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Topic: Draftking fined $19k for a player's $0 win after 20,000 spins on a slot game - page 4. (Read 888 times)

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anyway, I agree that the $19k fine is a joke, that is basically nothing to the casino. they need to make sure the casino remembers that mistakes like that have huge consequences so the incident would not happen again.

$19k is nothing for a casino, but the main punishment here is casinos reputation. While they can easily pay the fine, their reputation is ruined. I think that nobody will use that casino, because in every slot, in every game, after a several losses in a row, gamblers will start thinking that it is a bug. Or will ignore casino in general, because nobody would want to be a next bug tester with their own money. Draftking can do whatever they want now, but a smart gambler will never go to a place that was connected with cheating gamblers.
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A slot player in Connecticut was said to have decided to play a new slot game that appeared on Draftking casino late August (Last month), but how ever, it was an really ugly experience after the player was said to have clicked the spin button for several hundreds of times and didn't get any winning, soon enough, hundreds of spins turned into thousands of spins, yet no winning.

According to the news, 522 other players from Connecticut also played the same game and did not get any winning after several spins, the issue was reported to regulators, meanwhile draftking had already carried out their own investigations and discovered that a bug in the game code set the game odd to zero, and for this reason, no one can win, Draftking then refunded all the players who had played the game the money they spent for bets but without telling the players what actually was the cause of the lack of winning, the game was taken down, bug fixed and then was relaunched.

Meanwhile after Draftking has refunded player who were affected a total of $23,909, the state gamming regulators slammed a fine of $19,000 to Draftking and another $3,500 to the game provider.

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Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?

The state of the slot gaming on DraftKings raises some key concerns about fairness and integrity with regard to online gambling. In the incident at hand, there was an error in the rules of the game that meant no payout could be achieved; this meant players just could not win after numerous spins. Although DraftKings settled the issue by means of refunds to affected players, the incident raises basic questions about sports fairness. The leading casinos and game developers use Random Number Generators, and independent companies quite often conduct their audits with the aim of gaming randomness and fairness. Regulatory organizations also play an important role in maintaining control over the integrity of games. However, this policy continues to stress pointing out the vigilance and transparency that it calls for. Such flaws are not usually accidental but underline the importance of robust testing and auditing to avoid any possible misuse or exploitation in case those players are aware of their rights and choose casinos that uphold the highest principles concerning fairness and transparency for the protection of their gaming experience.

Online slots are hard to control for gamblers. Faulty implementations (due to  either wilful wrongdoing or contributory negligence) may result in the case described by OP. Physical fruit machines placed inside land based casinos have more credit in this respect  and   is why I play their  more than often. However the fact that Draftking compensated those gamblers  who were involved into reported spins is  worthy of my respect.
To be honest, they were caught already, and so they will have to pay everything, otherwise there could impact their business and those players brought the case. Although I think that it could have been settled outside of the court and pay those players and make the issue quiet. But I guess DraftKing has no choice though but to face and admit to the faulty settings that's why no players have won.

This is the gambling industry, and for me, I wouldn't put the word respect though in one sentence with this casinos as their business is making profits of out us. If there is something that we could have to look at this case is that it could have been happening for many years and casinos profiting big, but if DraftKing is not caught, for sure this is going to continue.

You raise such an important issue regarding the consequences of such incidents in the gaming industry. Indeed, being found guilty and fined may be a real blow to a company like DraftKings both financially and reputationally. Perhaps bringing this issue out into the open and making it public has been the most key component in deterring other professionals within the field.

You are justifiably skeptical about casino respect and trust. Since the main business model of casinos is to generate profit from them, sometimes this profit motive gets in the way of building player confidence. Lack of awareness invites exploitation, which, as pointed out in this article, means that strict regulatory oversight and independent audits play a great role in ensuring that the will of fair play is carried out.

Such issues, if not captured and dealt with, might persist and continue to see use and damage to trust. This case emphasizes that protection of players in gambling and ethical conduct should be pursued vigilantly. It is expected that casinos will be transparent in their activities and that regulators will continue to enforce the highest standards of fairness and accountability in the future.
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Online slots are hard to control for gamblers. Faulty implementations (due to  either wilful wrongdoing or contributory negligence) may result in the case described by OP. Physical fruit machines placed inside land based casinos have more credit in this respect  and   is why I play their  more than often. However the fact that Draftking compensated those gamblers  who were involved into reported spins is  worthy of my respect.
To be honest, they were caught already, and so they will have to pay everything, otherwise there could impact their business and those players brought the case. Although I think that it could have been settled outside of the court and pay those players and make the issue quiet. But I guess DraftKing has no choice though but to face and admit to the faulty settings that's why no players have won.

