Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 219. (Read 1059181 times)

But developers get paid in shares not dvc, the shares result in dvc which is volatile based on the number of people submitting that round... so there is never any stability in terms of fiat amounts people recieve, but there is stability in terms of fiat if devcoin rises to account for the higher number of shares... that is something that we may see going forward if we increase the number of writers/developers with quality content/applications. If we focus on quality, we will see good results. I think once we get around to invoices/contracts etc it is prudent that static value is considered, maybe held as collateral through the mechanism you describe so that people aren't left hanging when there is a crash for example.... its fair to both parties... if price rises one side benefits more than others, same as crashing. Essentially like commodity producers hedging with contracts on the futures exchange.

It does seem like templating, and im not sure this should be allowed, atleast pay the unique line count and not the difference?

Tenthirtyone, the cool thing about any wiki is that you are encouraged to improve pages and add knowledge to articles you feel you can improve..all that time spent copy/pasting and criticising the work, could have been spent fixing it up and making Devtome better. (I am assuming this is your agenda as it was the original point of your post about the quality of certain articles)

It seems you both write about the same topic, could you work together and maybe this would also help Flam with his English writing at the same time? (also improving the overall quality of Devtome)

It is a collaborative work and I am pretty sure your word count is about the words you type on your account, not the articles you write them on. (can someone verify this is how it works or am I doing it wrong?)

There is a misconception here. There is no dump other than the one I described. I already said it that you call it a dump because you are holding shares. And you are thinking about the economy from your point of view and not globaly. The actual price of the market is the right price and it's the case at anytime. Anything else is hope and speculation. Someone who sell devcoin as he earns them is not a dumper. What  if I am able to pay my rent in devcoin directly ? Am I still dumping ? I don't think so. So some guys come then trade DVC to BTC then trade BTC to usd then pay for things. And they are absolutely right. I don't know you but if you are a pure speculator you have to admit that some guys are not and it's totally fine.
I saw this case not so long ago on this forum about 25M dvc sold at his lowest at the time something like 0.0003 usd. Almost everyone laughed at the guy and called him a noob dumper etc... The history proven that it wasn't a good move in a nutshell but The guys here still don't know anything about this guy. Maybe he had an issue in his life and he had to sell everything or maybe he is a super trader and he switched his DVC to dogecoin and/or moon coin and he is now the one laughing, reading this thread back. Again for any fact many causes foreseeable...

Yep, you got it down. The investor platform would be a bit different, but in terms of maintaining value in all the coins I brought it up since they both do that (just in different methods and for different purposes -- the app does it in the reverse, maintaining USD->Coin value, whereas we want to do Coin->USD value).

Ok, I can see how that would work..If you bought at $100, then right now you would have around 0.12 BTC? ($100 worth of BTC, not BTC worth $100)

This could work in the same setting, but maybe more use for the investors than the users. (ie: by supporting the fund for $100 they will always have $100 worth of DVC to pull out?) Possibly with a bonus plan that increases the longer they leave the funds there?

I picture a really simple interface for the users...users deposit DVC or cash and get DVC or cash in return. From that point it gets complex lol

I will have my first Devtome payout this month so maybe I can start building the pool with (some) of that (yes I have rent to pay too!) but will have to have it at a pretty solid working stage before I can expect other investors..and it still an idea

So here is flam's data dump:

http://pastebin.com/FDmGKHmD

All I did was scrape the pages. Then Sort alphabetically and take out anything devtome puts on the page. I tried to remove the majority of your copy & paste titles (in fact I removed the majority of them) but I got fed up and moved on.

When I run wc on the alphabetized dump file it returns 32,580 words. When I hit it with uniq it goes down to 30359 (NOTE: This means you have 2000+ words that, when broken in to their own lines, are identical). That was a big catch but still felt low, especially with all the copy & paste I manually removed.

So I got creative. I took the alphabetized list and I looked at just the first 10 characters of each line. My belief was that your "template" is actually the majority of your word score.

