor they provide and no politician wants to lose the legal Hispanic vote. There is no easy answer to a problem that has been allowed to get out of control for decades. Placing thousands of our military troops along the border with Mexico may not be constitutional and Berlin-like walls don't work. A general amnesty may be the only logical answer for those already here along with monetary assistance for those willing to return to the land of their birth and working with the Mexican government to stop the invasion on their side of the border. One way or another its going to cost a great deal of money and until we are ready to pay for it....nothing will be done.