Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 338. (Read 1059181 times)

You are placing too much value on everyone's work, when not everyone's work even brings people here. So you can't equate work put in, to value of the coin.

That will kill the coin.

Yes this is a great example of a list on the reciever file to represent reoccuring payments via shares and this makes sense to me. We are paying someone to fund domain names which is a reoccuring payment structure. In this sense a bounty may be released and taken up by someone willing to do so. It would probably be taken up fairly quickly. The bounty itself can be a reoccuring payment and it would make sense to put you on a share list that pays out certain shares commensurate the cost of funding domain names and/or VPS hosting. Right now we also have admins that are paid and we don't know what/how much work is being done to deserve payment. If it were public to everyone it would be great.

Some DVC should be allotted for this kind of stuff, either via Bounties or direct share allocation. I for example would be willing to fund domain names or VPS hosting for a year+ if I could be allocated additional shares for the task.

I've written to UnthinkingBit to review of the proposed changes and give his thoughts. Its been a few weeks since he got back to me and I have no idea if he is planning to but I pushed some ideas to him, some bad some good and maybe its a better idea to open them up to the public and have everyone's thoughts on them. I already went public in giving my idea of halving the writers subsidy, but maybe it should be even more drastic so we need a consensus on what the proportion should go to bounties, to admins (if any), to marketing, to devtome training wheels. Devtome should be able to support itself theoretically and writers would be paid based on revenue from ads, but there is not enough revenue to justify that anything will be written at all (maybe that's ok?) Once project starts rolling, revenue from ads increases and writers start to come in to? This would open up the entire alotment of the shares to bounties etc.

Anyways my proposal was to simply review the alotment of shares to devtome and to set up a bounty piggy bank which accrues value over time until someone claims the bounty with the work. Each bounty would have admin's allocated which get paid and marketing shares which also get paid. If that is not reasonable I ask Unthinkingbit please tell us why not, or what your thoughts are? With the new people coming into crypto, it would be good to do some nice marketing with a good change that we are all happy with to renew interest in such a great project!

Jag

The bounties should be used for this purpose, that means the writers earn less as a result. As bounties get completed price shoudl rise and writers will see more incentive to write quality materials. Price rising should give proper incentive to write instead of the other way around. Bounties get 45% of the generation shares will allow for a new website and marketing.

Yes I appreciate what I said doesn't refer to everyone. I haven't seen those videos and I don't plan to watch them. A number of us have tried to outline the consensus view on Fin's approach, but there's not much anyone can do to prevent individuals' own efforts. Again this stems from a structure with (for now) a more limited acquisition base via projects/bounties. Where with a different structure one errant approach would probably blend into the mass, here it remains one of a limited number and therefore more noted. Surely it's at least within the remit of devtome to vet writings that don't at least meet a basic pre-requisite of being readable.

Yeah, I've gotta say... FinShaggy is putting out some really bad messages towards Devtome in his YT videos. Been watching them and they make me cringe. He's actively supporting things like drivel and low-quality writing (and even states at one point that even if you suck at writing and have nothing to write about, it's fine as long as it's readable). He also gives ideas of what to write about that *clearly* represent drivel.

He's devaluing the entire DVC/Devtome project with his attempts at "marketing" it and it's going to make things worse.

FYI: Fujara - UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity aquired for Cryptocoins.
https://devda.ch/content/fujara-unesco-intangible-cultural-heritage-humanity-aquired-cryptocoins

This wonderfull Instrument is funded partialy (2.5M) with DVC

No. This is what's wrong with the current setup of ~90% returns emanating from one particular project. They are not free if they require WORK to acquire - whether that's time spent writing, coding, art, running a business, marketing, admin...whatever. The concepts of user-base and velocity you're alluding to are not at all what that zero-value outline actually infers when price is trending towards such confirmation of price=value.

They're only 'free' to those on the receiving end of a faucet - OR to those who (1) don't value the effort they're putting in, or (2) don't value the result of any effort put in, or (3) know that nobody else will value it.

When I've said the payment structure needs to move away from being devtome-focused this is precisely the point I was making (so thanks Fin). It's not about lambasting all writers, or all coders, or all anyone - it's just that payment, any payment must be the result of work - or the self assigned value is zero (or at least perpetually < whatever the reward is), and behaviour from that point will reflect the 'anything's better than zero' perpetual return scramble.

If devtome (it could be any project) was allotted a fixed sum or % of total per round, that would catalyse a far greater mutual-vetting of peers vying for compensation that would serve to both assure quality and greater price stability (no I have no idea what that equilibrium price would be).

No this is the BULLSHIT I am talking about. YOU are supposed to buy the materials and help fund new sites, THAT IS WHAT THEY PAY US FOR.

It is National Novel Writing Month RIGHT NOW and on NanoWrimo.org I have been PMing people about Devtome. We need more people doing this though, there are THOUSANDS of people writing novels this months and THOUSANDS of students that participate in NanoWrimo even when it's not november (the have meet ups). We NEED to tap into that.

Yep but firstly it needs better website and marketing materials.

This is a big thing, are we advertising in the right places Devcoin?

Art shops have to know about it, high school teachers need to know about it, anyone who is a hub for connecting developers/writers need to know about it.
So that's it, Get targeted advertisement to get the word to spread, get as many supporters of art as possible, we only have Devtome right now, but it's for the
greater creative effort.

so who wants to start posting into the Devcoin advertisement materials category on Devtome? pictures, videos, pamphlets, writings, personal opinions, anything to show who we are in a spot on Devtome that anyone can find, If each one of us makes one piece we can have everything done in no time; We just have to play it by ear, Devtome is Jazz not a symphony, make what you think Devcoin needs or provide your insight, share it on facebook with your friends, talk about it in art forums. Wherever our kind of people are is where we should be looking.

Devcoin came from the Cryptography community, just a fringe part of it's core, interested in writing, art, philosophy, you name it. We got the technical
know how to get all these new communities that we too are part of to become part of the revolution.

Already sent.

serve yourselves
https://support.mtgox.com/anonymous_requests/new

[email protected]    as well!!!!

And acquire some devcoins before

We need to bombard Mt Gox with emails, bombard YouTube with videos and bombard the world with development.

it is real, as I am bombarding gox continually, it is my request, and my printscreen done now. i was asking what you make of it, to not alter your impression how to read it, but not if its real or not. it is real. you will get their anwer back in a day too.
 in june mtgox had an even more daring statement, which i also posted here, look back. they firmly stated then to add dvc after ltc.
ppl follo my example. it will save our ass once they add it.

It's probably real, but doesn't mean anything really. Just that MT Gox does recognize DVC. They are saying "No shit we would announce that if we started doing it" not "we are going to start"

Is it real or joke?