Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 222. (Read 1059181 times)

Currently I am admin but it can support designating more people as admins.

I dunno what exactly an admin can do with regards to ads.

I don't even recall what default ad-categories it came with.

What categories do we need?

-MarkM-

Just added an advert for writing user guides on Cyclos aka DVCbank.

I suggest everyone else who has signed up, do something similar (for the types of work they are interested in ).

We need some (more?) categories added to help organize things.

Who's going to be admin?
Can adds be moved?

ThinkI

I guess you need to hire people for that.

If you know you can get a field of potatoes planted tended harvested and delivered for X DeVCoins you will be in a position to predict how many DeVCoins you need to charge per pound of potatoes.

Though futures markets would also help for crops, in case the weather does you a nasty.

You'd need to contract the workers for a full crop cycle though or use futures to hedge against strikes and such as well as the weather.

By the way Namecoins and Litecoins are both on nice downswings of price on Vircurex; since both seem likely to go back up again at least once before dying completely this seems a good time to have lowball buy offers going down and down and down into lower and lower prices, wating to pick up some bargains ready for the next upswing...

-MarkM-

It's inevitable, the world still runs on fiat. The only way for people to start valuing things in terms of a cryptocurrency is to basically start price fixing things.

-- Oh what can I get with 1 thousand bitcoins? today its a car, tomorrow its a house!

needs to turn into

-- Oh what can I get with 1 million devcoins? This, this and this, priced in devcoins and it doesn't seem to change day to day...I now know what I can get when someone offers me devcoins for work...I can rely on it!

At some point, will the amount of devcoins paid per 1000 words, or per bounty, become a fixed amount? Is that easier to account? Better for creators? Not as exciting? With shares, of course, how many coins you get paid is wildly dependent on how many shares everyone gets.

Yes, but devcoin plays an important part in this coming paradigm change.

At the moment the big part of world wide population has no easy access to cryptocurrency because they have to go thru the dinosaur banking system and their insane regulations.
So they always have to use fiat to buy crypto, and it's a hurdle many are not willing to jump over.

But devcoin gives people worldwide the possibility to recieve a well established cryptocurrency by doing some task and creating something of value for the open source community.

So fiat is not needed anymore to recieve a cryptocurrency. Now your work is needed, and not government controlled fiat currency.

THAT is one of the most important potentials devcoin has.

It's like what they say about bitcoin: That bitcoins future will be absolutely bright should we reach a point sometime when many people get payed their salary in bitcoins and then go and buy things with bitcoins (and therefor pay the salary of other people in bitcoin etc)... a neverending circle of crypto bliss.

When that is achieved, cryptocurrencies will be a large part of the world economy.

Devcoin can help this process.

It is them calculating in dollars. Have you ever watched what happens with coins that the masses know of no drop dead simple way to turn into fiat?

Have you noticed they always want an exchange to/from fiat first before even a place to buy coffee or food or clothing or shelter with the coin?

I assumed the gold-farmers would be looking for gold they can sell for dollars, otherwise presumably they would already be flooding into the CPU mining concept to mine gold they can sell for DeVCoins or Litecoins or Bitcoins or Martian Botcoins or United Kingdom Britcoins or Canadian Digital Notes or whatever...

For the programmers, presumably they are probably doing code-monkey level stuff to try to get some fiat, otherwise they would do much cleverer stuff heck even just doing a quick hack job on a foocoin->barcoin scale would likely make them more money faster, or being the one who hires codemonkeys to make code be more lucrative (assuming they actually have good ideas of what to have built instead of just coding skills without any idea what would actually be profitable if built.)

-MarkM-

Yes, but why do you keep on calculating everything in dollars? That's part of the dump mentality that immediately wants to dump devcoins for dollars, in fear that something might happen to devcoins value.

I have now long understood that those hilarious coins I have in my wallets are always going to surprise me when I keep valueing them in fiat dollars. So I'd better stop with that.

A devcoin is a devcoin. A bitcoin is a bitcoin. The sooner everybody accepts that the faster we will move into the future.

If the low wage workers see that others take 1000 devcoins for a similar job why should they play by government rules when they don't need to do so?
Why should they take the same differential that exists with dollars and apply it to devcoins? Why not just taking 900 devcoins instead of only 100?
If they are cheaper, they will play with the market, and not give their competitive advantage away for free like stupid slaves.

