Draftking fined $19k for a player's $0 win after 20,000 spins on a slot game

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on September 11, 2024, 07:59:18 AM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 09, 2024, 06:04:40 PM

The real question everyone should ask here is why in the world would anyone play a game 20,000 times after never winning once lol. I mean we all heard of and probably chased some losses but dang that's another level. I hope that person gets help and takes the $19k back as a gift. That's brutal from draft kings though I'd never play the slots there again.

It's not worth it.

This casino should be charged more than just 19k because the numbers of people affected is very high, I was expecting six figures in fine, not 19k, they have caused pain to these gamblers and made them lose money too, this is an unfair justice.

I have never heard of the name draftking before, I am guessing it is a less popular casino? If people are not winning on a casino it is a bad idea to mainly focus on such casino because you might fall into similar situation and probably no one will figure it out.

The mistake that this person made was not stopping after several losses, I can gamble for months without winning because I use so small amount and also gamble twice in a week, but once it is taking several losses then it is time for me to try another platform out.

This is what on my mind too on which why its really just been charged too small basing up on the violation or cheating that they are doing? I wont really be believing that they will not really be that wary
about on the issues that they do have in regarding about continous winnings on which as an owner or even the provider would really be that impossible that you cant be able to notice.
They had just set out which is really just too small and there's a tendency that they will really be that doing it again or some similar situation because they've known that it is really
just that too small when it comes to penalty. It would really be that recommended that they will be setting out much high which is in between 50-100k on which this is something should really be enough.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 09, 2024, 06:04:40 PM

The real question everyone should ask here is why in the world would anyone play a game 20,000 times after never winning once lol. I mean we all heard of and probably chased some losses but dang that's another level. I hope that person gets help and takes the $19k back as a gift. That's brutal from draft kings though I'd never play the slots there again.

It's not worth it.

This casino should be charged more than just 19k because the numbers of people affected is very high, I was expecting six figures in fine, not 19k, they have caused pain to these gamblers and made them lose money too, this is an unfair justice.

I have never heard of the name draftking before, I am guessing it is a less popular casino? If people are not winning on a casino it is a bad idea to mainly focus on such casino because you might fall into similar situation and probably no one will figure it out.

The mistake that this person made was not stopping after several losses, I can gamble for months without winning because I use so small amount and also gamble twice in a week, but once it is taking several losses then it is time for me to try another platform out.

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Quote from: dansus021 on September 11, 2024, 12:50:30 AM

Draftking fined $19k for a player's $0 win after 20,000 spins on a slot game Damn I would sue the company too if I win 0$ after 20.000 spins. Dude it literally a 20 thousand spin but Im also curious to the gambler itself why he still insists to play with the drafting after those spins and tons of money have been thrown up.

Tho how much money he spent and is it worth it 19K for those 20K spin I mean if you bet 1 dollar per spin you still need 20K USD right

He also got $3.5k from the game provider, probably, so Grin

But it's still outrageous, I agree.
Gamble only in reputable places.

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Draftking fined $19k for a player's $0 win after 20,000 spins on a slot game Damn I would sue the company too if I win 0$ after 20.000 spins. Dude it literally a 20 thousand spin but Im also curious to the gambler itself why he still insists to play with the drafting after those spins and tons of money have been thrown up.

Tho how much money he spent and is it worth it 19K for those 20K spin I mean if you bet 1 dollar per spin you still need 20K USD right

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Quote from: Hatchy on September 10, 2024, 10:06:04 AM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on September 03, 2024, 04:46:13 PM

Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?

I guess even after they were being fair and returned back the funds to the players who were affected, the regulators still had a reason to fine them. I can say but, it was their fault in the first place as they were supposed to be familiar with their own system and back test it for bugs regularly. Wonder why the game provider didn't get the biggest fine as he was the one responsible for the development of the game. We can't actually tell who is being fair here but then with this Incident, I guess more developers would be focused on fixing their codes properly and not just creating problems for others and them selfs...

