Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 223. (Read 1058949 times)

I like this one for user guides and similar. No-one cares about copyright, in fact copying is good,  and DevCoin can do the hosting for the guide. If the whole open source community used DevCoin for user guides then publicizing DevCoin would no longer be necessary. But there still has to be some payment from the person commissioning the work. This is to get the editors role (so you can make changes before publishing, ask for a redraft etc) and to make it worth the writers time compared to writing something else and publishing that on DevCoin.

ThinkI

Speaking of specific articles or types of articles wanted for Devtome, it might be useful if people would write guides to how to most productively play various aspects of the Galactic Milieu game(s), maybe including for example how to rake in the most DeVCoins in the least amount of time, or the most DeVCoins per month, or the most DeVCoins per year or somesuch.

It is not clear how teaching people to go play some game that does not support DeVCoin helps DeVcoin whereas maybe the more people who play games that do incorporate or support DeVcoin or that are useful for earning DeVCoin the better?

Obviously such articles would best be written by people who have themselves made good DeVCoin by playing, so in a way this idea of writing such articles is as much a suggestion as to how players could make even more DeVCoins (write about how you made DeVCoins playing the game(s)) as to how authors could make even more DeVCoins (play the game(s) well enough to turn a profit...)

Right now I am still in the midst of getting my new datacentre set up so now is not quite yet the time to rush over and start playing the game(s) but I thought a heads up could be useful anyway since the power corporation already scoped out what is needed to hook up the power so the electrician is presumably even now in the process of setting up the wiring.

-MarkM-

There are three categories or classes of commissioned writing I expect:

One, you want Devtome to contain a certain article that does not exist. This might for example be because your own articles need to be able to refer to such an article in order for your own articles not to get bogged down in explaining background stuff that would be better explained in a separate article and maybe by someone better qualified to write on that other topic. In this case the author will get paid by Devtome, all you need do is convince them to to so.

Two, you want a particular article for some other site or some other use, but do not mind if the author also places it on Devtome. Since any article placed on Devtome becomes free open source, this is really the same as number one above. You might be thinking well I need this article and yeah I do not care if they also put it on Devtome but really, if they do make such an article on devtome as in number one above you can then grab the article anyway, so this number two option is really just a different way of thinking about that same old number one option. You have to realise that everything on Devtome is up for grabs so maybe you don't need to commission an article for yourself, maybe you can commission one for Devtome and then, like any/every other Devtome article, grab it for your own use.

Three, you want an exclusive, an article written just for you, one you maybe have no intention of releasing as public source and maybe even that you want to white-label, that is to pretend you wrote it yourself aka you want a ghostwriter to write an article for you. In this case the author will not be getting any pay from Devtome so it is up to you to pay whatever you need to get get the author to write for you instead of for Devtome.

-MarkM-

Good to hear that we can change your point of view Sidhujag.

My account is now active and I can login so all appears well. I received an email about the activation by the way.

We will need some redecorating of the site so that should be one of the first jobs listed. How to arrange a Bounty for this?

I'm not sure what user material there is but I am guessing an edit is required as minimum. So that's the first writing job.

We will need something to show in a press release. An example of what can be done with this new resource. Anyone got any preferences on subject matter. The press release goes to publishers who are potential buyers of content so it should be something that catches their imagination. For web developers the fact that all the upgrades were commissioned trough the service should be sufficient proof of the value of the service.

We need a Bounty for DevCoin sponsored work. Not large but large enough to make it worth doing compared to some other writing that the author could be doing.

We need to consider how to reduce the current writer payments to fund the Bounty and the impact of that.

We need to ensure every writer signs up

We need some guidelines for writers so we keep standards up to an acceptable level.

We need a way of linking to an authors work in DevTone so potential buyers can see the standard they will get. That should help keep the standards up without too much enforcement work. Anyone doing a Cut and Paste  for 'free' DevCoin will live to regret it.

We also need to consider the effect of double payments one from the person commissioning the work and one from DevCoin. Since DevCoin is effectively subsidizing the content for another organization as long as its Open Source. Should DevCoin payments be lower for externally commissioned work?

Any thoughts?

ThinkI

Moneychanger now can fire up a "main menu" window, with that I am able to use it fine even though there is still no sign of a so called "system tray" on my desktop(s).

If the "main menu" does not appear, and you cannot find your "system tray" to find the icon to use the menu that is on the icon, you will need to kill it some other way (such as control-C in the text terminal in which you started it, or via kill command if you started it in background from an applications menu or whatever) and do "touch ~/.ot/knotworkpigeons" (or whatever your operating system's command/method of creating an empty file named knotworkpigeons in the data directory used by Open Transactions) and start it again. The existence of that file will force it to open the "main menu" window.

