Topic: Don't Mess with Messiahs - page 3. (Read 3610 times)

So what we have here is yet another in a never-ending series of "this is not Obama's fault".  Then whose fault is it, pray tell?  Is this guy, or is he not, the (unfortunately) head of this country?

I keep asking, if nothing is his fault, is his underlings do not seek guidance from him and continually fuck up, why doesn't this genius get rid of them and find competent people?  If this always falls on some rogue, low-level employee, why is the head (unfortunately) of this country not doing one of the jobs he is being paid to do and cleaning house?

If he has no responsibilities, why are we employing him?

This is a typical leftwing strawman...just look how every one of you nimrods is engaging in it.  NO ONE is denying the Repubs are guilty of the ills of immigration too.  THEY ARE.   But this border crisis is NOT a result of not passing comprehensive reform nor will it address how to fix it...that is complete and utter horseshit.  TO THE CONTRARY this crisis is a direct result of Obama creating the impression of amnesty coupled with his expansion of the welfare state coupled with an absolute lack of real border security.    ON ALL those he has been demogoguing in his arrogance and this parade of kids is a DIRECT result of that. 


It is beyond idiotic to blame the GOP for why these kids are coming.  WTF is the "do nothing" GOP offering that would bring them here in droves?  No, sorry, but this one is square on the shoulders of the Dear Leader as the polls clearly indicate.   And he has known FOR MONTHS and has done exactly nothing about it.   

No, I don't.   Because as polls show, he is even less competent.  Even Bush knew how to build a bipartisan coalition by starting with key cosponsors with ongoing WH access whom he did not demean in public regularly like an asshole; Obama is petulant whining disengaged child/king who only cares about appeasing his rich cronies.   One of the major lessons that was discussed back then, and which the Dear Leader OBVIOUSLY did not learn then or after foisting the partisan Obamacare on the nation, is these massive comprehensive bills are a disaster. 
No, actually it is not bullshit.  It is most necessary part regardless of any of the rest, both in terms of immigration and real national security.  We've already tried amnesty without this component locked down and OBVIOUSLY it has not been successful.    Without this NONE of the rest matters and this is well understood by your beloved fascist stooges who are dependent on these illegals to help build their permanent underclass.   And I don't just mean of brown folks.   

Have you look at recent polls?  Americans are actually favoring LESS immigration altogether.  Because they are VERY aware that there are fewer jobs for Americans as a result, both unskilled and skilled, at a time when there aren't enough already.  The irony of all ironies being the hardest hit of all are blacks.   

He let reid make that decision, also I believe he had enough confidence in himself to believe he could find a way to work with republicans, and then reid telling him well what if they gain control. So I'd agree he miscalculated just how vile republicans were, his weakness was having a good nature .

oh, hell, I'd love to repeal the two term limit and shove him back in their faces a third fourth and fifth time just to see their heads explode. I've hated the sicker rightwingers--and we know who they are, no names need be mentioned--that drag this forum down with their vitriol and sick spittle, op after op which assumes, imputes and desires the WORST possible motives all the time, claims every outcome the WORST ever, it's just gotten so tiring. But I'd happily shove him right back down their throats and put up with all their bullshit still just knowing how much they hate, on a daily basis, the fact that the President is black.

I think he started out enjoying it because he was naive enough to think republicans loved their country enough to at least help to keep it functioning. If I had to work with them I'd consider suicide.....

I think I were honest I would say that Obama is less a disappointment to me as is than he would be if I felt he were truly dedicated to my values. Because I said on this forum that he needed to go to Reid with all his popular support and tell Reid to change the cloture vote to 56. That would have prevented the type of obstructionism that Republicans started immediately. It was a chance lost. I'd almost feel better if he purposefully passed it up in obedience to 1%er orders, rather than that he truly desired the same things you and I do and missed the chance through bad judgment. Because he had a real chance to accomplish that fundamental transformation he spoke of. Bitterness or cynicism are my choices: I think I am opting for the latter.

My take is the way he has almost personally went after al-queada tells me he has balls, even though he has the SS and all, to knock off the top leaders like that, as vicious as they are, knowing he still must travel is ballsy. I honestly think bush the daddy's boy was afraid of them, that's why he went after a country, less personal, and it's what his neo-con uncles told him to do

but seriously, just out of spite I will always say nice things about Obama as long as the nutjobs never say anything nice about him, it's the Libra in me

it is said of Giovanni d'Medici, when elected Pope Leo X, that he quipped: "God has given us the papacy: let us enjoy it."

I felt like Bill Clinton enjoyed the Presidency. I felt like George HW took it as a duty, and enjoyed it because he enjoyed duty. I felt like George W enjoyed it because it gave him a shred of self esteem (even if he knows it was stolen) he was deprived of lifelong. I felt like Ronald Reagan, at least while still conscious, enjoyed it. I felt like Gerald Ford didn't, and don't blame him, I felt like Nixon enjoyed it thoroughly because it allowed him to use the ideas in his fertile brain.

But I don't feel like Obama enjoys being President. I don't feel like he's got any real passion in his soul, and maybe it takes a bit of passion to be a good president.


