I have never said I do not want illegals deported . I have said it is a complicated issue with variables. Made more complicated with our byzantine immigration laws (domestic and international) and policies that Rs don't want to fix or even address, but do want to continue to bitch about (Obama's fault!). Now I realize that variables is something you don't do, or can't (you're a champ with the snide non sequiturs though) ....that is not my problem.
Well, being as how it is so complicated and all...and being as how you think the folks who don't want them in California are assholes...and being as how you want to blame it all on the Rs....why don't you explain to me why one of the variables that you do can't be you taking in some of the kids? 
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I have never said I do not want illegals deported . I have said it is a complicated issue with variables. Made more complicated with our byzantine immigration laws (domestic and international) and policies that Rs don't want to fix or even address, but do want to continue to bitch about (Obama's fault!). Now I realize that variables is something you don't do, or can't (you're a champ with the snide non sequiturs though) ....that is not my problem.
Well, being as how it is so complicated and all...and being as how you think the folks who don't want them in California are assholes...and being as how you want to blame it all on the Rs....why don't you explain to me why one of the variables that you do can't be you taking in some of the kids?
I have never said I do not want illegals deported . I have said it is a complicated issue with variables. Made more complicated with our byzantine immigration laws (domestic and international) and policies that Rs don't want to fix or even address, but do want to continue to bitch about (Obama's fault!). Now I realize that variables is something you don't do, or can't (you're a champ with the snide non sequiturs though) ....that is not my problem.
Right now we've got a bunch of Cliven Bundy wannabes forcing buses loaded with immigrants..women and children and teens - on their way to detention in California from Texas forcing them off the road to turn around. It would not surprise me if we see gunplay on the freeway. Because freedom and liberty.
Well heck. We already have more illegals than everyone else and since you want them here, you keep them. With all your empathy and money should take a few dozen right into your home. Do it.....
"Because freedom and liberty" .That's a good enough reason to close the border for me.My freedom and liberties are being seriously encroached upon while Washington plays ping pong.
Right now we've got a bunch of Cliven Bundy wannabes forcing buses loaded with immigrants..women and children and teens - on their way to detention in California from Texas forcing them off the road to turn around. It would not surprise me if we see gunplay on the freeway. Because freedom and liberty.
Well heck. We already have more illegals than everyone else and since you want them here, you keep them. With all your empathy and money should take a few dozen right into your home. Do it.....
Despite all the funds used with high walls, etc. We still have no border control lol.
Such a waste of money.
Such a waste of money.
Right now we've got a bunch of Cliven Bundy wannabes forcing buses loaded with immigrants..women and children and teens - on their way to detention in California from Texas forcing them off the road to turn around. It would not surprise me if we see gunplay on the freeway. Because freedom and liberty.
Their behavior is outrageous - and totally Un-American. They just shit on the very fabric of what America is made of. Right now we've got a bunch of Cliven Bundy wannabes forcing buses loaded with immigrants..women and children and teens - on their way to detention in California from Texas forcing them off the road to turn around. It would not surprise me if we see gunplay on the freeway. Because freedom and liberty.
Well heck. We already have more illegals than everyone else and since you want them here, you keep them. With all your empathy and money should take a few dozen right into your home. Do it.....
It's bullshit. You know, and we know, that if he "pushed" anything to the congress they'd fold their arms across their collective chests and say Nope. Not gonna do it.
Which of you can claim one single person who does NOT think that the flood of illegal immigrants, refugees, whatever label you want to give them, pouring across the border is NOT a problem? That's the accusation, either said or implied, that I keep reading here.
The president sure as hell knows it's a problem....he has deported more than any previous modern president, including George W. Bush ...est. nearly 2 million. He HAS "tightened security"...again, beyond anything any previous president did. The sitting on their thumbs Congress sure as hell knows it's a problem. They just won't do anything except squirm on their thumbs and blame it on the president.
Enough with the Dream Act blaming. It was a common sense, compassionate, humane solution to path to citizenship for those under-30s who have been here since childhood and know nothing else except for all intents they ARE Americans. That it started a false rumor mill in Central America is no one's fault except the rumor-spreaders.
The president is doing all he can within the constraints of the executive. HE CAN'T ALLOCATE THE MONEY to "militarize the border" by phone or pen, HE CAN'T PASS THE LAWS - some of these are international law - HE CAN ONLY FOLLOW THEM, AND HE CAN ONLY SIGN THEM after they are passed by the congress. Nothing has been passed, and word is nothing will be. HELLO???
If he takes further exec order action, you'll howl. If he doesn't, you'll howl. Either shut the fuck up or get down to the border and start shooting...men, women, teens and kids. You first.
So sick of this useless carping, just to carp.
The president sure as hell knows it's a problem....he has deported more than any previous modern president, including George W. Bush ...est. nearly 2 million. He HAS "tightened security"...again, beyond anything any previous president did. The sitting on their thumbs Congress sure as hell knows it's a problem. They just won't do anything except squirm on their thumbs and blame it on the president.
Enough with the Dream Act blaming. It was a common sense, compassionate, humane solution to path to citizenship for those under-30s who have been here since childhood and know nothing else except for all intents they ARE Americans. That it started a false rumor mill in Central America is no one's fault except the rumor-spreaders.