Presumably when this is all packaged up into an installer the installer should take care of creating that file or whatever is by then needed to force the menu if when installing it one tells it one needs such a menu to be coming up by default.

The main menu includes "Quit" so the kill stuff should not be needed once you are able to use the menu to kill it. (Merely killing all the visible windows does not kill it since it resides in the so called system tray even when it has no windows visible.)

As for Java, there is a java GUI client, it was intended for developers and for testing the system because it had everything (that so far existed back then) whether grandma would want so many complicated options or not, It was great, it was pretty much the only time I have ever bothered even using a GUI at all for anything that can be done from a command-line. It still exists but is not named Otapi-J to free up the name Moneychanger for re-assignment to the QT GUI client.

Clients for Android and iPhone are distinct/separate, one apparently does not run the QT client on phones.

I do not know whether the Otapi-J, the so called "test GUI" client, would run on a phone or not, maybe on any sufficiently advanced phone it would work "like magic"?

I do not know what Monetas might have over and above what anyone else has. Though I thought they were going to be offering an "Enterprise grade Open Transactions Server" so maybe that might be what they will be or are working on first before any potential making of new/different clients?

One big horror story floating over Open Transactions lately though is Fellow Traveler has threatened that he thinks all the IDs for everything should not really be hashes like they are now, they should instead be hashes that include some kind of checksum like Bitcoin Addresses do, to help detect whether they have been mis-typed if humans type them in or mis-pasted if humans paste them and suchlike.

If he does that, he claimed, all existing IDs as of that time would be obsolete and there would be no migration mechanism to migrate everyone's nyms, accounts, server IDs, asset IDs and so on over to the new system that has the checksums.

So basically all the years of people opening accounts and creating and issuing assets and all the years of balances that servers have been maintaining perfectly balanced will all in one fell swoop be useless for us in Open Transactions, everyone will have to stick with the old executables for however many years it might take for everything to eventually find its own way item by item across to the new system, likely with some holdout grandmas stuck in old system until they die and their heirs and assigns dig up their old accounts and arrange to get the assets from them and translate the assets over to the new system so as to access what she left them in their wills.

I expect it might be safer not to let grandma even use the system at all until her very first original nym and account and the assets she uses with them are all already using the new system.

Obviously since I have years of data entry involved in my server's years of accumulated assets, nyms, accounts and balances, and also reasons for not wanting to try to move to new different asset and server contracts at this time, I very much hate this idea of obsoleting all those years of work. I doubt grandma would enjoy trying to migrate all her stuff either. I expect as I indicated that it would end up being up to her heirs and assigns to try to access it and move it after she is dead.

-MarkM-

About to apply for writing on devtome, should I pm my devcoin address or an email address? or both?

I downloaded the win client from here http://media.andarazoroflove.org I assume this is a legit site, just checking cause eset quarantined a piece of the installation.

I'm gonna give it another shot. Ran the uninstaller, do I need to delete some registry keys too before  attempting reinstall?

Whats the status on moneychanger? Wasnt it supposed to be the grandma holy grail bounty awarded client? What is it missing, conversion from sys tray to a gui? How big of a bite is that one?


Curious why java was not chosen so it would be easy to run on android?

Does monetas have a ui for OT?

I think adding material to devtome that has been requested is a pretty sweet idea.. not only would writers be
getting paid ALOT MORE because they are paid twice and shares wouldnt be as diluted initially but I wouldnt mind devtome at all then.. its what people want to read amd useful.. I would read on there then and im sure others would.. and we wouldnt have all the shares going to devtome opening up other project funding or bounties.

Oh ok... yea you should always let the process close gracefully even though it takes a minute.. Never end the process from taskbar.

I see a dalamar96 on the DVCbank too, and wow its from today too.

Looks like maybe a lot of the users I thought had been from long ago and not confirmed simply signed up so fast they were already there by the time I managed to get logged in as administrator!

So if you are one of them let me know here so I can change you from the default initial status of inactive member to a full member.

-MarkM-

I only ever impersonate myself

Ranlo, whats your area of interest?

ThinkI

That rescan IS a running again of the client.

It IS the client. So don't run another copy of the client after doing it with -rescan, just continue along with the copy that you started with the -rescan.

(Otr, kill that oen first if you do want to start another such as if you don't want to tie up a text terminal/window for it to stay running in.)