This is the gambling industry, and for me, I wouldn't put the word respect though in one sentence with this casinos as their business is making profits of out us. If there is something that we could have to look at this case is that it could have been happening for many years and casinos profiting big, but if DraftKing is not caught, for sure this is going to continue.
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Online slots are hard to control for gamblers. Faulty implementations (due to  either wilful wrongdoing or contributory negligence) may result in the case described by OP. Physical fruit machines placed inside land based casinos have more credit in this respect  and   is why I play their  more than often. However the fact that Draftking compensated those gamblers  who were involved into reported spins is  worthy of my respect.
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Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?

It might be a bug or maybe not, no one can tell. But then if the casino can compesate the players for their losses then no one would be complaining. The truth is that these games are meant to be on the house edge. Though we assume that the algorithm would try to favor both the players and the casino. But what happens when the casino decides to tweek the algorithm? No one would tell . If the following individuals didn't make complains they may the casino would have been quite and made good profits from other peoples loss. They are supposed to run test and check their codes for bugs continuously. Let's just try to believe what they ahd said.
This is a proof that continuous loses might not be attributed to bad luck alone, sometimes it could be something much more than that. Machine malfunctions, bug error as is alleged in this Drafting, case and it can be a way for casinos that doesn't have reputations to scam their customers. The bug error was detected because gamblers were having 0 wins, if there were very small wins the error probably won't have been detected, they'll think it's their bad luck. I know that there's the house edge factor but it'll be fraudulent if a casino will intentionally scam their customers.
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Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?

DraftKings does not have any provably fair games and has never claimed this in any of their marketing. This concept of “provably fair” is very rare in non-crypto casinos. Sometimes games can malfunction and as a player you can’t be entirely sure that you were not cheated out of a big win without cryptographic proof of your bet. As we can see they were fined for $19k by regulators because their game didn’t work properly. The threat of a larger fine is what helps keep them honest. If the slots had actually been rigged they might not have a business anymore.

That's right, they are not a crypto casino, but they maintain a good reputation in the gambling world. It's safe to assume that they are one of the most popular sportsbooks in the fiat casino industry. In fact, I have seen commercials during NBA games sponsored by DraftKings, and personalities like Kevin Hart are among the celebrities who probably work with them.

if we like to dig more and see the list, we can find it here https://insider-gaming.com/draftkings-ad/
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Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?

DraftKings does not have any provably fair games and has never claimed this in any of their marketing. This concept of “provably fair” is very rare in non-crypto casinos. Sometimes games can malfunction and as a player you can’t be entirely sure that you were not cheated out of a big win without cryptographic proof of your bet. As we can see they were fined for $19k by regulators because their game didn’t work properly. The threat of a larger fine is what helps keep them honest. If the slots had actually been rigged they might not have a business anymore.
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LOL the guy was really crazy to bet again and again while it was not a provably fair game

It has also caught my attention. I suppose it's due to a mixture of vice and saying: ‘it's just that I haven't been able to get anything for so long that I have to get it next time’. In the end, the normal thing happened, they reported the situation and got a refund.

It was a bug, so it's not fair to conclude that a non-provably fair game is a scam or something to avoid. Besides, DraftKings is a very popular casino with thousands of gamblers, including high rollers. They are concerned about their reputation and would likely address and correct any mistakes on their end to maintain trust with their users.
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LOL the guy was really crazy to bet again and again while it was not a provably fair game

It has also caught my attention. I suppose it's due to a mixture of vice and saying: ‘it's just that I haven't been able to get anything for so long that I have to get it next time’. In the end, the normal thing happened, they reported the situation and got a refund.
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This is a serious controversy with respect to casino slot machine's efficiency, it's so shady to think about how this kinda thing happens that worst.
Looking into that scenario of paying towards a player for that amount of money, there you could analyze how unfair it was. They brought a lot of throughts created because of that unwanted situation, happens unexpectedly. Most casino players would question how reliable is their gambling platform, and I'm sure many people would avoid this type of gambling in the long run if I'm not mistaken.
This is indeed a serious problem because it will affect the level of customer confidence in the slot machines of each casino and see when he doesn't get a win he will say that indeed the casino is unfair, even though the number of spins made up to 20k but I think a few tens of spins can also be a stigma that the casino is unfair, this will be very easy to make a big controversy in the case of slot machines.


we on a normal know that there's some level of cheating with some of the slot machines but because they do it in a way that you still win sometimes it's always deficult to tell if you're just unlucky or if there's a manipulation of any sort that's affecting the outcome of the game. The case of setting it to zero so gamblers won't win at all is the highest level of cheating that shouldn't be encouraged. Of course with this kind of narrative already at the public dorman,  if after you've played for the fifth time you don't win any of your games, it's going to push you into thinking that the particular slot machine you're using has done same thing.






