Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 222. (Read 1058949 times)

It is them calculating in dollars. Have you ever watched what happens with coins that the masses know of no drop dead simple way to turn into fiat?

Have you noticed they always want an exchange to/from fiat first before even a place to buy coffee or food or clothing or shelter with the coin?

I assumed the gold-farmers would be looking for gold they can sell for dollars, otherwise presumably they would already be flooding into the CPU mining concept to mine gold they can sell for DeVCoins or Litecoins or Bitcoins or Martian Botcoins or United Kingdom Britcoins or Canadian Digital Notes or whatever...

For the programmers, presumably they are probably doing code-monkey level stuff to try to get some fiat, otherwise they would do much cleverer stuff heck even just doing a quick hack job on a foocoin->barcoin scale would likely make them more money faster, or being the one who hires codemonkeys to make code be more lucrative (assuming they actually have good ideas of what to have built instead of just coding skills without any idea what would actually be profitable if built.)

-MarkM-

Yes, but why do you keep on calculating everything in dollars? That's part of the dump mentality that immediately wants to dump devcoins for dollars, in fear that something might happen to devcoins value.

I have now long understood that those hilarious coins I have in my wallets are always going to surprise me when I keep valueing them in fiat dollars. So I'd better stop with that.

A devcoin is a devcoin. A bitcoin is a bitcoin. The sooner everybody accepts that the faster we will move into the future.

If the low wage workers see that others take 1000 devcoins for a similar job why should they play by government rules when they don't need to do so?
Why should they take the same differential that exists with dollars and apply it to devcoins? Why not just taking 900 devcoins instead of only 100?
If they are cheaper, they will play with the market, and not give their competitive advantage away for free like stupid slaves.

If they are clever they should derive the value of devcoins by the stuff they can buy with devcoins someplace where devcoins are accepted... (thats what we need more of)

If we pick the programs we pay people to develop correctly, western programmers should haveno  problem moving on from writing profitable programs for X dollars an hour to running profitably programs written by others for X/10 or whatever dollars an hour?

The trick lies in the design/determination of what programs will be profitable to run, not in how cheaply you can hire yourself out as a code-monkey (typing ape?), presumably.

-MarkM-

Exactly. The system should work fine on its own. Admins should only do something if there is a complaint and question etc... that would be the ultimate goal.


Yes, I understand this. But let's not forget this is the holy new bitcoin economy.

Yes, other nations are forced to use certain kinds of currencies and are used to certain kinds of government subsidised living expenses.... we have to take that into account.
But bitcoin/devcoin etc is awholenother gameplay.

Let poorer people show what they can do, and earn their living by recieving a fair and decent amount of currency. They are not stupid, and embrace new possibilities.

We want poorer people in this market, don't you agree? Why exclude them?

We absolutely need low wage jobs so that practically everyone can enter the jobmarket. That is a fantastic thing and should not be seen as a problem. In the contrary, will that not advance the open source community even more?

Also just wait... life is going to get more expensive in those countries soon.... should a big collapse of worldwide connected fiat currencies come (and I am 100% sure this is going to happen) then we will see people flock into alternative markets even more than we already see.

It is possible (and crypto price development agrees with me) that cryptos might help derive a new worldwide standard of purchasing power index, so that (expressed in bitcoins) disparities in worldwide living expenses will not be as large as they are now.
It will bring the people of the world (who are separated by their governments) together.

(What is the real cost of things? How long will we let corrupt government set price indexes of stuff we need in our lifes? Can't cryptos do a better job in that in the future?)

LOL I was talking more about selling WOW Gold or EQII Gold or whatever

I don't know, but like a lot of new software until it's more ubiquitous AV's may flag it. I didn't receive any quarantine msg but think I did initially have to permit it to run (same with some other clients) until I guess enough users of my AV were also running the .exe. I don't use eset but would assume there's an excluded processes section or similar which gives you an override option. edit: http://www.eset.sg/html/171/779

If your anti-whatever tool has a whitelist at all, presumably it will say somewhere in its help or documentation how to go about making use of it?

-MarkM-

I know it's safe but my issue is with stopping eset from quarantining it. Even if I turn it off it will still flag it later on scan. How can I whitelist it?

Tried your link too, got flagged on download.

Is something wrong with your system time? '1/2/2014' doesn't make sense whatever way round you look at it, if you're saying it's been 3 days.

Thanks, done.

bit-fxtrader: it's not an issue, but if that bothers you the 'Devcoin Setup Exe Windows32' here: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin is the one I originally installed and I don't recall any flag, although they're all built from the same source so I don't get the AV problem.

So far the Chinese are not even a visible presence in the Galactic Milieu, let alone serious competition for the Brits, Canucks and Martians, heck maybe not even for the Italians or the Ixians.

There is at least one planet upon which a Chinese civilisation exists or at least did once upon a time exist, but so far no players to play it nor even to play citizens of it have appeared.

Maybe the Chinese are over-rated, or are too blinded by trivial earnings in the now to be more than just another bunch of Johnny-come-lately folk, that is, maybe they won't arrive until people who already set up infrastructure and trade deals and alliances and so on and so on are already making good money, so that they will end up being just the dirt cheap peasants the established, landed classes/nations hire to do the grunt-work for peanuts.

It seems likely that the best profits will be made by the people who already had infrastructure and processes in place to put cheap labour to work not by the cheap labourers themselves.

-MarkM-

LOL Now you have to compete with the Chinese Miners heheh

Hence the existence of the Galactic Milieu.

I long ago realised the need for games that don't give people a hard time about doing as they please with their own characters and in-game possessions and so on, including using scripts to automate their characters.

( See for example http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=cpu_mining )

-MarkM-

Pmed fuzzybear with my application. I still need to get a hold of a dvc address. Is there a windows client that doesn't get flagged by AVs?

Have to be careful here about the TOS of the game and in-game currencies and items for external trade etc...

Yeah, I signed up when you put the link up

Assuming you mean the Cyclos instance aka DVCbank, yes try again now, I just upgraded you to full member.

-MarkM-

There are a few people doing those guides. Which specific writer are you referring to? There was already a problem with one, now resolved. If you'd rather pm me that's fine (although I'm pro transparency so have no issue with public discussion of my or other's work - others may not agree though).

Markm: I signed up for that months ago but never received anything. Should I just try again?

Okay so then all the articles about how to earn World of Warcraft gold or League of Legends gold and so on through whatever other games there are guides on should all make sure to explain where and how to go about buying DeVCoins with that game-money...

For example maybe one method if people do like this Cyclos thing as a Bank of Devcoin or Devcoin Credit Union then joining that and using its advertising feature to advertise game-gold for sale could be one possible method.

EDIT: Also this probably means we should have market-makers for such game-currencies, that is, people/places who buy them for DeVCoins and sell them for (slightly more) DevCoins... Presumably if the people writing the guides really are good at the game they are writing about they should have plenty of the game-currency thus be in a good position to act as such a market-maker.

-MarkM-

Plus we want people to buy DevCoin with their coin...