Topic: Draftking fined $19k for a player's $0 win after 20,000 spins on a slot game - page 6. (Read 888 times)

When was Draftkings not a trustworthy casinos?

It's a physical casino in United States, founded in 2012, it's not easy to open business in United States especially a casinos, so they should be a trustworthy casinos.

The good thing is the casinos refund all the money to it's gamblers, what about online casino that only have Curacao license? I really doubt if someone found a bug on the casinos, the casinos will refund the money.

You people should not deceives yourself. In long time, gamblers will still later lose. If you are gambling and not having any winning, you should know that the online slot machine is faulty and used by the casino to make more money. I have gambled using slot machines online before in many good gambling site and they are all good but if I stay longer and continue to gamble, I will still later lose. But I prefer games like Roulette, Blackjack and Baccarat and Dice which I know manipulation will not be simple because gamblers takes almost all the odds available.

There is no fair slot provider, like it or not, slot players will not have a higher chance of winning compared to the provider. But their mistake in setting the chance of winning to zero is one of the most fatal things, because how could something as simple as that escape their attention. It seems that they did it on purpose or they are not that professional in providing games to their players.

They wouldn’t be given a license if it were fake, but even after evaluation by the regulators, casino operators or providers could still find ways to cheat gamblers. So, it’s only right that when you feel the outcome is almost impossible, like what is discussed in the report, you should file a complaint with the regulators so they can conduct an investigation. The penalty was significant, and it’s just right so they’ll make sure it doesn’t happen again, even if it was just an honest mistake. However, after this, I think gamblers might look for another casino to gamble with.

that they've compensated those that were affected is enough reason to know that it's either it was a deliberately done act that they never knew people could easily discover or it is a glitch that happened without their knowledge hence the need for a compensation. Paying the gamblers back and agreeing to pay the fine will at a least help build a sort of trust on them but there are people that can never make use of such platform again. This is just one reason why it's important to gamble with a popular sport book that has good reputation and that you can easily ascertain the ratio of win to losses. This case was easily dictated because it's a physical casino. For online betting platforms that you probably don't have access to thier ann thread and can't lay a complain or you're depending on the reviews you see on the sites before making use of them, this sort of glitch can't be easily dictated since most of the reviews aren't organic and sincere.

I have never ever thought that slots games are fair(or probably fair). I don't understand the gamblers, who think that slots/dice/crash games can be fair. If the casino has a financial motive to manipulate the game for it's own financial benefit, it will most likely do it.
The case with Draftkings proves that the gambling industry needs regulation, so that the casinos get punished for scamming their players.
I know that this was a bug and Draftkings didn't want to scam their players, but it's good to know that somebody keeps an eye over the casinos. Unfortunately, the same thing cannot be said about the crypto gambling industry.

Now, I also doubt the provably fair system of the slot games because if a bug can auto set it to zero then there's chance that some casinos willingly add such bugs only so they can take money of the players. But, in most casinos no such bugs are found yet and there are players who win in slot games.

I'm also thinking that if those bugs are present in casino games then it's also possible that some hackers who may find those bugs and they might exploit such bugs to take advantage of the casinos. What would those casinos do in that case? Will they ban that player or that player might get his/her withdrawal? I think they won't be able to withdraw the money if casinos have set the bugs themselves but if they haven't set those themselves then there's chance that such players might get withdrawals.

An incredibly well thought out comment that explains in details; the reason for me creating this thread in the very first place, an issue like this indeed raises concerns about the genuiness of the games we play on online casinos, specially for those of us who are always interested in slot games, the fact that draftking knew what the issue was, but didn't mention it to the players, but went ahead to refund the players after they discovered that the issue has been reported to regulators, gives me the feeling that the casino would have gotten away with this if the regulators didn't get involved, and most of the players will blindly assume that their loses on that game was simply them not being lucky, meanwhile that isn't or wasn't the case.

Several casinos are ripping off gamblers every day without the gamblers knowing it, and it's time (like you've said) for us to start asking questions, making sure on the integrity and fairness of the games we play.

Oof. I think the game provider was the one who should've gotten the bigger side of the fine? I mean they were the ones who coded the game, not Draftking. Unless I'm mistaken about that. And to be fair, they did come clean about there being a bug (not really a bug, probably some mistake by an intern lol).

Anyway, they can and they can't be. It's for a reason why people are scared, because as you've said, providers can 100% control the things that actually happen in the game itself without letting the players know. It's why I prioritize reputation over anything else.

Good question, but no one can really know that answer for that. I mean we can check it is provably fair, but the question is how many of us are doing that in online casinos? But in traditional based? there's no method that can check it. Although in land based, it is regulated let's say by Las Vegas commission so slot machines might have been check before it goes to the public.