Also, kill the existing copy before running a copy with the -rescan, two copies both trying to access the same data directory is not good.

-MarkM-

What fee were you charged? Maybe not
enough?

Good thing is you still have your coins if block explorer is showing them still.. You can rescan the blockchain to add missing transactions to your balance.

run devcoin-qt -rescan by typing in a terminal in the devcoin directory:
./devcoin-qt -rescan


Then run client again and see if its updated... please try again post the tx lets see if it works.. maybe fee for large tx is off? Lets see.

I recall now why I did confirmation manually. It does not send emails. It probably cannot send emails even, since the domain has not been spam-cleared with all the various authorities and all that so as to have any chance its emails would actually be accepted anywhere. I don't even deliberately run email transports on the servers except maybe the default install of the operatign system includes an email transport local to the machine itself.

So I guess I don't need to confirm your email address since you have just confirmed your forum username which is close enough and likely leaves you more potential anonymity. (Gosh knows whether Theymos knows who the forum's customers are, but since gmail hotmail etc likely don't either it should be as good as it currently gets.)

P.S. I see a new user with handle of "ThinkI" on the DVCbank already, might that be anyone here?

Or is it someone trying to impersonate someone who is here?

-MarkM-

Sounds good to me
I would head towards a particular type of writing. Which is why artists and web developers came to mind. There are a lot of web/software developers on these forum and not enough artistic talent. There are also insufficient people writing installation guides and user guides for the web/software developed.
So there is demand for creative people just in BitCoinTalk.org. Plus the demand is from people who will have no problem converting from there currency to DevCoin.

What is the best way to reach out to the writers on DevTome?

ThinkI

Just signed up (using same name as here). Pending approval.

Well presumably our initial pool of talent is writers right now...

We could go like

"Don't see any articles on Devtome that suit your needs? Join DVCbank and make offers, our authors can write whatever articles you need!"

Then the authors get paid both by the person who wants a specific article written and by the word for writing it on Devtome!

Then also over time we could tone down the pay in shares from Devtome and the Devtome admins could instead start paying writers to write specific articles the Devtome actually needs.

Also if users find this Cyclos type site is easier for them than an Open Transactions server, the other sites we have waiting in the wings that will each have their own currency issued in Open Transactions can also fire up one of these as a web-based way people can have accoutns denominated in that site's currency without needing to install an Open Transactions client.

(Open Transactions would serve as the "central bank" and cyclos instances as "branches" used by normal folk, each of which has an account at the "central bank" where the actual currency actually resides.)

For example Devtome itself could maybe serve as the first prototype of what the planned sites will be like. Devtome would get a certain number of "shares" each round, and issue Tomecoins onto an Open Transactions server, and the value of Tomecoins could float as people (and Devtome itself) offer whatever number of DeVCoins for however many of the Tomecoins.

Then any number of the Tomecoins that are on the Open Transactions server could be frozen as the security deposit / reserves of a branch of the Bank of Devtome, running Cyclos, so that folk who prefer a web based system can trade with other Devtome community members without even needing a Devcoin wallet let alone an Open Transactions client.

-MarkM-

I was thinking about one specific skills to start off with. I am not sure what is most sought after, but lets say artists that are interested in producing graphics for web sites. We pull in all the artists in the community that are interested in working for payments in DevCoin. We then put in our press release that we are building a new resource for web site developers to link the creative resources with the people who need them. If we do not have enough artists we use the web developers requests for work as a way of attracting artists from outside the DevCoin community.

Its basically how dating sites are marketed at the beginning 100s of girls looking for a boy then 1000's of boys looking for a girl. Until the population is sustainable.

Once you have one skill sorted you see if the people providing work want other skills and target people with those skills.
Its a long and tedious process but if you keep promoting it seems to work out eventually. The key is to keep promoting, that's were the money goes.
ThinkI

Presumably the specific type of people we are after are people who are members of the DeVCoin community, since basically it is a community currency site or community currency bank. Or maybe even the first initial start toward our "credit union".

In fact maybe the "Credit Union" could start out only doing loans that exist purely on the site, so all the coins people borrow go only to vendors suppliers employees and so on who are themselves part of that same community/site...

...That way we wouldn't be loaning out coins for people to dump on the exchanges, we would be extending credit for people to spend within the community, which is what community credit / community currency is usually considered to be all about.

-MarkM-

I'll take a look, but to make it work we need to attract specific types of creative people and then market that creativity.
Are we up for that?

ThinkI