Topic: Don't Mess with Messiahs - page 5. (Read 3610 times)

If the goal is to change the rules so that these kids can be returned to their home countries immediately, I predict the right will be on board.  Want to make any predictions about your side?  Because if there's resistance to that rule being changed I don't think it's so crazy to predict that it comes from someone on the left, Jackie.  And as the article linked in the OP points out, pushing for a change to this rule hasn't been Obama's focus at all.  
You forgot to add AFTER he VOTED AGAINST IT under Eisenhower.
Your example, is one explanation of why our friends in the south seem to hate our federal government so much.  

It forces them to stop discriminating, forces them to allow Blacks to vote, and add to that, it allows Black and White folks to marry each other.  Lawdy - no wonder they hate our government so!!

 
Strawman.  What I said (meant anyway) is that we are pursuing diplomatic solutions with these countries.  I've read numerous accounts of American officials in talks with these south and central American countries.  

You're looking for simplistic 'solutions' (because really, you're a simpleton)...and you're not going to get any.  Especially if your representatives don't represent anything except their party.

Please, point me in the direction of where talks have occurred in which we declared point blank that these kids were being returned immediately and then those talks were followed up on to show that we are serious.  I'm dying to see them.

You get so busy being smart alecky, counting nits to make some kind of 'score' (which escapes me, whatever you think you're scoring) that you don't seem to realize the nits are on a giant diseased rat....and is not  named Obama.  It's called Congress.  The Republican congress.

I disagree.  We are not securing the border to the best of our ability, and I have seen no details about talks with these countries in which we are taking a hard stand and letting them know that these kids will be boomeranging right back home. 

And to your "you don't just pile them into cars and wave goodbye," apparently we do.  Only we send them further into the United States rather than back to their country.  Apparently bussing them to wherever we want them is not the problem.  We're doing that now.  We're just going the wrong way.

What you want wasn't what I asked you,  and those things are being done already to the best we can do.  I asked you what you are asking of your Rep. congressman...have you been in touch?   Was "Please pass an immigration bill" - or at least bring one up for vote - anywhere in the communication?  Once these people are HERE,  there are complicated measures.  You don't just pile them in rail cars and wave bye.

Forget the numbers then.  F... the numbers.   Tell us what you're telling your Republican congressman to do.
Nothing informs the electorate about how sick and diseased the right wing has become than letting conservatives speak for themselves.

Well that's all well and good, unless of course you're going to go around touting those inflated numbers to make your case.  You can't argue that he's deported more than any other president, then get upset when it's pointed out that this isn't the case, and then say that it isn't for you to worry about if the numbers are inflated.  lol.  Well I mean you can, but...

No I do not think that  3 year old knows why and what they are doing.  But their parents did.  Can you imagine the anguish the parents must feel when the only way for their kids to have a life is to be separated from them.  It must be hell in those countries if a parent would let them come without them.

He stated clearly that the priority was going to be deporting those with criminal records, or known to be a threat to public health and safety, anjy.   Also, the ones "caught" would seem to me to be a good place to start, n'est pas?

Where would you have preferred he start?  With the toddlers?

Really, whether political flaks are fudging the numbers with technicalities in order to bump them for public consumption is the kind of thing that conservatives obsess over; not me.   I know as I write this that the president and this administration are sincerely doing all they can, despite these batshit conspiracies you people seem to live to immerse yourselves in.

Look at who is bringing them .  This is human traffic, money changing hands, using desperate people as their pawns.   $ From these corrupt government officials to the cartels to the coyotes.  Round and round.

Who's murdering their own kids? And do you really think kids possess the wherewithal to undertake something as dangerous as immigrating across the third world alone?

The people who count in the “removals” numbers (which is what administration flacks mean when they boast of “deportations”) are legal immigrants who’ve committed crimes or illegal aliens caught inside the country

and novi,if you're going to argue that this president is doing more to lock down the border and deport illegals, you need to actually argue with facts and not whine and start making personal insults when your information is contradicted.  

Damn those children, what right do they have to want to live in a country that is not killing them.  OH you righties want this country to be the same as the 3rd world countries these children are coming from. Yep our hate abortion republicans say just send them back to be murdered.

Which of you  can claim one single person who does NOT think that the flood of illegal immigrants, refugees, whatever label you want to give them, pouring across the border is NOT a problem?   That's the accusation, either said or implied, that I keep reading here. 

The president sure as hell knows it's a problem....he has deported more than any previous modern president, including George W. Bush ...est. nearly 2 million.  He HAS "tightened security"...again, beyond anything any previous president did.    The sitting on their thumbs Congress sure as hell knows it's a problem.  They just won't do anything except squirm on their thumbs and blame it on the president.

Enough with the Dream Act blaming.  It was a common sense, compassionate, humane solution to path to citizenship for those under-30s who have been here since childhood and know nothing else except for all intents they ARE Americans.  That it started a false rumor mill in Central America is no one's fault except the rumor-spreaders.   

The president is doing all he can within the constraints of the executive.  HE CAN'T ALLOCATE THE MONEY to "militarize the border" by phone or pen, HE CAN'T PASS THE LAWS - some of these are international law -  HE CAN ONLY FOLLOW THEM, AND HE CAN ONLY SIGN THEM after they are passed by the congress.   Nothing has been passed, and word is nothing will be.   HELLO???

If he takes further exec order action, you'll howl.  If he doesn't, you'll howl.   Either shut the fuck up or get down to the border and start shooting...men, women, teens and kids.    You first.

So sick of this useless carping, just to carp.