Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 338. (Read 1058949 times)

Yes I appreciate what I said doesn't refer to everyone. I haven't seen those videos and I don't plan to watch them. A number of us have tried to outline the consensus view on Fin's approach, but there's not much anyone can do to prevent individuals' own efforts. Again this stems from a structure with (for now) a more limited acquisition base via projects/bounties. Where with a different structure one errant approach would probably blend into the mass, here it remains one of a limited number and therefore more noted. Surely it's at least within the remit of devtome to vet writings that don't at least meet a basic pre-requisite of being readable.

Yeah, I've gotta say... FinShaggy is putting out some really bad messages towards Devtome in his YT videos. Been watching them and they make me cringe. He's actively supporting things like drivel and low-quality writing (and even states at one point that even if you suck at writing and have nothing to write about, it's fine as long as it's readable). He also gives ideas of what to write about that *clearly* represent drivel.

He's devaluing the entire DVC/Devtome project with his attempts at "marketing" it and it's going to make things worse.

FYI: Fujara - UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity aquired for Cryptocoins.
https://devda.ch/content/fujara-unesco-intangible-cultural-heritage-humanity-aquired-cryptocoins

This wonderfull Instrument is funded partialy (2.5M) with DVC

No. This is what's wrong with the current setup of ~90% returns emanating from one particular project. They are not free if they require WORK to acquire - whether that's time spent writing, coding, art, running a business, marketing, admin...whatever. The concepts of user-base and velocity you're alluding to are not at all what that zero-value outline actually infers when price is trending towards such confirmation of price=value.

They're only 'free' to those on the receiving end of a faucet - OR to those who (1) don't value the effort they're putting in, or (2) don't value the result of any effort put in, or (3) know that nobody else will value it.

When I've said the payment structure needs to move away from being devtome-focused this is precisely the point I was making (so thanks Fin). It's not about lambasting all writers, or all coders, or all anyone - it's just that payment, any payment must be the result of work - or the self assigned value is zero (or at least perpetually < whatever the reward is), and behaviour from that point will reflect the 'anything's better than zero' perpetual return scramble.

If devtome (it could be any project) was allotted a fixed sum or % of total per round, that would catalyse a far greater mutual-vetting of peers vying for compensation that would serve to both assure quality and greater price stability (no I have no idea what that equilibrium price would be).

No this is the BULLSHIT I am talking about. YOU are supposed to buy the materials and help fund new sites, THAT IS WHAT THEY PAY US FOR.

It is National Novel Writing Month RIGHT NOW and on NanoWrimo.org I have been PMing people about Devtome. We need more people doing this though, there are THOUSANDS of people writing novels this months and THOUSANDS of students that participate in NanoWrimo even when it's not november (the have meet ups). We NEED to tap into that.

Yep but firstly it needs better website and marketing materials.

This is a big thing, are we advertising in the right places Devcoin?

Art shops have to know about it, high school teachers need to know about it, anyone who is a hub for connecting developers/writers need to know about it.
So that's it, Get targeted advertisement to get the word to spread, get as many supporters of art as possible, we only have Devtome right now, but it's for the
greater creative effort.

so who wants to start posting into the Devcoin advertisement materials category on Devtome? pictures, videos, pamphlets, writings, personal opinions, anything to show who we are in a spot on Devtome that anyone can find, If each one of us makes one piece we can have everything done in no time; We just have to play it by ear, Devtome is Jazz not a symphony, make what you think Devcoin needs or provide your insight, share it on facebook with your friends, talk about it in art forums. Wherever our kind of people are is where we should be looking.

Devcoin came from the Cryptography community, just a fringe part of it's core, interested in writing, art, philosophy, you name it. We got the technical
know how to get all these new communities that we too are part of to become part of the revolution.

Already sent.

serve yourselves
https://support.mtgox.com/anonymous_requests/new

[email protected]    as well!!!!

And acquire some devcoins before

We need to bombard Mt Gox with emails, bombard YouTube with videos and bombard the world with development.

it is real, as I am bombarding gox continually, it is my request, and my printscreen done now. i was asking what you make of it, to not alter your impression how to read it, but not if its real or not. it is real. you will get their anwer back in a day too.
 in june mtgox had an even more daring statement, which i also posted here, look back. they firmly stated then to add dvc after ltc.
ppl follo my example. it will save our ass once they add it.

It's probably real, but doesn't mean anything really. Just that MT Gox does recognize DVC. They are saying "No shit we would announce that if we started doing it" not "we are going to start"

Is it real or joke?

THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!

But it just says they WOULD make an announcement, not that it is happening. So, we just need to flood them with requests for DVC now.

what do you make of this?

I've said this a million times but I guess I'll say it again.

DEVCOIN IS INFINITE, there is NOT a set number of coins to be made. Which means if we all get coins and hold them, they will inflate themselves to oblivion.

Devcoins value is based on the flow of its economy, mixed with the progress of the people earning it. SPEND YOUR COINS. HOLDING COINS IS NOT PROGRESSIVE.

You guys say that too many people are selling, I believe the problem is too many people aren't willing to sell cheap devcoins.

If everyone that got devcoins for free wasn't an ass and would sell them for cheap to people that have to spend money to get them, then the coin would have a wider audience as well as go up in value. Because we get them for free, so their value is 0. You have to sell them (even for .0000001 BTC) because that is the only way to give them value. The person that PAID .0000001 satoshi cares MORE than you, because you got it for free.

The person that bought it for .0000001 satoshi is BETTER for devcoin than you (and me and everyone that gets free DVC). And they are NEW to devcoin, so they are expanding the community.

Which is how this can be achieved. Plenty of people trying to sell coins, so you could go to MCXnow and buy coins that are say.00000012 to .00000014 while Vircurex has a massive buy wall of .00000015 or .00000016 or even like .00000020

Don't say it isn't possible. I see it available all the time. When the Bitcoin price goes up and someone with lots of DVC on mcx or vircurex decided to cash out, the other exchange doesn't catch up right away. So you can buy coins on one exchange and sell them on the other.

You can even RAISE the price of coins by buying the sell orders, all it would take is like 5-20 Bitcoins and you could 100% control the price of DVC on both exchanges.