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Winning in gambling in both slots a d sports games can always be manipulated by the casinos game programmers by which they decides when a player wins per time and when not to while the public would always keep trying hoping it is a game of luck but the specified casinos already has it responsible to decide your wins or looses.

I wonder if the casinos regulatory authorities does not make a test run before approving a launch for the casino for fair justifications against the players and the casinos.
So then I am not surprised that this Drafting betting casino is one caught red handed because they are not the only one running the cheats especially on non-live games but they were just unlucky to get scot-free.
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That’s a shame to experience. It is important to note that you play in a regulated, reputable casino with little to no scams or resolve problems quickly. I believe they didn’t forcefully do it, but maybe there was some bug in the system. I hope that it doesn’t happen anymore to anyone.
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This is a serious controversy with respect to casino slot machine's efficiency, it's so shady to think about how this kinda thing happens that worst.
Looking into that scenario of paying towards a player for that amount of money, there you could analyze how unfair it was. They brought a lot of throughts created because of that unwanted situation, happens unexpectedly. Most casino players would question how reliable is their gambling platform, and I'm sure many people would avoid this type of gambling in the long run if I'm not mistaken.

This slot games are unpredictable one and based on some of the algorithms.So the gamblers who want to make money from this should build their own strategies.Until he create a strategy,he never make money in the gambling site and mostly in the gambling slot games.The gamblers should understand the situation before use of the money,because everyone had their own commitments,So don’t use the money which you need for the other purposes in gambling.Because if you loss the money,it will create problem in real life.
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Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?
Good guess, it's very much possible infact I think the drafting won't have even accepted the fact that there was a bug if the event hadn't gotten to a great level and number of players who only got fortunate to get paid back because they had reported the issue already.

This kind of incidents has always been on ground but due to the fact that people can not speak out except for reason obvious as this and the number of victims it wouldn't have been possible to get the casino to pay back.
They discovered the bug and got everyone who played in that game refunded of what they spent due to the high number of losses, and they did not inform the gamblers the reason for their refund; it was when they got sued that they made it clear it was an effect of an active bug in the system.
 
They were fair enough to even refund the players their money before they raised voice, and the prosecutor is also right for billing both them and the game provider to pay some fine in order for them to line up how to manage and reduce the damage they will cause to gamblers afterward.
Of course they were fair enough to do the needful when they noticed the mistake (active bug) but for some reason I believe it's as a result of the number of participants who got to witness this event that led to their act of refund, perhaps if they were only a few people who experienced the incident I believe it would have been swept under the rugs.

I might be shallow in my thoughts but maybe it's because of where I live in, the people here can be so manipulative sometimes even to the extent of manipulating your bets and it's outcome, hence that makes me want to think that other casinos might be tricky to scam their customers in this kind of incidents.
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That's a bad Joke...

The casino had a bugged game that made the user lose $23k and they only get a $19k fine, even if they pay back the money to the user, that fine is a joke for a casino like that. And the game provider fine was a lesson, how can they cheat users and the consequence is to only pay some pennies.

What about the other users who were affected by the same game, let me guess they were the guys who paid the fine, lol.
the user didn't lose $23+k, the $23k was the total amount of all the players that lost to the bugged game and yeah, according to the article the casino refunded all the money gamblers who lost to the bugged game.

anyway, I agree that the $19k fine is a joke, that is basically nothing to the casino. they need to make sure the casino remembers that mistakes like that have huge consequences so the incident would not happen again.
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This is a serious controversy with respect to casino slot machine's efficiency, it's so shady to think about how this kinda thing happens that worst.
Looking into that scenario of paying towards a player for that amount of money, there you could analyze how unfair it was. They brought a lot of throughts created because of that unwanted situation, happens unexpectedly. Most casino players would question how reliable is their gambling platform, and I'm sure many people would avoid this type of gambling in the long run if I'm not mistaken.
This is indeed a serious problem because it will affect the level of customer confidence in the slot machines of each casino and see when he doesn't get a win he will say that indeed the casino is unfair, even though the number of spins made up to 20k but I think a few tens of spins can also be a stigma that the casino is unfair, this will be very easy to make a big controversy in the case of slot machines.

