Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 296. (Read 1059181 times)

Programming is about developing, creating algorithms is about developing.

But not art. (certainly not the whole process of it)

Let me introduce an example, a story rather by a musician and how he came to create a song.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton

Eric Clapton created the song "Tears in heaven" to express his grief of losing his 4 year old son who died after falling from the 53rd-floor window.

So let me get this straight, and make an open source development specification for a song like "tears in heaven"


1) first have someone die in your family. It is imperative that the death could have been easily prevented.

2) be depressed for years, preferably drowning your grief in drugs that increase psychological disorders you might already have like latent scizophrenia.
Add suicidal tendencies as desired to increase the necessary feeling of hopelessness (to create authenticity)

3) let everything "ferment" for a few years until you find the power (and help of friends who want to get you out of the depression) and finally...

4) create a wonderful song, honouring the short life of someone you loved.

Remember that we kind of need to bootstrap the whole process to some extent, and hobble along hobbled by various problems such as needing the free open source tools with which to develop the free open source tools, and needing artists and musicians and so on to use the free open source tools in order to create demand/market for improvement of the free open source tools and so on.

For example some people say free open source tools are not good enough so real artists and musicians do not use them.

I do not think rewarding artists and musicians for not using the free open source tools seems a likely way of encouraging the improvement of such tools.

Partly because free open source does not tend to proceed along a trajectory of "if you build it, then they will come".

Rather the opposite seems more normally / usually the case: unless they come, there is no point building it.

That is why some people claim that much of free open source software seems to be written for the software's developer rather than for masses of people who never even bothered to get involved in the development of the stuff.

Basically the programmers had already come, so what they - the people who did already come - wanted got built.

So if we reward artists and musicians for using free open source tools, and those tools could be improved / could be better, maybe the fact that they need to use those tools in order to get those rewards might cause those artists and musicians to apply more effort and finances and lobbying and so on toward getting those tools improved instead of just running off with some non free open source tool to go do some non free open source project or something.

Presumably the tools work just fine for the programmers who wrote them; maybe it takes a certain amount of knowledge or skill to even perceive whatever problems artists and musicians have with such tools.

-MarkM-

EDIT: Notice that for authors, we reward authors for using a free open source wiki program/site, not, for example, for uploading microsoft word document files...

It depends.

I think we should respect the artist by only imposing rules on the finalized work of art.

Certainly not on the means he used to create his work.

Certainly not on the process of creating the art.

(he should decide if he wants to be all secretive about it, or explain the process indepth)

The result of his art (the final picture, music piece, 3d model)

or the whole creation process?


Please define what you mean with "his art".

Art is also a state of mind.


Would you accept someone creating a video using proprietary software like flash, but converting the final product into a free video format using FFmpeg.?

We want the free open source version.

So we should reward the team that produces it.

This does not mean some dude with a converter gets to steal an artist's license.

It means, rather, that the artist needs to authorise the conversion of his art into a free open source form/format.

The artist's permission is still needed.

I was merely addressing the apparent inability of artists to output their art in free open source formats.

Basically an added layer: bundle the artist into a team that includes someone who can arrange the production of a free open source result, whether that person ends up having to do some kind of a converter or re-train an artist to use something that produces free open source output, or find a different artist, one that is capable of using free open source tools or whatever it takes to get what we want, (which is, I thought, the development of free open source stuff, thus includes the development tools used to develop free open source stuff and the stuff produced using such stuff...)

Presumably part of the hoped for results of our rewarding free open source developers to develop free open source art and music and so on is an increase in the number of artists and musicians who choose to use free open source tools and components and inks and brushes and instruments and such or to develop such things.

Remember we are about development.

It is the development of art and music that we are trying to reward / incentivise, many specific items of art or music might really amount to merely samples / examples of what can be developed under the free open source rubric; we are presumably more interested in the capability to develop such art and music than in any particular items of art or music that are developed.

-MarkM-

I wanted to reignite the discussion concerning

1) open source vs free stuff

2) using proprietary methods to create free stuff

and what this would mean for every artist who would want to contribute.

I reposted an earlier statement by mark that concisely describes his viewpoint.

In my opinion there are many rather confusing and strange implications that make no sense for me whatsoever and are even potentially baffling and deterrent for any artist who would want to participate.

For example... (emphasis added by myself)


So this would open the door for everyone who has better means of converting something someone created for free, even giving the converter the claim over the bounty and the power to decide how much money the actual artist would recieve.

This is unsettling to say the least.

Wouldn't that create incentives for similar behaviour like we see with patent trolls (a little far-fetched I agree), introducing a new species of competitor, no more only the creator species, but also the converter species who acts not necessarily in accordance with the creators?

BTER unfortunately is broken as far as supporting eight digits of decimals goes.

