Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 218. (Read 1059181 times)

I think this is a interesting idea, your right that the people earning devcoin are going to cash out at some point. How would the cash conversion work? Would I send in coins and have cash shipped to my home? How much is needed and could this qualify as a bounty? Also would you be keeping transaction fees?
Great idea,
-AM

Yes, however, you have to put the paragraph in a separate page and include it in both places.

So if I had a page called paragraph1 containing the information I want to repeat,
then if I put:
{{:paragraph1}}
in my document it would include the content of the page paragraph1 at that point

ThinkI

Kinda more reminds me of the Federal Reserve to control inflation and what not...

Im not sure its a bank, since its not offering to hold funds for anyone (apart from investors) It would be closer to a money exchange if there is a FIAT equivalent but your comment made me think..it has co-operative elements as well.

Its boggling my brain a bit so I'm off to have a little think and try to get this down on paper. Sorry I dont have a clearer view yet but in my head first thing this morning it all just worked.. if I could just find that "Eureka" again Id be right lol

It might even work if there was a section where people could explain their skill sets and what they charge in Devcoins for work done. People who are looking for content writers could browse what writers are offering and contact them for more details. Someone could act as a Devcoin escrow service to insure that both parties are satisfied with the transactions.

This would probably be very appealing to blog owners etc...

Looking forward to the new forum



Bittzy78

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Should I revert back to the older client?

I wasn't planning on upgrading the devtome code to not count identical paragraphs. Since this is getting controversial, I'll think about how to implement it, but I'm not sure how to do it and it's a low priority for me. In the meantime copying some sentences, and the occasional paragraph, across your own devtome pages is ok. There is no benefit to word spinning your own paragraphs.


That's interesting. Is there a way to copy the paragraph without the heading?

Yes although I think it's good to discuss these things, I probably got it wrong here. The thought was that if you were the writer highlighted, I would simply state the facts and clear the air. If it was another writer, plagiarism would have resurfaced and been noted. That plan backfired so I apologise for your public airing.

ThinkI: cheers I didn't know about that

Cool yea I think if people payed others to write then you would have dual marketing one side thr writers would want to market devtome instead of keeping it a secret like what happened to the poster above with reddit and the other side where we want to market devtome to drive ad revenue. The writers will be paid more if they find a buyer and the buyer is happy with content.

I don't think the issue is dumping. A fixed number of dvc per round go out, so whether person A or B gets them - and whether they hold/sell - is irrelevant. The issue is distribution, where there may be a big skew towards a lot of dvc going to a few. Transaction choices are then determined (by them and everybody else) on the basis that a great deal of short/medium term price and volatilty risk is in a few hands.

A different option would be to incorporate a more even distribution where no particular skill/work is favoured. That won't necessarily prevent dumps and spikes, but transaction choices differ because (collusion-aside) there is a lesser skew.

However, that doesn't address non-earners who might just buy one week and sell the next, miners, price chasing etc.

Your idea is basically for a bank. I'm not sure of the practical workings for that, if only for the fact that if I know the DVC pool is a perpetual buyer at price X, what happens when I'm happy to sell at X-1 (i.e. the pool would need potentially unlimited funds).

I have updated the Syntax page of DevTome with the syntax for including a section of a different page into your current page, see:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax#including_part_of_another_page

Hopefully this will help in situations were data has to be repeated in different documents.

ThinkI

Good on ya Flam Glad you went to someone with it instead of just taking advantage of the situation.

We did have a Stories and Questions thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stories-and-questions-moderated-252709

A lot of people liked the idea, but I was the only person who ever bought a story When we're using the new forum, we'll try it again.

