Topic: DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned) - page 25. (Read 19918 times)

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I'll delete the drama starting now.

That old time would have been about learning and sharing because bitcoin hadn't blown up so much. People used to have their bitcoin addresses in their Sig space for tips. Now that bitcoin is money, it brings all the politics and power struggle with it. Then there is the cross-cultural aspect resulting in confusion and difference of opinions.

We all wish we were here earlier but to be honest, it isn't so bad even now.

I don't know why people blame the atmosphere here for lack of community projects. The reality is that the older bunch here just stopped giving a damn about "community" or "projects". Most "Devs" moved on to swankier things and the indie/ bootstrapped nature of the projects based on bitcoin simply died out. It was only natural for drama to fill the vacuum with projects being limited to gambling and a few mixer services.

The people who made it big here in various ways, either through escrows, collectible sales or even shilling ICOs, have eventually just vanished or stick to their own part of the jungle. Nobody really talks about actually putting effort to develop blockchain based projects or utilize the chain in some way. In fact, Vod is one of the few old members who is actually putting out things in the Project development section. It is quite false to blame the "environment" here when the reality is that the people who made it big here eventually left because of better monetary prospects outside. Mostly in employment at private companies.

There are few OGs here who can blame the "community" when its you people who stopped giving a damn about the forum. People still fighting for DT1, against spammers etc are simply doing the hard, dirty work to keep some semblance of sanity. With all due respect, save the OG nostalgia. We are not missing anything. The forum rocks and we see interesting people all the time. Ohh and yeah, the ERC-20 devs and scammers get a lot of eyeballs and traction for whatever they come up with. Its bitcoiners fault that this is not the case with bitcoin based projects.

EDIT: This response appears to be a bit retaliatory. I want to add that I don't think forum OGs owe anything to anybody or vice-versa. Just that there is no need to give up on the present condition of the forum. Exciting things still happen at the forum and they can happen towards bitcoin product development too. All we need is a bit more interest in exploring the L2 solutions.

Agreed.  OGNasty claimed he lost 99% of approx 6,500 btc, then lied about it. 



I can understand his dislike of the way the forum is moving.  More projects involving blockchain and less involving notepad and excel.  :/

Blaming Theymos for thrusting him into the angst of unknown waters is tacky.  It didn't bother OG when unknown waters allowed him to steal forked coins.  He did give back the ones Theymos asked for, but only after he got caught. 

That's interesting?  I knew what everyone knew after it was released and it was obvious how to leave a trust rating...  What I didn't know was that I was chosen as a DT member without my knowledge so that every person I distrusted (excluded their ratings from my network) for leaving dishonest ratings would team up and try to damage my reputation and the reputation of any project I choose to support as retaliation for their inappropriate behavior being excluded from the network.  I especially didn't think the person who thrust me into this position without my knowledge or approval would eventually empower these inappropriately behaving users to attack me and take no personal responsibility in the matter.  That not withstanding, I feel sorry for the users such as yourself that missed the bitcointalk golden era.  It was so awesome and everyone was so supportive of each other and willing to assist building projects.  It was such an amazing time that I'm still willing to put up with the trolling here and continue to do the right thing in the face of harassment as a thank you to Bitcoin.  Maybe had you been around for it you wouldn't be such a negative presence here and would know how to act right and encourage others to build on Bitcoin instead of trying to tear apart new users who don't behave according to your agenda.



It isn't a legendary rivalry.  Vod is a liar who trolls me because he has no life and is desperately seeking some form of relevance.  You would be disappointed with a documentary on the subject.  I spend a vast majority of my day sitting behind a screen working on various projects that are mostly non-Bitcoin related.  If it wasn't for the activity metric and lack of interesting community projects here as a result of the horrendous atmosphere that has been created, I would likely ignore him completely like I did for many years before this place became what it now is.

One of these days when the dust has settled, we'll maybe know the story behind these people and what the forum and the fights on it meant to them each personally.

OG and Vod have this legendary rivalry that keeps popping up in the forum. Lauda has now long gone. New players keep dropping in and leaving. How can one forget QS? I wish someone someday will make a documentary about it all. Hope the narrative will be how things happened and not a biased viewpoint.

Often through these debates, it has always seemed like one man's truth was another man's lie.

Also interesting that OgNasty was sending trust ratings on the very first day the trust system was announced despite not knowing anything about it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=18321;page=sent;offset=340

Interesting.  I've been here two and half years, yet I have no trouble finding information about the trust system:

May 21, 2013: Marketplace trust
January 9, 2019: DefaultTrust changes
June 11, 2019: Trust flags

That’s because I was here before it was created and no information or notification was given prior to it being created. Therefore nobody knew what it was at the time and had to search out information on it once it appeared. Thanks for also sharing your ignorance. It’s great to be attacked by people who have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about, which is how I’d describe my last several years here. So much facepalm. If only people were knowledgeable enough to realize it. You’d be better served listening to my experience and learning from it than trying to pick it apart with semantics.