Regardless of how much the fine was, the important thing is that both of them were fined. At least the regulators are doing their job to protect the interest of gamblers. If there had been no fine and just an apology, it wouldn't have sent a strong message to the gambling industry that negligence has consequences.

Even if a game is highly secure, bugs in the system can still happen sometimes. Unfortunately, in this case, it favored the casino, which resulted in losses for the gamblers. However, the issue was identified, and the money was returned. So, there's no need to blame the casino, as there was no scam, and they corrected their mistake by paying for it.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on September 03, 2024, 04:46:13 PM

Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?

I guess even after they were being fair and returned back the funds to the players who were affected, the regulators still had a reason to fine them. I can say but, it was their fault in the first place as they were supposed to be familiar with their own system and back test it for bugs regularly. Wonder why the game provider didn't get the biggest fine as he was the one responsible for the development of the game. We can't actually tell who is being fair here but then with this Incident, I guess more developers would be focused on fixing their codes properly and not just creating problems for others and them selfs...

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Quote from: Coyster on September 10, 2024, 04:30:31 AM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 09, 2024, 06:04:40 PM

The real question everyone should ask here is why in the world would anyone play a game 20,000 times after never winning once lol. I mean we all heard of and probably chased some losses but dang that's another level. I hope that person gets help and takes the $19k back as a gift. That's brutal from draft kings though I'd never play the slots there again.

This was not from a single person, the 20,000 spins was collectively from 522 players in Connecticut, if you read the link in the OP, you'd get it. Though one player that agreed to speak to the news platform played around 400 times, and according to the news he was gambling with a minimum of 10 cents. Each player got back all the money they spent playing the game, as there was never a chance of them winning. It is crazy, but i think i believe the platform that it was a bug, and i have given my reasons in my earlier post here.

Still, the mental effect of this is stressful to those who played the game. If they just paid back the exact amount the gamblers gambled then I think it's not fair.
Let's be real, we feel that frustration when we are on a losing streak and I bet most slot players do experience this a lot. What more when you weren't able to win straight until everything is gone? I mean for a thousand rolls there must be something that should come out because the RTP does exist in every slot game and I bet the player is expecting something in return which is why he will keep on betting.

I think they paid really low for this. They must have some kind of bonuses for those guys or free bets just like what other reputable online casinos does whenever such a problem occurs. I remember Sportsbet.io gave something in return to the players when something wrong happened on their website months ago. That's good business.

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That fine is way too little for such big mistake. I'm curios how the regulator will control those companies. This is pretty huge and caught after 20k spins, but imagine on 95% payout game, someone manipulates it to be like 80%

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Quote from: Coyster on September 10, 2024, 06:22:39 AM

Quote from: Natalim on September 10, 2024, 04:40:26 AM

Even if the casino claims it's a bug and refunds the gamblers' bets, there's still some damage done. That's why it's justifiable for the regulator to fine them.

Yes, there's damage done, complete waste of the customers' time, one they could have used to play in a different platform or another game in the same platform, at least with a chance of winning something. The $19,000 fine and the $3,500 for White Hat is fair and it should stand as a deterrent to other platforms, to make sure they check their systems regularly for bugs, especially one of this kind that can hurt their reputation in the industry and make them lose customers.

Complete waste of time for part of the costumer experienced that also imagine the stress he get for that situation occur to him. Imagine for 20k spin he didn't get a single win and that is totally complete fuck up on his side.

But I'm so amaze the level of patience what that gambler have since if this situation happen to other gambler for sure when they encounter 10 to 20 time losing streak they immediately quit.

Still its good experience since he notice something bad happening and this has been reported to the authorities then the owner fined also everything has been corrected on the casino side.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 09, 2024, 06:04:40 PM

The real question everyone should ask here is why in the world would anyone play a game 20,000 times after never winning once lol.