So yeah, maybe this is just a bug, or who knows, it was set up this way and it might go on if not for someone to raise some red flags because no one is winning. But the find is just a chump change for Draftking though, I think it should be higher than.

$19,000 fine only? Wow, they sure got away from that big mistake.

Yes. They can do that and I think every online casino sets their own odds so they can win more than the gambler and I don't think they are even worried about it.

Well, it had always been the choice for us if we want to play or not which is why we should find gambling sites that offer better house edge so that we could at least play a little longer with our money while waiting for that big jackpot to happen.
I've seen slot providers which has better fairness when it comes to RTP and I played them so many times like I was just playing tag with my money. Back and forth until I go back to ROI and I still won because I can claim a rakeback after a lot of rounds of playing.

I support the fine on Draftking because it is possible that they knew and just decided to keep mute about it since they were not the ones loosing. Casinos should also be conscious of when customers are loosing too much, because that also is not a good image for the casino.

They should be probably fair, but you cannot vouch for some casino's because they are lacking in reputation. This is a reason you should always consider gambling in reputable casino's first before you trying out new platforms.

It is possible and indeed does happen.
That’s why you have some laid down procedures to proving probable fair games and it varies between games and casinos. However, you can’t be entirely sure all the time. That’s why, you need to be very selective of the casinos you play in as, they could tip the scale in there favor at any given time. It doesn’t matter if they are a physical or online casino.

It’s crazy to think that a bug could turn the odds to zero, and even more concerning that players weren't initially informed about the real issue. DraftKing’s quick refund is commendable, but it makes you wonder about the fairness of other games. If a bug can manipulate odds so drastically, how can we be sure it doesn’t happen more often, or even intentionally? This situation raises valid concerns about the integrity of online slots. It’s a reminder that we should always question the fairness and ensure that the platforms we trust are fully transparent about their practices.

while the odds can be set to zero it doesn't mean that the game is not provably fair. you have to understand that provably fair ensures that you can prove that the result of a spin is truly random and not some predetermined outcome. anyway, sure, its could be possible that casinos might use this method to cheat but it still doesn't mean that the game is not provably fair.

It might be a bug or maybe not, no one can tell. But then if the casino can compesate the players for their losses then no one would be complaining. The truth is that these games are meant to be on the house edge. Though we assume that the algorithm would try to favor both the players and the casino. But what happens when the casino decides to tweek the algorithm? No one would tell . If the following individuals didn't make complains they may the casino would have been quite and made good profits from other peoples loss. They are supposed to run test and check their codes for bugs continuously. Let's just try to believe what they ahd said.

Good guess, it's very much possible infact I think the drafting won't have even accepted the fact that there was a bug if the event hadn't gotten to a great level and number of players who only got fortunate to get paid back because they had reported the issue already.

This kind of incidents has always been on ground but due to the fact that people can not speak out except for reason obvious as this and the number of victims it wouldn't have been possible to get the casino to pay back.

That is why it is good to use trustworthy casinos. But as for me, if I played a game for 10 times on 3 odds and I do not win a single game, I will not gamble on such site again. But on online gambling site that I am using which are the ones that have their official threads on this forum like Livecasino, I noticed there could be house edge but not to the extend of gambling and not win at all which is cheating.

It is very much possible that bugs that cause such incidents to happen can still be exploited, and one of the reasons why I believe the regulator fines such an amount to be paid by the casino is because they are not completely innocent in that incident. 
 
We just have to trust the casinos blindly, which is what we have been doing since there is no way to verify how fair the slot games are. Let's not forget that they are programmed games, which means they can be seen to produce a certain result at every given time. 

A slot player in Connecticut was said to have decided to play a new slot game that appeared on Draftking casino late August (Last month), but how ever, it was an really ugly experience after the player was said to have clicked the spin button for several hundreds of times and didn't get any winning, soon enough, hundreds of spins turned into thousands of spins, yet no winning.

According to the news, 522 other players from Connecticut also played the same game and did not get any winning after several spins, the issue was reported to regulators, meanwhile draftking had already carried out their own investigations and discovered that a bug in the game code set the game odd to zero, and for this reason, no one can win, Draftking then refunded all the players who had played the game the money they spent for bets but without telling the players what actually was the cause of the lack of winning, the game was taken down, bug fixed and then was relaunched.

Meanwhile after Draftking has refunded player who were affected a total of $23,909, the state gamming regulators slammed a fine of $19,000 to Draftking and another $3,500 to the game provider.

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Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?