The president is doing all he can within the constraints of the executive. HE CAN'T ALLOCATE THE MONEY to "militarize the border" by phone or pen, HE CAN'T PASS THE LAWS - some of these are international law - HE CAN ONLY FOLLOW THEM, AND HE CAN ONLY SIGN THEM after they are passed by the congress. Nothing has been passed, and word is nothing will be. HELLO???
If he takes further exec order action, you'll howl. If he doesn't, you'll howl. Either shut the fuck up or get down to the border and start shooting...men, women, teens and kids. You first.
So sick of this useless carping, just to carp.
Enjoying the kool aid? This "my guy can do no wrong" attitude about politics is a big part of the current problem in this country.
Right now we've got a bunch of Cliven Bundy wannabes forcing buses loaded with immigrants..women and children and teens - on their way to detention in California from Texas forcing them off the road to turn around. It would not surprise me if we see gunplay on the freeway. Because freedom and liberty.
Yes, you are always very serious until you were shown to be wrong or can no longer make your point. Then come the posts with no other content aside from personal attacks and insults.
If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
Depends entirely on what the bill says. Returned immediately under what conditions, under which agreements and guarantees by their own governments?If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
Bills are debated and revised on the floor. But first they have to be brought to the floor!
That bill would exactly zero to mitigate this border situation. Obama, hrumpting about that, is now going to use his phone and his pen to....um....er....uh....he'll let you know.
And you know what...it's going to continue to be pointless until and unless every single teabagging asshat is voted out on his can.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/
Yes, you are always very serious until you were shown to be wrong or can no longer make your point. Then come the posts with no other content aside from personal attacks and insults.
If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
Depends entirely on what the bill says. Returned immediately under what conditions, under which agreements and guarantees by their own governments?If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
Bills are debated and revised on the floor. But first they have to be brought to the floor!
That bill would exactly zero to mitigate this border situation. Obama, hrumpting about that, is now going to use his phone and his pen to....um....er....uh....he'll let you know.
And you know what...it's going to continue to be pointless until and unless every single teabagging asshat is voted out on his can.
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Because really, the important thing is whether the president has actually deported approximately 2 million, or only approximately 1,678,392 depending on how they're counted. Don't you know. Now where's that emoticon.
Dishonest. If you take away the inflated counts, deportation is actually down under this president. You can try to make that sound as flippant and inconsequential as you like, but for a person who was just trying to argue that this president has deported more than any other president in modern history, you should probably just stop already. Yes, you are always very serious until you were shown to be wrong or can no longer make your point. Then come the posts with no other content aside from personal attacks and insults.
If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
Depends entirely on what the bill says. Returned immediately under what conditions, under which agreements and guarantees by their own governments?If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
Bills are debated and revised on the floor. But first they have to be brought to the floor!
That bill would exactly zero to mitigate this border situation. Obama, hrumpting about that, is now going to use his phone and his pen to....um....er....uh....he'll let you know.
Yes, you are always very serious until you were shown to be wrong or can no longer make your point. Then come the posts with no other content aside from personal attacks and insults.
If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
Depends entirely on what the bill says. Returned immediately under what conditions, under which agreements and guarantees by their own governments?If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
Bills are debated and revised on the floor. But first they have to be brought to the floor!
Yes, you are always very serious until you were shown to be wrong or can no longer make your point. Then come the posts with no other content aside from personal attacks and insults.
If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
If you had to only post on topic, I tend to think your head would explode eventually.
Back to the topic. Would you support the change to the trafficking victims protection act cited in the article in order to allow these kids to be returned immediately? Do you think that your representatives will, or the president for that matter?
Please, point me in the direction of where talks have occurred in which we declared point blank that these kids were being returned immediately and then those talks were followed up on to show that we are serious. I'm dying to see them.
Strawman. What I said (meant anyway) is that we are pursuing diplomatic solutions with these countries. I've read numerous accounts of American officials in talks with these south and central American countries.
You're looking for simplistic 'solutions' (because really, you're a simpleton)...and you're not going to get any. Especially if your representatives don't represent anything except their party.
You forgot to add AFTER he VOTED AGAINST IT under Eisenhower.
Your example, is one explanation of why our friends in the south seem to hate our federal government so much.
It forces them to stop discriminating, forces them to allow Blacks to vote, and add to that, it allows Black and White folks to marry each other. Lawdy - no wonder they hate our government so!!
Please, point me in the direction of where talks have occurred in which we declared point blank that these kids were being returned immediately and then those talks were followed up on to show that we are serious. I'm dying to see them.
Strawman. What I said (meant anyway) is that we are pursuing diplomatic solutions with these countries. I've read numerous accounts of American officials in talks with these south and central American countries.
You're looking for simplistic 'solutions' (because really, you're a simpleton)...and you're not going to get any. Especially if your representatives don't represent anything except their party.
You forgot to add AFTER he VOTED AGAINST IT under Eisenhower.
Your example, is one explanation of why our friends in the south seem to hate our federal government so much.
It forces them to stop discriminating, forces them to allow Blacks to vote, and add to that, it allows Black and White folks to marry each other. Lawdy - no wonder they hate our government so!!
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