I think I was right. Line count is: 2972,  uniq line count is: 2256. A difference of 700+. That means at least 1400 of lines I broke out of the data dump start the exact same way, saying the exact same thing.

Either you have OCD or you are just copying and pasting, changing enough wordage to make it appear unique at first.

If anyone has a problem with this, admittedly, rudimentary analysis I invite you to take a look at the data set I included in the beginning of the post and check for yourself.

(As a LoL player since beta I'm going to go out on a limb and say the majority of abilities/gains per level and descriptions you include are copy & paste too.)

I like this idea too, but the static thing doesn't make sense to me. I will have to do some math, but most of what will need to happen is offsetting volume at various levels to make sure the coins stay around a certain level. Not quite sure how to make that happen, but I am sure someone on walstreet has figured it out

I love the idea but I'm not sure how to make it work. There was (or is?) a similar app for Bitcoin, that works in a way that is like this but different. Essentially what that app does is takes the amount of money you deposit and you will ALWAYS have that much, such that:

*You deposit $100 when BTC is $100 each - you have 1 BTC
*BTC goes down to $50 each - you have 2 BTC
*BTC goes up to $200 each - you have 0.5 BTC

When you make a withdrawal/payment, it is based on how much you had deposited. So your value relative to BTC never goes up or down; it is static.

I don't know how you came with the term "work in progress" here. Again it's a bad way to use logic to try to discredit me. The funny thing is if you come to me with sophism it will back fire at you as follows: I post my paper when I judge them readable and decent to me and the readers. So it's not a work in progress. The beauty of internet gives me the opportunity to not consider what I post as a final work. And that's where it will back fire at  you a bit. It's not because I post something that meet the requirements of devtome that I won't improve it later. So here I return your poor arguement against you. Some times I'm adding more words yep, sometimes i'm rewriting things. Sometimes I'm even deleteing some sentences i don't like. This take me time and it doesn't improve my word count. Actually I'm updating my olds guide by putting some images to illustrate each skill. It accounts for 7*10 words. It takes me way more time to do that than to simply write 70 words. Call me an abuser again. You can point my mistake and I wasn't dening anything here. You can say it's some kind of cheating, you are right. You can't easily say that I had the intention of cheating. I can provide even more elements that will say I'm clearly not. I suspect you having bad intentions against me when you distort my words to try to make a point. Sorry for you but what you call a "work is progress" here is perfectionism.

I woke up with an idea but its just in thought stage.

Its about "dumping" DEVC on the market and the effect that has on value.

Im not a money market expert but from what I understand, DVC needs to maintain a certain value if it is going to be an effective way to pay developers/creators. Its a given that writers on devtome are going to cash out their DVC..peeps gotta eat, but what if we could somehoe slow the impact on the market?

So, my idea is a fund for developers/creators to be able to exchange their DVC for cash and purchase DVC for cash.

DVC purchased can be held and released to the market in a controlled way over the month (when prices are up?) and cash purchased with DVC could be used to purchase more DVC, creating a fund to pay for the costs of running the fund and (as it grew enough) to fund bounties for future works.

This would require an initial pool of DVC and cash (investors?) and I dont know how to make that profitable for them yet, but Im still thinking The fact that this could stabilise the price of DVC might be enough? not sure.

I am pretty sure Ive found the software to make this work but I don't have the knowledge to get this whole thing right and I dont even know if this is something the community wants or would support...its just an idea...still thinking, but input would be gratefully received.

Good Job Nova

The first email was posted from the developmental SMF at http://trollkeep.com/forum today. Incoming emails to @trollkeep.com is also functioning.

There is a lot of cleaning up and some templates to be created still; yet the nuts and bolts seem to be in place. There is also the Challenge–response system to be put in place for incoming emails.

