Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 322. (Read 1058949 times)

The payment isn't as random as it seems - your shares should be spaced out relatively evenly over the 4 000 blocks (roughly 28 days).

I've found it to be incredibly even: the total amount of DVC from the shares divided by the number of days (28), is approximately how many DVC you will receive per day.

Odd about the ticker address. I just tried it again in a regular browser, and no-go. Ran it through Tor and it comes through fine. Might be an IP issue. The ticker is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for putting it together. Much easier than trying to pick out numbers at cryptsy or vircurex.

Thanks for your answers to my other questions. I wonder how random payment might affect the value each writer gets with the fluctuating value of DVC (which seems pretty high right now).

The link is working for me.  Round 30 will end at block 117,300, which is in about an hour or two.  Shares are paid during the next round, and can be paid at any point during the next round.  Payment date is random, I believe, and individual writers are paid each block.

Also, as soon as you are a "member" (15 activity) the 360 second limit will be lifted.

I'd love to see a DVC ticker, but the link isn't working for me. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the extra zeros. Is 1 000 000 the most useful denomination for comparison with other currencies?

I also had some questions about devtome rounds. I wasn't able to find the answers I was looking for doing some searches, which isn't to say it's not there, just that my search terms might not have brought it up.

- When does the current round (round 30) end?
- Are shares paid immediately upon the end of the round, or roughly half-way through the next round (trying to interpret this: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devtome_stats&s[]=round&s[]=30)?
- Are all writers paid at once, or is payment date dependent on when a particular writer submitted material?

Thanks!

As an aside, I just gotta say, this whole 'your last reply was less than 360 seconds ago' really drives me nuts. I keep losing posts, for no other reason than I typed it too fast. I'm guessing its a spam bot preventative?

Check out the updated version of my devcoin ticker site: http://dvcticker.bugs3.com/

The title of the page updates every 10 seconds with the DVC and BTC price, there is an auto DVC calculator, and a random fact generator! 

A chart is coming soon.

Nice! Here is an other one

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-ethical-merge-mined-bitcoin-alternative---devcoin-dvc-experiences-value-increase-of-over-300-in-two-weeks-235059161.html

+1 Nice. Good stuff on the media work.

Smeagol: christmas https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3511715

Any news on the updated client?  I would be willing to touch it up aesthetically (with qt images, etc.). 

Just one opinion, not up to me. As I said I think it would act to to the detriment of devtome's model, particularly scaled-up, but evidence on the counterfactual would justify a better discussion than my opinion. I'm all in favour of optimizing through trial and error so you could always try it out if you think the traffic base is large enough for analysis to warrant meaningful results, if nobody objects.

Example: Pick a decent, popular article (like one of yours) and see how it goes. You seem to know a fair bit about relative traffic, hit generation, analytics, duplication tradeoffs, so if the data now exists you could run it as an experiment for a while. See if there's any significant difference in interest and then any resulting knock-on effect of subsequent traffic to the article and others, and whether this sustains or tails off. You'd have to honestly differentiate between traffic from self-optimized efforts, if any, and other for it to mean anything. You'd also need to somehow come up with a method for quantifying bias in any exisiting optimization of other articles that could still impact on the one tested and the link for it (i.e. testing the change not the ability to personally market the change). There are lots of things that could be tested; 'taster' articles, intro snippets etc.

I do think the wordpress site, RSS feed, twitter and generally getting it all out there is great though.

Good points. Because it could be done, doesn't mean it should. If it's ever needed, feel free to contact me!

It does help, that was a great post. Please post or message me with a devcoin address from your computer and you'll get 2/5 of a share.

To everyone who has not received devcoins from generation,

If you posted on this thread, please message me with the post and your devcoin address and I'll send you at least 1/5 of a share. This is to ensure that everyone who helped devcoin gets at least part of a share before the number of shares increases a lot.

Maybe this helps, i found it on an other forum, how to contact them

btc38.com has 1 user on QQ that does English support. He's listed at "Tame" and his QQ # is: 46514171

How to contact btc38.com:
 
 
Download www.imqq.com (international client)
-Run the client
-Click the "+" sign
-Click People you may know
-Paste any of the QQ numbers without spaces
 
What time is it in China? https://www.google.c... is it in china
 
A total of 5 QQ contacts, all from btc38.com, label them as it is, so you do not get confused!
 
1 Customer Service QQ: 2790441779
Operations Contact QQ 2921757715
Technical Contact QQ 46514171
Trading Service QQ 2956403426 (This one, it doesn't accept your request right away)
User QQ group 114812341

I hope this will help

About the advertising plan: Rolling out a campaign will get to the heart of what devcoin is. So let's assume the campaign works as intended and there's lots of interest by open-source developers. People/groups make their case and apply for funding, some are successful and some not.