The best part is that right after he says you have no experience, he proceeds to explain how his lack of knowledge of how the system works is his excuse for misusing it.

Priceless.

Lol. If you want me to respond to this, please create a topic in which it's not off-topic.

Your lack of experience on this forum is showing again.  I was never notified or told I was being put on default trust or ever given any kind of explanation of it.  There was no opting out.  I learned what DT was and that I was in it when I started being attacked for it by scammers which puts me in a unique position of easily identifying who the nefarious users on this site are.  I was confused why I was being attacked since I had nothing but positive interactions here through half a decade of daily trades/escrows, but knew all of my ratings and trust activity was honest, so I didn't worry as I assumed theymos would have my back for exposing myself and my family to hate on satoshi's forum's behalf (I now see I was used as a scapegoat).  As the years passed, more and more of these users harboring resentment for me joined up building trust connections and waiting to attack, which is what we saw as soon as theymos changed the trust network empowering nefarious users to attack those who had put in years of effort trying to keep this place from becoming what it is now.  An unsafe atmosphere that no legitimate project could ever flourish in.  

If someone like myself, who has safeguarded tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars for others without a single legitimate complaint can have their narrative changed by an alcoholic with severe brain issues who can't hold a minimum wage job and a housewife taking out frustrations from her unhappy marriage on forum users, there is a clear failure from the top down.  This is what we're seeing here and as much as you'd like to see me pull a philipma1957 and cop out on my trust to avoid personal harassment so you and your buddies can have near complete control of the trust network, I don't feel that is the right thing to do for the forum.  If I only cared about myself, sure, being in DT is a thankless job that will get your family harassed, your motivations constantly questioned, and there is no upside or anyone in the administration who will stand up for you.  Luckily for me, I've got the time, am fearless, and I owe it to Bitcoin that helped me become blessed beyond expectation to continue fighting the good fight.  If you want me out of DT, keep pushing the narrative.  There will eventually be enough ignorant users here that have been bamboozled into thinking I'm not fighting for what is right here at my own expense.  I'm actually routing for you to achieve this goal on the inside as it would make my life easier, but I will continue doing what is right, even long after I am removed from DT because my role with this account is not to act in the best interests of myself personally, or theymos, or anyone else.  I am here for Bitcoin.  

In all honesty I was quite enjoying reading the tussle to and fro so am somewhat disappointed not to find those posts here any more

I decided to not post and give my views about the issue of contention that you raised about biased trust and feedback which resulted in the profanities you posted but they had a non-English grammatical element about them and though I should not have I did enjoy reading them just due to the comical factor. It is a self-moderated thread so the OP is well within his rights to delete posts that he deems contrary to the thread subject or that he simply wants to delete but I would have kept them up for a while longer.

Why refer to the OP as an elk? Where is the correlation? You do not endear yourself to others with this sort of conduct, kindly consider calming down modifying your stance.

No we can't. Trust isn't moderated, you only have positive and neutral feedback from DT, so I see no reason any of those users should be excluded for that.

Why didn't you ask theymos to remove you from DT1 if you didn't want it?
In the current system you can very easily opt out of DT1 by emptying your Trust list. Or asking theymos to blacklist you from DT1. This won't stop you from being on DT2 though, that's still up to DT1.

So you are not just the village idiot, but also a hypocrite. You complain about your received negative and also neutral feedbacks, "all retaliatory" (although this is not the case), and yet this is what you also do.

What happened I.R.L. in February?  That's when the schism started.

No. But I admit that reading your post here was a mistake... it's becoming quite obvious that you're just pinging me for no other reason than to make more shit up about me.


That's not how it works.

Edit: grammar.

Ah, so you've watched the series "Watchmen" ??

Good.  The one who thought he was the smartest ended up causing the most destruction.

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Didn't you send a PM only a week or two back to someone or other swearing absolutely that you'd never EVER read or reply to another post of mine EVER (and then went into a long winded rant about my good self)

Be honest.

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... I was responding to the OP, so I'm on topic.

Next.

You don't have DT red trust and the neutral ones are very restrained considering baseless accusations you're throwing around, like the recent one against webtricks. It's only a matter of time until you get a fully deserved DT red trust but who cares... you're off topic here anyway.

The entire trust/flags system has gone to absolute shit. It doubled the amount of problems while presenting no solutions or resolution to the existing problem. All of my negative trust ratings stem from me being in DT (which I never asked for and wasn’t even notified of when it was implemented, long before what exists as the trust system today was put in place) and not trusting certain individuals as a result of various negative interactions. The entire DT experience for me, I would describe as someone else signing you up to run for president without your knowledge and then abandoning you once the attack ads start airing on TV.

I no longer find suchmoon interesting.  Besides, over the last few months I have studied the "why's" various users have negatives and posted those observations in this thread - I don't follow the squabbles going on in DT1 unless there's ample salt, butter and popped-corn on offer (and sadly there hasn't been any of that these last twelve months)


It looks like he's being held on DT1 by an excluded DT1-member, if he's inactive he should drop off DT at the next reshuffle.