- Nova

Any other solutions?  My tx is still in limbo

Challenge accepted. I needed something to do this evening. I'll start by parsing every duplicate from every article you've written =)

I don't and normally would not do this. However, gigantic walls of text drive me insane. Three lines, that's all you need to make any point.

I've never been paid once in my professional career for a work in progress. Asking to be paid for a work in progress isn't just reprehensive, it's a cheat. That kind of laziness is just mistaking kindness for weakness.

By fixing I mean products having a non-variable price wrt devcoins for a long enough length of time that allows the information to propagate the market. At the moment, almost everything is fixed to fiat. I wasn't referring to government price fixing to hold up economies, rather individuals.

But dumping isn't just related to pre-mining.

Mostly it has to do with just tellign an exchange "sell these" without telling it "at no less a price than ______" (fill in the lowest price you are willing to accept).

Basically if you sell to an existing buy order you consume buy side depth, but if you instead place a sell order on the sell side buyers have to buy from you instead of you selling to them, and it is the sell side not the buy side of the order books that gets consumed, so the price used by all the profitability sides market cap sites and so on is not driven down.

Dumping is thus smply dumping your coins onto the buyers instead of placing an offer on the sell side waiting for them to come to you.

Often there is a large gap aka "spread" between the highest buy offer and the lowest sell offer, so you often get a significant amount more for your coins by placing them on the sell side too, as you are above the "spread" instead of driving the bottom of the "sread" even further downward.

-MarkM-

And this is the reason I don't post about others on the public board, there is always something behind the story, I figure UTB will be in the know or will figure it out.

Hi,

I' m the author of these guides. First you are right it is the case for 4 guides on 5 as I checked. But it wasn't done on purpose. I try to enhance my guide every day and this mistake is related with the structure off my work. When I create a new guide I edit an old one then I delet everything to start from the same template. Everything but the summoner spells section because this is where I copy paste the tag to link some images. I did it first on this section and then I copy paste the link from here to everwhere I want an image on my arcticle. Then I replace the old links with the new ones. So I forgot constantly to delet the description beside the link that's it.

Now you may have to choose the strenght in your words with caution because at the end I may will not be the one feeling bad. First I will rewrite these asap but if you have some time please check my total word count and tell me how much the duplicated sentence are compared to the total. Then you can come at me again speaking about abusing the system.

Also I strongly disagree with your opinion on my guide. As I said I'm enhancing them day by day. I have to say I'm not here only to earn "easy shares". I'm also here (and that's the first reason) to write a better english and that's why you can't come saying it's copied from anywhere or please prove it (but the numbers/values ofc). Everything I'm writing comes from my experience on the game as it the best way to improve my writing.

So I can say some of you guys are pretty narrow minded. I will mark your words on the "dump" thing (another nice conclusion with no clue at all btw). You have to know that if someone is paid shares to write on Devtome it's his right to sell and take the money when the paycheck comes because it's how you do when are paid for anything. So you can't call it a dump. In crypto currencies a dump is a specific term heavily related to premining. Some guys launch a coin premine with 0 diff then put some hype on the coin to  dump it later. It's a dump because not everyone knows about the premining and the whole information isn't available for everyone. That's a dump. On devtome someone selling after receving his share is normal. Keeping the shares is already an investment. There is now dump at all...
Otherwise it's an abuse of language, as it is when you find me disgusting before I come here to explain myself. As it is when you say I'm abusing devtome when I put some time to do things properly and as it is when you spit on the quality of my guides when I think I put original work here. If you think the quality is poor please feel free to post better things than me. I try to improve them on a daily basis and it will continue.  That's also something you can check looking at the old revisions.

So please the next time you draw (easy) conclusions maybe think about more than one cause for a fact first. It may help you overall.

One thing with Ashop is the penny auctions seem to be anonymous.

You click on "register to bid" and all it asks is your bid code and a nickname.

Not sure how they plan to later be sure who used which nickname.

Unless the bid codes are tied to the username who bought them and the so caleld nickname is expected to match that username or somesuch.

-MarkM-