But to make all that sustainable stuff needs to be in place first: *An efficient way of appraising development in scale (if you're confident this exists then great). *A way to optimise that the people who want and support the projects applying can get involved too. Yes they can buy devcoins but they're a different target group and will not necessarily be responsive to the same incentives as those applying for devcoins, or even notice the campaign. So where at all possible there should be a quid pro quo  - ‘donate in devcoins’ button/note on funding etc.

Otherwise the chain could just stop there. We need the visibility to follow on to users as well as developers - demand - and the specific (potential) users of the specific product or service getting funding not just those who see the advertising who may be a completely different subset.

On the general advertising campaign plan, sorry to be a pragmatist but what it will involve? If there are fiat costs how will dvc/fiat price risk be mitigated if it's funded via shares rather than costed, justified and funded in absolute dvc? This matters when an endeavour might sink or swim on dvc/fiat rates.

Devcoin's long-term appeal advantage over every other crypto is potential breadth of take-up and interest. Unless its staggered, rolling out an ad campaign relies on having an infrastructure of sites and information that interested people can respond to and join in with. For most, particularly with cryptos, we have one shot at getting them onboard so again pragmatically I think we need to be sure the message today fits with the medium today.

According to someone on DGC forum (different coin) who asked btc38.com about this, they said they require a coin to have a minimum difficulty of 2.  As a non-miner I'm not entirely sure what that means, does DVC have a higher difficulty than that?  I don't know if that difficulty level is just for script coins...

Honestly I don't know, and I don't know enough about the ebook process, effect on revenue potential and any likely marketing boost to be sure. Perhaps on the basis of an e'book' that is actually just one article each time (or just for actual books), giving each author the option to have readers download that article. But personal opinion is that it's likely to appeal as much to those of lowest quality work as to those of highest. It's open source so I don't see how you'd prevent any articles following that route once the gate is open. One advantage with devtome remaining the sole repository and work in progress is the breadth and depth of appeal, even if that's just to join in writing. That means any general appraisal has to ecompass the whole as well as any individual submission. Breaking it up into individual articles or authors makes that appraisal and risk quite different.

I think the biggest problem is that the idea is most likely to appeal to those who are most proactive with the better articles, and then those who (arguably) overrate their work. If that's true then epublishing works could amount to the effective reduction of hits for those articles that otherwise might drive the most traffic, and marketing those articles that might be best suited to waiting for better proofreading and edits before publishing.

Fin brought the book idea up a while ago and I said something along the lines that just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done. I tend to still belive that. I'm not sure how duplicating content aside from say focusing on a particular area for a particular audience (eg. e-currency blog or novels if somebody is able to offer real editorial/review skills) helps at this point, but happy to be proven wrong. To me it all comes back to the same point again and again. We cannot presume people will buy dvc under the same motivation as others will earn them, but for earnings and devcoin to remain meaningful buyers are also needed. Devtome offers a means to catalyse revenue and interest for devcoin without necessarily buying devcoin in the usual way being the only way.

* I understood the point of devtome and the % of share allocation to date, as building a model with revenue to invest into supporting DVC value, as well as the wiki itself, and so helping to enable everything else to come. That means pageviews and revenue, the commercial element, are fundamental to success, so I'm not sure changing that dynamic would help.

If the fee is small under 5 bitcoins, we'll definitely go for it, over that we'll see. Someone, please find out what the fee is. Whoever does will get four shares.

Edit: Actually, before I promise that we'll pay a high fee, I'd like to see the volume of their altcoins compared to other exchanges like btc-e.

Then it has merit?

I see it as an enhancement to existing pages. Not all, but those who would likely pass a peer rating and are formatted nicely.

As I understand it Devtome is beginning to generate traffic and revenue. The services you suggest don't, although they might. So although I think they may be good ideas for the future, wouldn't it be counterproductive to make the content available through a means that counteracts the initial medium? I appreciate it's a bit chicken-and-egg, in that what comes first - visibility or hits - but if Devtome is ever to build towards self-sustaining income generation I'd have thought it will require more hits than only from those writing on it. Also, unless you mean you'd manually select articles...snipped...

...Edit: Actually I didn't read that properly when you said 'create ...of devtome pages' & 'place it on each Devtome page for those who would like the service'.

Yes I tried to contact them for this purpose but had a hard time finding their email for the site.. even with translate. Do you have a contact? I think getting some articles out may help in explaining the coin and win some exchanges over but btc38 is a good one for volume.

I second this right now would be a perfect time to hit the ads as much as possible! I am about to start my ad campaign in bitcoin pr buzz probaby a 6 or 7 series progression of articles from devcoin essentials to economic theory all highlighting the features of devcoin. I think it will take a week per article so a few months to get them all up as we go.