Nobody is asking because it was mentioned exactly in the article:

Quote from: Koadharber on September 10, 2024, 05:55:41 AM

They should have returned those funds that have been affected by the said bug because that will really be giving out that big impact in regarding into their reputation on which we know that this is really that indeed bad to the business and $19k fine won't really be that a huge amount in exchange of their reputation in compared when they really tried out to argue about there no bug or simply make up some argument that they aren't wrong or have refused in regarding the incident.

They have!!!
They've returned the $23,909 wagered, the casino was fined $19 000 and the game provider $3,500.

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 09, 2024, 03:50:13 PM

Draftkings must be a low level casino because only 19k fines and 24k damages? It is best to stick to larger, more well known casinos. These small fishes will only mean trouble and could lose you your money.

Low level casino? Lol!
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/dkng
A 4 billion in revenue casino is a small fish?

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Quote from: Natalim on September 10, 2024, 04:40:26 AM

Even if the casino claims it's a bug and refunds the gamblers' bets, there's still some damage done. That's why it's justifiable for the regulator to fine them.

Yes, there's damage done, complete waste of the customers' time, one they could have used to play in a different platform or another game in the same platform, at least with a chance of winning something. The $19,000 fine and the $3,500 for White Hat is fair and it should stand as a deterrent to other platforms, to make sure they check their systems regularly for bugs, especially one of this kind that can hurt their reputation in the industry and make them lose customers.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on September 10, 2024, 03:42:46 AM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 09, 2024, 06:04:40 PM

The real question everyone should ask here is why in the world would anyone play a game 20,000 times after never winning once lol. I mean we all heard of and probably chased some losses but dang that's another level. I hope that person gets help and takes the $19k back as a gift. That's brutal from draft kings though I'd never play the slots there again.

It's me when I play gambling in a casino and when I get 30 free spins before, I experience several winnings from 30 free spins even though it's only a small amount. Then there's 20,000 x, and even if it's said that he won only once, it still can't be considered fair, to be honest.

It's good that the gamblers who played like that complained about what they experienced, and it was proven in the end and it was discovered that there were bugs according to their investigation that was done and the funds they used were returned.

They should have returned those funds that have been affected by the said bug because that will really be giving out that big impact in regarding into their reputation on which we know that this is really that indeed bad to the business and $19k fine won't really be that a huge amount in exchange of their reputation in compared when they really tried out to argue about there no bug or simply make up some argument that they aren't wrong or have refused in regarding the incident.

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Quote from: Coyster on September 10, 2024, 04:30:31 AM

It is crazy, but i think i believe the platform that it was a bug, and i have given my reasons in my earlier post here.

I agree with that because if their intention was to cheat gamblers, they wouldn't make it so obvious. Of course, sometimes they let gamblers win to make the game look legit. But in this case, it's a continuous spin without any win, and that's already alarming and mathematically impossible, so it's likely a bug.

Even if the casino claims it's a bug and refunds the gamblers' bets, there's still some damage done. That's why it's justifiable for the regulator to fine them. This might also serve as a warning to other casinos since it made the news, and they should make sure it doesn't happen on their platform. Reputation is important in gambling, and if there's a bug, some people might think it's cheating, which could harm the casino's reputation, aside from the fact that they also have to pay a fine.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 09, 2024, 06:04:40 PM

The real question everyone should ask here is why in the world would anyone play a game 20,000 times after never winning once lol. I mean we all heard of and probably chased some losses but dang that's another level. I hope that person gets help and takes the $19k back as a gift. That's brutal from draft kings though I'd never play the slots there again.

This was not from a single person, the 20,000 spins was collectively from 522 players in Connecticut, if you read the link in the OP, you'd get it. Though one player that agreed to speak to the news platform played around 400 times, and according to the news he was gambling with a minimum of 10 cents. Each player got back all the money they spent playing the game, as there was never a chance of them winning. It is crazy, but i think i believe the platform that it was a bug, and i have given my reasons in my earlier post here.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 09, 2024, 06:04:40 PM

The real question everyone should ask here is why in the world would anyone play a game 20,000 times after never winning once lol. I mean we all heard of and probably chased some losses but dang that's another level. I hope that person gets help and takes the $19k back as a gift. That's brutal from draft kings though I'd never play the slots there again.