The worst thing I ever felt about Obama was when I heard about that sentence in his memoirs, "I chose my friends very carefully..." Even at a young age, due to his background, he was lived a life of self-repression, where he had to behave in certain ways to keep in good with the eyes of others...carefully choosing his friends to make sure that his persona didn't suffer in the eyes of those who mattered.


It takes huge self-discipline to construct a persona like I think he's constructed: one composed almost entirely of being the guy people want to get ahead. And I think it takes a lot out of a human being, he is the closes approximation to a Vulcan.

And much as I like the Vulcans, I also have a great fondness for the Minbari: a good question would be which would make a better President: a Vulcan or a Minbari of the warrior caste!

lol, well, I'm gonna have to part ways with you there.

I waver between saying, of Obama, "he did as much, or more, as could be expected given the opposition and the state of the country when he took over"

and

"it would be nice if he had a set of balls. Since he hasn't shown any in his Presidency, then he has no one to blame for the Republicans being so hostile and obstructionist but himself."


hmmm...and I should note, in my darkest moods, I think that the man and the entire Obama Presidency have been a red herring thrown at us by the 1%ers to distract us from the real issue facing the country: the 1%ers.

My first problem, for the record, with Obama came with his flipflop on campaign funding, and I said even then I thought it showed a certain expedience that spoke to a lack of character. My second problem came with Rezko, because I think that incident showed that as soon as he got into a position to profit from the perks of power, he jumped at it. And my third problem came with the vacant look in his eyes as he stood there in Grant Park accepting the presidency as he destroyed McCain: I said then and still believe "there is no there, there."

I grant that Obama has faced probably the worst, most disgusting, vilest, evillest, opposition--and they're almost all on this board!--that any President since Lincoln has faced. But Lincoln faced greater crises, and triumped: Obama is, to quote the hackneyed phrase, "no Lincoln", hence can never be the greatest president this nation has ever had.

My response is far more directed at the tone and tenor of the sick southern rightwingers on this board,zolace. But the fact is that George W couldn't get immigration reform past Republicans in Congress--honest to god how do you expect Obama to do so?

FIRST the border? That's bullshit. It's just a tactic to stall serious addressing of the internal issues of immigration, first and foremost of which is your beloved corporate profits being so dependent on those immigrants.

Trying to blame the ills of immigration on Obama when even the Smirking Chimp couldn't make the GOP see reason is really falling short of the mark.

no, but I'm thinking of getting one because I think he's the greatest president ever ........

Speaking of a waste of typing.   Don't you have an Obama poster on the ceiling over your bed to stare at dreamily, sana?  Don't let me keep you.  

The only concession I would make is this: as far as I'm concerned, any parent that put their child on a plane forfeited his/her rights as parents, so I wouldn't have the slightest issue declaring this a humanitarian crisis, to which the normal rules of immigration do not apply, including those allowing family members to join them later on. Then I'd let each kid decide for himself after 3 years (or right now if they wish) to return to his own country.

I'm sure I'll lose on this issue, because who the fuck cares about a bunch of kids who never did anything wrong. Much better for the rightwing wing sick southerners to bleat bleat bleat about how we have to toss them all up.

well novi and zolace agree, novi finds an issue he disagrees with Obama on, and zolace disagrees with Obama no matter what he says or does, See novi no need to explain to him or any phoneycons how you view the president, it's a waste of typing time .

It would be wrong beyond belief to make these kids scapegoats for their country's own problems, or the hateful racist pieces of shit that inhabit the GOP, especially down in the south. I'm sure anjy is correct that the right would be ALL for sending these kids back--but only because child labor laws prevent their corporate masters from putting them to work immediately in the fields. Sure, the GOP wants these kids to go back--there's no profit in them.

These kids are here. They should stay here. If they're kids they can be molded and made into productive citizens. Personally, I have no problem accepting any kids into this country--they don't even have be white Europeans as some in the south believe are the only human beings fit for immigration. Black, brown, red, yellow, I'm fine with ALL kids. And I am happy to see my taxes go up a tad to support them. Parents can buy their daughters a few less Barbie dolls--the prospect of what these kids face if returned being in my mind a bit less pressing than buying little missy a new Barbie. I realize that some parents think that without that Barbie, little missy will turn into a psycho, but if they're concerned about that, taking a look at their own parenting practices would probably do more than shelling out bucks for one more consumer product.

Wanna close the border? Fine. I have no problem with that. Obviously we've got a nightmare with immigration, which will be settled when the rightwingers stop running their mouths, and start holding corporations responsible for breaking the law. We're ALL in favor of getting the matter settled.

But these kids are here now, and I haven't the slightest interest in sending them back to their countries like little fucking pingpong balls to satisfy the disgusting freak southern GOPhers.

It's really that simple. Taking out your immigration--brown skin--problems on kids is really fucking dragging the bottom of honor and decency, and anyone who would suggest the same is worth shit in my book.

What part of the news do you ignore.  Most apparently.  It was the tea party that stopped immigration reform and we would have fences and more border patrol.  So  you  all can blame the republicans.

You wish.  But I made my point...this is just another mess made by the Dear Leader for which you don't think he or you bears any responsibility.   But just a reminder for you....most do:
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/063014-706916-americans-blame-obama-on-immigration-irs-iraq-ibdtipp-poll.htm#ixzz36HVIJAKm
Moving it around to do what?  Specifically.