Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 295. (Read 1058949 times)

Since art is not a science as is not being "developped", we must use a different approach. See my 8 ways of participating

I am still cogitating / meditating upon your schema, but right off the bat it strikes me that a lot of the explanations parts of it seem like condidates for Devtome, by having the explanations in written form.

Okay I will go back and read again.

But meanwhile, I so far still do tend to think that we should be about art development, specifically about free open source art development, rather than about art per se. Art per se includes non free non open source art, and its development is often non free non open source development.

We should in my current opinion as developed (hee hee) so far be about the free open source development of free open source art.

There are plenty of places where people can submit and maybe even be rewarded for non free non open source art development and even the actual pieces of art developed by such processes/means.

-MarkM-

The 8 ways of participating, I like the sound of that... shaolin grandmaster approves of that.

Okay I will go back and read again.

But meanwhile, I so far still do tend to think that we should be about art development, specifically about free open source art development, rather than about art per se. Art per se includes non free non open source art, and its development is often non free non open source development.

We should in my current opinion as developed (hee hee) so far be about the free open source development of free open source art.

There are plenty of places where people can submit and maybe even be rewarded for non free non open source art development and even the actual pieces of art developed by such processes/means.

-MarkM-

please reread my last post, I added what kind of combinations could exist, to create more incentives for different kind of artists.

I think this would give more possibilites for an artist to participate, and don't measure an artists worth as if he were a code developper

There should be different criteria that add shares to the bounty an artist recieves.

1) final product is free and in open source format (33%)
2) tools he used are open source (33%)
3) he explains the steps he made, enlightening us about the creation process (33%)

Something like that would be needed as to also attract "secretive" artists who use open source tools.
Or "secretive" artists who don't use open source tools, but like to share their music for free.
or an other combination: an artist who likes to share his music for free, yet create it with proprietary tools, but be absolutely open about his creation process, in effect be like a teacher about it.
etc... there are 8 possibilities for point 1, 2 and 3 to be combined:

0.0.0 (go away, we don't like your corporate ass around here.)
1.0.0 (free stuff to download)
0.2.0 (presenting open source tools)
0.0.3 (teaching about how to use proprietary artist tools)
1.2.0 (artist creates art with open source tools and final product is in downloadable open source format, but artist doesn't explain what's behind his music process)
1.0.3 (artist creates free music with proprietary tools and explains like a teacher his creation process)
0.2.3 (artist explains how to create music with open source tools, but doesn't provide any art example, only theory) You like that mark, hm??  
1.2.3 (a dream come true, an artist creates free stuff with open source tools and is open about his whole creation process) .... jesus returned anyone?

so they just open the dvc/cny trading pair other than dvc/btc pair....

please notice that devtome rewards people for using a free open source wiki, not, for example, for uploading a microsoft word document...

-MarkM-

BTER unfortunately is broken as far as supporting eight digits of decimals goes.

It has weird things happen like not being able to use all the decimals when placing an order on the website, and displaying with different numbers of decimals on different parts/tables of a page, yet you see offers appear on the orderbooks that have more decimals than you can type in on the page.

It looks like maybe their API si allowing bots to make use of all the decimals while the webpages are inconsistent about how many decimals there are.

The only reason I ever used BTER was BBQcoins, which I have not been able to work with properly over there because of this weird glitch that forces ten satoshi jumps between prices for humans using the website, leaving huge gaps therefore between prices, while bots or the system's own internal manipulations or something gets to jump in-between all your prices by making use of those decimals that you the human are not permitted/enabled to use.

In fact when I started using BTER the extra digits of decimals that the bots or the internal manipulators or who-ever or what-ever were using were not even visible in the order-book, so you'd find you could not buy an offer at its displayed price because it was not displaying the full price, the last one or more decimals were concealed.

Basically the script they are using, which I believe is a commercial script that they sell to other sites or that they along with other sites buy from someone, is broken as far as dealing with bitcoin-based cryptocurrencies go; it was maybe hacked up from some code originally intended for fiat forex (in which one usually uses five decimals and trades blocks of ten thousand units of a currency so that the 10000 units in play at a time makes up for the five decimals, balancing them out by multiplying by 10,000).

Still, it was better to deal with BBQ over at BTER despite the broken scripts than to contemplate the ghastly idea of having Vircurex, which seemed to have been designed for eight decimals all along, get flooded with garbage crapcoins. I certainly do not recommend anyone use any of the scam-central exchanges that specialise in enabling all the new scamcoins that keep coming out, I merely happened to use it because I dabbled in BBQcoin, which was kind of an early proof of how scammy all those new scrypt coins are.

(Think of BBQ as an experiment to see whether having more scrypt coins would be viable; what it seemed to demonstrate was that in fact having another scrypt coin was not viable, yet nonetheless despite the demonstrated lack of viability of an increased number of such coins, more and more such coins keep coming out...)

-MarkM-

Programming is about developing, creating algorithms is about developing.

But not art. (certainly not the whole process of it)

Remember that we kind of need to bootstrap the whole process to some extent, and hobble along hobbled by various problems such as needing the free open source tools with which to develop the free open source tools, and needing artists and musicians and so on to use the free open source tools in order to create demand/market for improvement of the free open source tools and so on.

For example some people say free open source tools are not good enough so real artists and musicians do not use them.

I do not think rewarding artists and musicians for not using the free open source tools seems a likely way of encouraging the improvement of such tools.

Partly because free open source does not tend to proceed along a trajectory of "if you build it, then they will come".

Rather the opposite seems more normally / usually the case: unless they come, there is no point building it.

That is why some people claim that much of free open source software seems to be written for the software's developer rather than for masses of people who never even bothered to get involved in the development of the stuff.

Basically the programmers had already come, so what they - the people who did already come - wanted got built.

So if we reward artists and musicians for using free open source tools, and those tools could be improved / could be better, maybe the fact that they need to use those tools in order to get those rewards might cause those artists and musicians to apply more effort and finances and lobbying and so on toward getting those tools improved instead of just running off with some non free open source tool to go do some non free open source project or something.

Presumably the tools work just fine for the programmers who wrote them; maybe it takes a certain amount of knowledge or skill to even perceive whatever problems artists and musicians have with such tools.

-MarkM-

EDIT: Notice that for authors, we reward authors for using a free open source wiki program/site, not, for example, for uploading microsoft word document files...

We want the free open source version.

Remember we are about development.

It is the development of art and music that we are trying to reward / incentivise, many specific items of art or music might really amount to merely samples / examples of what can be developed under the free open source rubric; we are presumably more interested in the capability to develop such art and music than in any particular items of art or music that are developed.

-MarkM-

The result of his art (the final picture, music piece, 3d model)

or the whole creation process?


Please define what you mean with "his art".

Art is also a state of mind.


Would you accept someone creating a video using proprietary software like flash, but converting the final product into a free video format using FFmpeg.?

I was merely addressing the apparent inability of artists to output their art in free open source formats.

-MarkM-

It means, rather, that the artist needs to authorise the conversion of his art into a free open source form/format.