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I'm not swiss. And there doesn't seem to be anything open source developery about just replicating shakezula's howto process and asking for devs to (I assume) work out the merged mined bit.

I notice that the number of Devtome contributors has shot up by 40 over the last month. With this new influx of content, is any additional help needed to review and categorize articles and the like? If so I'd be happy to help out. I have very much enjoyed contributing content for Devtome over the last two rounds, and I'd like to be able to do more to contribute to the community.

    New Live Devcoin Chart Functionality - 
          - Show Prices in EUR/USD/GBP/CNY/etc currencies (we use European Bank Exchange Rates on day of trading)
          - Full Screen mode
  
 
    
 
 
         You can place this free live Devcoin price chart on your website -  http://myip.ms/info/chartbox/m/40#c

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OS Hardware Store UK - http://oshardwarestore.co.uk/ - launches today: pay with Devcoin and get a discount!

Stocking a range of tools and components for hobby electronics, open source hardware development and prototyping.

Shipping is to the UK mainland only, but I am finalizing a partnership agreement to hopefully launch a US store within 6 months.

Payment options:

• Paypal - Full Price
• Bitcoin - 1% Discount
• Devcoin - 2.5% Discount

Devcoin and Bitcoin orders will be processed by CoinPayments.net.

On launch the product range is a bit limited, but I am committed to building it up as quickly as possible. Currently you will find:

• Electronics tools
• Arduino shields / accessories
• Sensors and actuators
• 3D printing parts
• HDMI Accessories

In the future I plan to add a range of DIY home automation products and more home AV stuff, as well as increasing the range of components for open source projects and adding a few more tools. I may also add computer components. If there are any particular types of product you would like to see then please feel free to post a request here and I will see what I can do.

Up until the end of March you can enter 'coinzen' as a discount code at the checkout to receive an additional 2% discount (1 use per person, no minimum order amount, discount applied to final price including P&P).

Why would he be developer of devcoin? devcoin != glaricoin, bitcoin maybe but I thought they needed multiple projects before being considered bitcoin devs.

Not realy, orgcoin is not switzerland related like glaricoin is, but download the glaricoin-qt client and you will understand Anyway we got the offer from unthinkingbit that every developer that furfills one of the above tasks, will be supported as developer by devcoin.

Unthinkingbit please confirm.

Seems pointless https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4511087

Developers wanted for glaricoin https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-glc-glaricoin-start-465311

Merged Mining capability
Charity Function (11%)

The coin is build on ABCcoin described here: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=sha256_altcoin_cloning_guide&s[]=clone

To make it avalable to all comunity the procedure for both functions should be documented on devtome.

Thank you

Yes there was a simple site does this escrow service Ill see if I can find it.. i like the idea.

is there a thread or article on th economics of devcoin? the more Ithink about it, the more it seems me a solid investment.

   Some form of Demurrage or a Devcoin tax could help move the currency in a controlled manner, by distributing a specific percentage in a predetermined way For example, everyone giving 5% of their earning or like in demurrage a fixed schedule of depreciation going towards a decentralized market. it could help ameliorate the problem of lost coins in a fixed quantity currency.

It could be made within the Devcoin client, a p2p market, where your coins join the pool of  Devcoin account holders in distributing the coins to exchanges, or faucets, or even much needed projects, basically, I'm thinking of adding concensus driven government inside the client to manage the growth of the currency. we make the choices on where to distribute the funds collectively, with our combined purchasing power we could open up new markets for Devcoin.

Maybe even start making automation rules for the currency to react in a specific way to changes in the network, we would have to figure out how to transfer into other currencies probably through OT, simply signing a transaction record on the OT server into the Devcoin blochain on a transaction can give us p2p exchange capability. All the customer has to do is download the OT contract, redeem it at a local Devcoin exchanger, sign the transaction when receiving the funds and walla, p2p exchange.

I suddenly realized it could be easier than we think to create  a distributed exchange when using OT and simply creating verifiable in the blockchain OT receipts. We could even build OT into Devcoin! for not just money transfers but for deeds, and property rights.

We can have a product that no other crypto currency has yet... simplicity, ease of use , accesibility, and extreme flexibility, I think we can create a craigs list exchange market on the Devcoin blockchain using OT.

Their is a ancient system called Hawala, that is very similar to this, an informal payment system, it could be funny to apply a similar system for blockchain property rights. They do it with phones and if you have the right code they give you the money, how hard can it be to buy goods over the blockchain? List your stereo, mark it's serial number hash in the purchase transaction to escrow, pick up day comes, the person with the receiving code unlocks the escrow transaction, transaction is made with OT receipt both parties have a permanent receipt with property rights contract transferred into the blockchain.

I can see myself purchasing something quickly over a Blockchain based marketplace, buying it online for friends and family to receive, near or far, from the comfort of my cell phone, assured that only their signature can unlock the purchase transaction, pre-paid goods over the blockchain. I figured it's not that hard when you realize all a Blockchain is, is a shared synchronized database.

"Devcoin is an ethically inspired cryptocurrency created in 2011 to support open source projects by programmers, hardware developers, writers, musicians, painters, graphic artists and filmmakers worldwide."

This direct quote from the official Devcoin website can be seen as "unethically"misleading then.  I'm not disagreeing with Nova on this, just pointing out that some people may see this as mixed signals of what the website says and what the forum decisions are.  I love and appreciate the chance, as a writer, to be involved with DVC and I'm here for the long haul regardless of the direction it takes, but if it's not going to include artists and musicians, then it should clearly say that and not draw these people under false pretenses as well.