As I didn't saw this post from weisoq and I wasn't going to involve him if he wasn't writing about this here, now I have one more thing to say to the accusation.
One of my first guides was a  guide on Dr.Mundo. This character can fill different roles so the gameplay will be totally different but his native "skills" will remain the same. I was on my way to write the second guide on the same character but I was annoyed that I will have to copy/paste an entire paragraph. So I asked weisoq if some Tag or some code existed to cut off a paragraph from the word count script ! Weisoq answered that it didnt existed yet. He said that I will have to put some links from the original page. I wasn't satisfied with this solution as I want any guide to be a "stand alone" and so to gather the whole information on the same page. So in the end I didn't wrote the second guide at all as it will not be as "reader friendly" as I want. Maybe I will do it later with the actual solution. But i will be happy to copy paste my skill description and cut it off the count if this solution is available some day.
Weisoq also helped me a lot when I started here he gave me some guidelines to improve my quality so he may testify that I take many time to do the things right and I' m not here to abuse the project.

I think the distinction is:

• If you choose to write something about someone then they have no control over the content so should not be expected to pay for it.
• If You are commissioned by someone to write something then they will expect control of the content and they should pay for this control.
• If the content is published under the Open Source license then you can put it on DevTome.

The fact that DevTome also pays you is irrelevant.
However in the future I expect DevTome to pay less for the word count of content you were paid to produce.

So yes this is the intention: to help authors get paid in DevCoin for work and so get people using DevCoin.

Does anyone see this differently?

ThinkI

I'll repost what I said before, because I assumed that would clarify progress to the positive. Apparently not.


Flam has been totally communicative through the process. We can debate the utility of 'works in progress' but I would urge any devtome-warriors with time to browse to pick through other writings - there are several on a different plane of issues to these.

I had a quick look at this and I think some of the duplication you are measuring is due to the type of content. i.e. There is a lot of identical data, shared between the characters, being described. This is a failure of the Game not the author. I do not play the game and so I could be wrong here.
Similarly the titles of sections will tend to be the same since the documents are about the same thing (I guess).

These issues may be more obvious because the other content is not easily accessible to a native English speaker. I have had a lot of experience reading English work by non-native English speakers and it can be quite painful to unravel. Typically the same bad sentence structure is repeated over and over because the author only knows a few ways of expressing themselves. Given the content I would expect this to be painfully obvious to someone who knows what they are looking at.

So yes there is evidence of templates but they are a product of the language skills of the author as much as anything else. Combine this with the subject matter which seems to have large amounts of identical data in it and I can understand why you would complain.

If this were a native English speaker then I would suggest they work more on the differences between characters in order to give each document some originality. Since it is not a native English speaker I would suggest they also pick up some story books for an age range they are comfortable reading and look at how the author changes the sentence structure to make the story flow in a more interesting way. In this way they can increase the number of ways they have of expressing themselves and reduce the template feel of the documents. I would also suggest they read their work aloud, as if they were talking to a friend about the subject, and changing it to improve the flow and pick up their enthusiasm for the subject matter.

So the question is, should we penalize people because they are not native English speakers or should we help them improve there English?
This fellow seems willing to improve.

ThinkI

I was advertising on here and Reddit, to write up Bio's for developers/artists on Devtome, (also to give me fresh material) but then I got a message from a Reddit reader saying it wasn't right to charge people to write on Devtome because Devtome pay me...so I stopped, focussing on reviews instead. Its a moral grey area I think, I didn't mean to break any rules, and to be honest wasn't sure what they were.....but easier to stop than get harassed.

Is this what you mean, or do you mean something different?

Another thing about the copy paste accusation  for the skills

One of the "bad habits" I have is to post my article first then I read them once or twice as I don't like to do this from the preview and then I correct the spelling on my own. I do this with the goal to learn and improve. Only after this I put my article in a word processor for a clean paper. So please check all the old versions I posted correcting my spelling and grammar many times and tell me it's copy paste here too.

Oh well what is ocd ? The duplicated lines from summoner spells are still here. I let the admins doing their work but for the other things I'm fine with it.
You can think it's standardised at some point but it's not copy paste as you say. For the skill desrciption  copy/paste accusation  go on it's what that takes me the most of my time. No hero have the same value from their skills it will hard to copy paste anything here.