But we don't need to worry if the spins we do are still normal as usual and there are enough winnings, I think we don't need to worry about gambling or continuing it, and indeed this Draftking case is abnormal with a very large number of spins.
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It is very much possible that bugs that cause such incidents to happen can still be exploited, and one of the reasons why I believe the regulator fines such an amount to be paid by the casino is because they are not completely innocent in that incident. 
 
We just have to trust the casinos blindly, which is what we have been doing since there is no way to verify how fair the slot games are. Let's not forget that they are programmed games, which means they can be seen to produce a certain result at every given time. 
I can probably say that it's a bug because it says that it's a newly launched game, so maybe there are still a lot of game problems, I think that's more logical.
Some games that have bugs can usually give an advantage, but this gives a defeat.

Yes, we can see it by looking at the spins and habits of other casinos, whether it looks like cheating or not, as in the article, he did not have any winnings until 10k spins in the bet.
This happens in a region where they have regulators that watch every single games and check if they are fit for the market usage. I think the regulator has done a good job to sanctioning them so that they will be proactive in what they are doing next time. If there was no regulator to watch how this game is used and monitor it, due to complaints, the company would have been in huge profits now without anyone knowing about the bug. I am happen that people are able to observe the games and make necessary complaints so that this kind of game would be taken out with more strict measures to prevent the public from getting scammed.
Fortunately, you have Regulators who are alert and responsive to cases like ii so that customers get the best service from casinos that have problems with their machines.

Of course if this is allowed, the casino will get a big profit, but your region gets its own sun in gambling, and imagine if it happened in my area, of course it would not be responded to because there is no regulator that oversees gambling in my country, because here gambling is strictly prohibited, of course it will only be given advice not to gamble. Cheesy
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This is a serious controversy with respect to casino slot machine's efficiency, it's so shady to think about how this kinda thing happens that worst.
Looking into that scenario of paying towards a player for that amount of money, there you could analyze how unfair it was. They brought a lot of throughts created because of that unwanted situation, happens unexpectedly. Most casino players would question how reliable is their gambling platform, and I'm sure many people would avoid this type of gambling in the long run if I'm not mistaken.
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Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?
It is very much possible that bugs that cause such incidents to happen can still be exploited, and one of the reasons why I believe the regulator fines such an amount to be paid by the casino is because they are not completely innocent in that incident. 
 
We just have to trust the casinos blindly, which is what we have been doing since there is no way to verify how fair the slot games are. Let's not forget that they are programmed games, which means they can be seen to produce a certain result at every given time. 
I can probably say that it's a bug because it says that it's a newly launched game, so maybe there are still a lot of game problems, I think that's more logical.
Some games that have bugs can usually give an advantage, but this gives a defeat.

Yes, we can see it by looking at the spins and habits of other casinos, whether it looks like cheating or not, as in the article, he did not have any winnings until 10k spins in the bet.
This happens in a region where they have regulators that watch every single games and check if they are fit for the market usage. I think the regulator has done a good job to sanctioning them so that they will be proactive in what they are doing next time. If there was no regulator to watch how this game is used and monitor it, due to complaints, the company would have been in huge profits now without anyone knowing about the bug. I am happen that people are able to observe the games and make necessary complaints so that this kind of game would be taken out with more strict measures to prevent the public from getting scammed.
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Meanwhile my personal question is, are slot games really provably fair? If odds can be set to zero, and no one be able to win, is it not possible that some casinos might be using this means or method to cheat slot players off their hard earned money?
It is very much possible that bugs that cause such incidents to happen can still be exploited, and one of the reasons why I believe the regulator fines such an amount to be paid by the casino is because they are not completely innocent in that incident. 
 
We just have to trust the casinos blindly, which is what we have been doing since there is no way to verify how fair the slot games are. Let's not forget that they are programmed games, which means they can be seen to produce a certain result at every given time. 
I can probably say that it's a bug because it says that it's a newly launched game, so maybe there are still a lot of game problems, I think that's more logical.
Some games that have bugs can usually give an advantage, but this gives a defeat.

Yes, we can see it by looking at the spins and habits of other casinos, whether it looks like cheating or not, as in the article, he did not have any winnings until 10k spins in the bet.
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