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ASCMDVCPT Important update

Fuzzybear

I replied to your post on coinzen. Your comments are a bit harsh and if you'd followed my opinion on this issue for a while I don't think you'd aim them at me. I'm not going to bother copying and pasting, but I'm not suggesting anything yet again - I'm questioning the remit of CC as it already exists for devtome and the bulk of devcoin distribution, and contrary considerations for other arts that seem to be justified when a strict open-source requirement is applied.

My entire reason to be here and interest in Devcoin is 'to support open source developers'. Any 'coincidence' is only because I am actually bothered that Devcoin moves forward with that aim, rather than persuing interests in maintaining a system that pays out to a self-selected verbose subset. You're directing such views and claims of unethical at the wrong person when I've been basically making the same argument forever.

It originated and seemed settled, yet here it is again. Not only here but on the new forum as well. Coincidence?

It would be one of my three wishes that literature and art could fall under Open Source yet they do not. Full stop.

It is being suggested yet again that we take Devcoin, the supposedly ethical coin, and change the concept of supporting open source developers? That sounds very unethical to me. It is my feeling that other open source developers would feel the same being drawn here under false pretenses.

If one likes the concept of Devcoin and would like to support the Creative Common license in the same way then create Commoncoin instead of trying to undermining Devcoin.

There is nothing to stop folks from putting out bounties for graphics and music contributions under Public Domain and Creative Commons licenses to add to their Open Source projects. Like a game for example. They could be rewarded in DVC. Life is wonderful. But Devcoin was put in place to support Open Source developers. You know those programmers like MarkM that made the coin a reality in the first place? Now that it exists those practicing in arts that cannot even fall under Open Source want to redirect it? If that is not unethical it is hard to say what is.

- Nova

Just in case any ASCMDVCPT holders had not seen the update https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5383227

Its looking more and more like I will just ask Kumula to shut the listing down once I have bought out all the share holders. 

I am depositing more DVC to place enough buy orders

Fuzzybear

Thanks for the video comments (and from others).

The music, art aspect - yeah this originated from mid-last year when there was more talk about incorporating other forms. I agree true ‘open-source’ is a challenge, but I think much of the issue seems to come down to an existing conflict in the open source world of free vs open source. There are even different (stupidly different in my opinion) organisations with a separate focus. My own view is that releasing art for free, if it’s also free to change, is still better than not, if there's a sustainable model and interest to support it. But this is difficult to vet and perhaps even harder to assess objectively – e.g. what exactly is the different between sound and music, or scribbles and art; and who gets to decide that. And then perhaps ‘music’ or ‘art’ in the context of malleability is actually less valuable to to others than sound and scribbles etc...

Anyway, that’s why they’re still in the video - because I think greater inclusion, collaboration and community should be the longer term goal. Lyrics and scripts and a few photos to date, hopefully more in the future.

On the currency issue, I agree and have been saying this trend towards perpetuity would happen for a while. I don’t know what the future winning cryptos will be, but I’m pretty certain they’ll be unlimited. And by 'winning' I mean ubiquity not necessarily price. What people seem to miss is that trade requires two parties. To imagine a credit-free crypto world is stupid, and the rising real rates side of credit transactions in a deflationary asset will not be attractive when there are other options. Also to become a global reserve currency (not stating this of Bitcoin or Devcoin, just making a point) requires a position of net currency export or running a trade deficit – i.e. others need to be able to easily get hold of it, not just want it or store it.

The analogy doesn’t fully translate to cryptos except that it’s fundamental that cryptos, Devcoin get out there to as many people as possible. This is the mistake some other currencies are making - it’s very attractive to sit on savings gambling on the network effect and better timing than others, but the ‘deflation’ advantage is a mirage if others get tired of difficulties acquiring it or waiting for lower prices. This is my main reason for grumbling about devtome distribution sometimes and why I think other art forms are important for purpose and for sustainability. Maintaining an overly concentrated distribution may seem good for those getting coins, but if it’s not addressed then it’s just a punt on when everyone else gets bored of waiting and moves onto something else.

That's fine, I watched it again and I actually liked the music. The video itself is a great effort, and something I'll happily spam around.


yep, I completely agree with your observations here. The key with debasement and attractiveness in a trade currency is not solely what you can get with your money, but also how easy it is to earn more. People naturally go through bursts of saving or spending, and if too many people save at once, we get recessions and depressions and so on. People also like seeing their bank account grow, even if the purchasing power of the total account value remains the same...that's why so many people have put up with fiat for so long. I made a long post about this on the devtalk thread, for others who are interested: http://coinzen.org/index.php/topic,147.msg4694.html#msg4694

Devcoins already tick all the boxes for a useable trade currency, and all it needs is maybe a slight redefinition of target market. Devcoins have to stand on their own to survive, and we can make that happen by bringing in creative-types to the crypto world. A completely new market. I don't know how the founders would feel about this, but I'd like to hear their perspective (UTB?).

One thing I particularly liked about weisoq's new video is that he points out that all creative types are welcome - developers, artists, musicians, writers, and all for releasing stuff for the public to use for free, and this coin is helping people do that. It's basically impossible to have open source music, writing, and art in the way we can have open source code, but all it requires is a tweak in focus to realize the end goal is the same - free stuff in the public domain that people can use to make a profit.

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devtome_how_to_post_an_image