It's me when I play gambling in a casino and when I get 30 free spins before, I experience several winnings from 30 free spins even though it's only a small amount. Then there's 20,000 x, and even if it's said that he won only once, it still can't be considered fair, to be honest.

It's good that the gamblers who played like that complained about what they experienced, and it was proven in the end and it was discovered that there were bugs according to their investigation that was done and the funds they used were returned.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 09, 2024, 06:04:40 PM

The real question everyone should ask here is why in the world would anyone play a game 20,000 times after never winning once lol. I mean we all heard of and probably chased some losses but dang that's another level. I hope that person gets help and takes the $19k back as a gift. That's brutal from draft kings though I'd never play the slots there again.

It was not just one player who played that 20,000, there are a lot of them and so they go on a conclusion that it was rigged or set up wrong that's why they raise the red flag. And they are all correct that's why they are compensated by Draftking.

Maybe some of us here have played our favorite slot games for like years and never hit a single jackpot, and yet we continue to play and believed that casino is provably fair. But it's obvious that there are rare cases like this that the slot games have been set up so that no one can win.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on September 03, 2024, 04:46:13 PM

If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?

Yea it is possible but majority will be from bug or internet malfunction. Apart from that I don't think gambling site will take such Risk of manipulating the slot knowing trie well the penalty.

Slot games are fair because they only rely on luck to win, but if players spend a lot of money without a single win, of course there is a problem with the casino because it is impossible to have spent a lot of money but there is no win at all, I think that doesn't make sense. Casinos will do whatever is best for the comfort of their players because that can also affect their reputation, now if there are many players who have spent a lot of money without any wins at all, it is prone to making them get a bad reputation. In addition, we ourselves must be able to find a casino that does have a good reputation with a balance of wins and losses, even though we will not get a comparable win, at least there are other people who win when we lose so there is indeed a turnover of money that is done not only draining all the players' money without any winners at all.

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The real question everyone should ask here is why in the world would anyone play a game 20,000 times after never winning once lol. I mean we all heard of and probably chased some losses but dang that's another level. I hope that person gets help and takes the $19k back as a gift. That's brutal from draft kings though I'd never play the slots there again.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on September 09, 2024, 04:18:10 PM

You are right.
This is not normal at all, from my observations it's probably because there's a kind of system glitch that made the gambler to lose a thousands of spins without winning a single round. However, as a gambler one need to make sure that he is gambling in a reputable casino site so that whatever comes up, it can be easily resolved without any ripping from both sides. Actually, if am was to be in the gambler shoe's, I won't have such enough time to spin such a huge numbers of spins and the worst part was the gambler didn't win at all, or did the gambler spinned the whole spins with auto spin?

The gambler should use the reputable casino to make sure some reasonable win compared to the average casino sites.The target of the average gambling site is to get the money of the user and make him to loss all the funds.So the gambler again come to play to get back their loss in the gambling site.But the gambler mostly get into this trap and make loss of all their holding in the gambling sites.The play for the recovering of loss of money in the past will make the gambler more weaker person. The emotional game will make the gamblers to loss their funds.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on September 03, 2024, 04:46:13 PM

Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair?

Slot games are fair. But I can't really tell because I don't work with them. But from the information you provided, it is possible they are not fair just from the incident you explain. Though it is possible that the slot game can be manipulated and also it can malfunction. It is vise versa. But if any of them manipulate it, the federal government will look towards it, just as they fine them.

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on September 03, 2024, 04:46:13 PM

If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?

Yea it is possible but majority will be from bug or internet malfunction. Apart from that I don't think gambling site will take such Risk of manipulating the slot knowing trie well the penalty.

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