Topic: DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned) - page 36. (Read 19601 times)

That's like seeing unicorns and world peace. KYC on Bitcointalk is more likely!

That's #2 already.

5. The user(s) who left the negative feedback WITHOUT proof and\or fictitious accusation ( like TMAN and LFC_Bitcoin ) should be excluded

0. Everyone grows the fuck up and stops using red trust in their pillow fights. I reckon that would fix about 1/3 of this list.

This user is mysterious. He was either doing everything as he planned or he really is in any kind of real life trouble. If it's the first one then this is very sad and if there is any real life trouble then I hope he comes back again and make things right again.

Good job in the OP. I will review some of the users from the list.

I've added your quote, it was indeed not my intention to treat all users the same way. Some are obvious, but most are a bit of a gray area.

You can't really hide from https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

I've added your quote too. That too was my intention, and indeed, having red trust doesn't necessarily mean someone's ratings are bad.
Example: theyoungmillionaire was totally fine, until he disappeared with a loan.

If you say any other option than


You should probably look into the difference between someone's trust feedback and their trust score.

Thanks Loyce, informative as always.

I made some overdue changes to my trust list based on these findings -- not necessarily based on just somebody having negative trust, but a lot of things:

- do I agree with their ratings in large?
- do they even leave ratings?
- have they been active at all this year?
- who is in their inclusions list?

Not going to name names, but there's a significant amount of members both new and old that seem to be using the trust system to pad their scores or place on DT. I fully expect some reciprocal exclusions to take place shortly, but to be honest I don't blame people that do that, as I don't trust people that actively distrust my judgment either.

I think in many cases its a matter of education and experience -- as mentioned earlier in this thread a lot of people just don't understand how the trust system works.

If you were allowing us to pick options in a poll I'd go with option three - having said that from time to time a user's negative against me has made its way to DT2/1 but then have slid down the slippery pole and their trust feed back as gone again.  Some of those negatives are Butt Hurt ™ members giving other butt hurt members negatives... (Naturally, there's couple of accounts I wouldn't like to see go)


Satoshi doesn't qualify for DT1 unless s/he were to post in the first couple of days of the month...  

*edit* Have just spotted you were looking at Untrusted feedback - here is the trusted stuff: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3;dt

satoshi actually has negative trust feedback.
I was also surprised. I was reading some old posts and I noticed that. Interesting enough I've even seen it red/orange (because one of the guys leaving the negative was trusted by somebody in DT or my trust list).

I think if you do option 1 or 2, there will be many user who get excluded from DT-member

Usually I saw many user get negative trust when he left negative trust from that's user.  For me, if he have many contribution for this forum and positive feedback ... that user's should not get excluded.

Better to exclude DT Member if he is scamming people, trolling, and do something stupid.


Yeah I agree with you, maybe there is a someone in this forum who hate satoshi 

Indeed. The way to go is to read the feedback, decide for yourself, maybe distrust this and that member in your own settings.

The problem is that newbies can get puzzled by all this.. and I don't have a solution (other than let them learn they have to make their own decisions).

As easy as it is to get into the DT lottery I think we could start seeing more and more users having neg trust. This person hates this guy, that guy scammed this guy, this dude pissed in the wind.

Seems like almost everyone has someone out there that doesn't like them. I would def not say of the 4 options you posted, none of them classify every situation. Would need to be on a case by case basis IMO.

I will say DogeDigital needs removed due to his moneypot fiasco that's still unresolved.

As an addition to my Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings in Meta, in which I sometimes highlight suspicious users on DT, I came up with this idea after Ratimov highlighted another DT-user with negative feedback:

The list of DT-members who have negative feedback (or are banned)
    1. 15728: TECSHARE (Trust: +48 / =5 / -1) (DT1! (0) 777 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. 18321: OgNasty (Trust: +84 / =3 / -3) (DT1! (8) 787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. 30747: Vod (Trust: +27 / =2 / -4) (DT1! (17) 1478 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. 31931: Anduck (Trust: +20 / =2 / -1) (DT1! (4) 68 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. 81995: peloso (Trust: +3 / =3 / -2) (DT1! (0) 133 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. 224980: cryptodevil (Trust: +8 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (15) 176 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. 313016: owlcatz (Trust: +46 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (19) 306 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. 1018510: Blacknavy (Trust: +7 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (0) 884 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. 1668017: anonymousminer (Trust: +33 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (6) 651 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. 13746: Technomage (Trust: +3 / =1 / -2) (48 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   11. 23324: Balthazar (Trust: +4 / =1 / -1) (305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   12. 38894: SaltySpitoon (Trust: +20 / =1 / -1) (1004 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   13. 40976: DeaDTerra (Trust: +3 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   14. 44611: silverfuture (Trust: +1 / =0 / -1) (8 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   15. 52185: LouReed (Trust: +3 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   16. 54113: BCB (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   17. 65317: bigtimespaghetti (Trust: +24 / =0 / -1) (53 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   18. 98986: TMAN (Trust: +28 / =1 / -3) (1302 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   19. 136592: devthedev (Trust: +27 / =1 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   20. 138940: minifrij (Trust: +13 / =0 / -1) (214 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   21. 315650: Dogedigital (Trust: +10 / =1 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   22. 316604: CryptoImperator (Trust: +30 / =1 / -4) (203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   23. 520313: Lutpin (Trust: +32 / =1 / -1) (820 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   24. 552507: BTCC_Official (Trust: +10 / =2 / -1) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   25. 787736: marlboroza (Trust: +12 / =1 / -1) (1387 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   26. 795961: cryptoheadd (Trust: +18 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   27. 982157: tayfundeniz Banned! (Trust:  neutral) (46 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   28. 982288: Vispilio (Trust: +6 / =1 / -3) (862 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   29. 1016855: JollyGood (Trust: +9 / =1 / -1) (565 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   30. 1831671: ugurum15 Banned! (Trust:  neutral) (22 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
(sorting: first DT1-members, then oldest accounts first)

Note that there are usually several possibilities to improve the situation

• The user with negative feedback should be excluded
• The user(s) who left the negative feedback should be excluded
• Both of the above
• None of the above

Pick wisely :D
Further reading: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

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