If they are clever they should derive the value of devcoins by the stuff they can buy with devcoins someplace where devcoins are accepted... (thats what we need more of)

If we pick the programs we pay people to develop correctly, western programmers should haveno  problem moving on from writing profitable programs for X dollars an hour to running profitably programs written by others for X/10 or whatever dollars an hour?

The trick lies in the design/determination of what programs will be profitable to run, not in how cheaply you can hire yourself out as a code-monkey (typing ape?), presumably.

-MarkM-

Exactly. The system should work fine on its own. Admins should only do something if there is a complaint and question etc... that would be the ultimate goal.


Yes, I understand this. But let's not forget this is the holy new bitcoin economy.

Yes, other nations are forced to use certain kinds of currencies and are used to certain kinds of government subsidised living expenses.... we have to take that into account.
But bitcoin/devcoin etc is awholenother gameplay.

Let poorer people show what they can do, and earn their living by recieving a fair and decent amount of currency. They are not stupid, and embrace new possibilities.

We want poorer people in this market, don't you agree? Why exclude them?

We absolutely need low wage jobs so that practically everyone can enter the jobmarket. That is a fantastic thing and should not be seen as a problem. In the contrary, will that not advance the open source community even more?

Also just wait... life is going to get more expensive in those countries soon.... should a big collapse of worldwide connected fiat currencies come (and I am 100% sure this is going to happen) then we will see people flock into alternative markets even more than we already see.

It is possible (and crypto price development agrees with me) that cryptos might help derive a new worldwide standard of purchasing power index, so that (expressed in bitcoins) disparities in worldwide living expenses will not be as large as they are now.
It will bring the people of the world (who are separated by their governments) together.

(What is the real cost of things? How long will we let corrupt government set price indexes of stuff we need in our lifes? Can't cryptos do a better job in that in the future?)

LOL I was talking more about selling WOW Gold or EQII Gold or whatever

I don't know, but like a lot of new software until it's more ubiquitous AV's may flag it. I didn't receive any quarantine msg but think I did initially have to permit it to run (same with some other clients) until I guess enough users of my AV were also running the .exe. I don't use eset but would assume there's an excluded processes section or similar which gives you an override option. edit: http://www.eset.sg/html/171/779

If your anti-whatever tool has a whitelist at all, presumably it will say somewhere in its help or documentation how to go about making use of it?

-MarkM-

I know it's safe but my issue is with stopping eset from quarantining it. Even if I turn it off it will still flag it later on scan. How can I whitelist it?

Tried your link too, got flagged on download.

Is something wrong with your system time? '1/2/2014' doesn't make sense whatever way round you look at it, if you're saying it's been 3 days.

Thanks, done.

bit-fxtrader: it's not an issue, but if that bothers you the 'Devcoin Setup Exe Windows32' here: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin is the one I originally installed and I don't recall any flag, although they're all built from the same source so I don't get the AV problem.

So far the Chinese are not even a visible presence in the Galactic Milieu, let alone serious competition for the Brits, Canucks and Martians, heck maybe not even for the Italians or the Ixians.

There is at least one planet upon which a Chinese civilisation exists or at least did once upon a time exist, but so far no players to play it nor even to play citizens of it have appeared.

Maybe the Chinese are over-rated, or are too blinded by trivial earnings in the now to be more than just another bunch of Johnny-come-lately folk, that is, maybe they won't arrive until people who already set up infrastructure and trade deals and alliances and so on and so on are already making good money, so that they will end up being just the dirt cheap peasants the established, landed classes/nations hire to do the grunt-work for peanuts.

It seems likely that the best profits will be made by the people who already had infrastructure and processes in place to put cheap labour to work not by the cheap labourers themselves.

-MarkM-

LOL Now you have to compete with the Chinese Miners heheh

Hence the existence of the Galactic Milieu.

I long ago realised the need for games that don't give people a hard time about doing as they please with their own characters and in-game possessions and so on, including using scripts to automate their characters.

( See for example http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=cpu_mining )

-MarkM-

Pmed fuzzybear with my application. I still need to get a hold of a dvc address. Is there a windows client that doesn't get flagged by AVs?

Have to be careful here about the TOS of the game and in-game currencies and items for external trade etc...