It has weird things happen like not being able to use all the decimals when placing an order on the website, and displaying with different numbers of decimals on different parts/tables of a page, yet you see offers appear on the orderbooks that have more decimals than you can type in on the page.

It looks like maybe their API si allowing bots to make use of all the decimals while the webpages are inconsistent about how many decimals there are.

The only reason I ever used BTER was BBQcoins, which I have not been able to work with properly over there because of this weird glitch that forces ten satoshi jumps between prices for humans using the website, leaving huge gaps therefore between prices, while bots or the system's own internal manipulations or something gets to jump in-between all your prices by making use of those decimals that you the human are not permitted/enabled to use.

In fact when I started using BTER the extra digits of decimals that the bots or the internal manipulators or who-ever or what-ever were using were not even visible in the order-book, so you'd find you could not buy an offer at its displayed price because it was not displaying the full price, the last one or more decimals were concealed.

Basically the script they are using, which I believe is a commercial script that they sell to other sites or that they along with other sites buy from someone, is broken as far as dealing with bitcoin-based cryptocurrencies go; it was maybe hacked up from some code originally intended for fiat forex (in which one usually uses five decimals and trades blocks of ten thousand units of a currency so that the 10000 units in play at a time makes up for the five decimals, balancing them out by multiplying by 10,000).

Still, it was better to deal with BBQ over at BTER despite the broken scripts than to contemplate the ghastly idea of having Vircurex, which seemed to have been designed for eight decimals all along, get flooded with garbage crapcoins. I certainly do not recommend anyone use any of the scam-central exchanges that specialise in enabling all the new scamcoins that keep coming out, I merely happened to use it because I dabbled in BBQcoin, which was kind of an early proof of how scammy all those new scrypt coins are.

(Think of BBQ as an experiment to see whether having more scrypt coins would be viable; what it seemed to demonstrate was that in fact having another scrypt coin was not viable, yet nonetheless despite the demonstrated lack of viability of an increased number of such coins, more and more such coins keep coming out...)

-MarkM-

Hello,
Eset Antivirus continues detecting devcoin.exe --> probably unknown NewHeur_PE.


It's safe to use???


https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/9e92e9f1959414903e80a0c1e2c159d29b1644910df325ddf6a173b41b9b7bc8/analysis/1387896494/

thank you

Great news emfox!! Good job

What about a mobile wallet using bitcoinj?  Now that we have qr support would be nice to make payments on your phone via nfc or qr.

Looks like those emails work! Lets double up efforts to get on other exchanges espeially those chinese ones!

I'm getting a lot of signup requests, and I just processed a few today from the last two to three days. If I missed anyone, please feel free to PM me again.

Merry Christmas, everyone

BTER has deposits and withdrawals enabled for DVC. So it's almost ready!

dvc hasn't on, but just announced, on chinese page you could see the announcement on the right column.

If you have a Chrome browser it does an instant translation of English to Chinese but I didn't see Devcoin on the Chinese side when I looked.

That is pretty cool though. The more exchanges that have Devcoin means the more chances there are that Devcoin could have runs.

I actually think that the model Bter is using will be duplicated many times in the future. It will be coin-in and coin-out only in the future for several of them, no cash whatsoever.

Hello, great news guys, bter.com one of the biggest altcoin exchanges in china has reply to me that they accept devcoin, and has announced officially dvc will soon be on shelf

http://bter.com/ (the english page has not updated, you could visit chinese page, and search for word "Devcoin", incase you know chinese)


Edit: It's on now http://bter.com/trade/dvc_cny

It might also be worth it to contact http://www.cex.io and ask them the same thing. It might help speed up their implementation process of alt coin trading. They presently have online Devcoin wallets and allow for withdrawals for a small 0.001 fee.

If you go to the "Faq" and then "Merged Mining" section it says..

"As of November 11th - GHash.IO has enabled merged mining of altcoins. These coins are mined simultaneously with the BTC, and give you additional profit. Information on altcoins can be found here: http://altcoins.com/

You can exchange alt coins for bitcoins on various exchanges. We will also be implementing a BTC to NMC, IXC, DVC pair exchange soon. Additional coins may be also implemented along the way."

Thank you eeh   
I've exactly received 1001 DVC and not 1000 from you ! Strange isn't it ? The difficulty answer was the most difficult to find until I found the block explorer site  (http://d.evco.in/abe/chain/DeVCoin?count=500&hi=118878) 

Thank you  
I sent you my devcoin address from my computer in a private message.

I got a reply from Unocoin regarding adding a BTC/DVC trading pair.  Their reply was:

"Sure i have made a note of it. Our next plans is to get LTC. We will try to include DVC as well some time in future."


It's worth more people contacting them asking for DVC to be added to make sure they know there is demand!