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legendary
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November 19, 2013, 01:38:38 PM
Watch  both Vircurex and MCXnow. Buying coins from 1 exchange and selling them on the other can earn you money as well as help the movement of the DVC economy.

Too many dumps, not enough buyers willing to buy at market, but more than enough sellers willing to sell at market.
legendary
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November 19, 2013, 01:37:23 PM
I have been looking at the movement through mtgox, cavirtex, vircurex, someone was trying to move the price up too quickly to 900.00, but didn't have the volume necessary to maintain the run, but so far the price is moving as expected according to available liquidity on the exchanges, too many exchanges to manipulate one so drastically... 900? come on! it was just moving past 500.00.

But the pace so far is sustainable... we have to observe the movement of altcoins.

litecoin has already had it's upsurge... but it has greater liquidity than fiat, so well see it move slowly but surely upwards.

so which altcoins are left? peercoin, namecoin, devcoin... these will have their upsurge soon,

http://coinmarketcap.com/

I'm going to be purchasing Devcoins as much as I can with my bitcoins... of course i'm going to hedge my bets only the coins I believe in.

we can definitely prosper from this, so... lets change the tempo.

I heard MarkM had some kick ass ideas up his sleeve, we don't need the details but I think a announcement on where we came from, where we are and where we are headed is called for, a Devcoin state of the union address, to let people know we are still here building what we believe in, and they can be part of this too, thanks to the low low price of Devcoin.

I'm going to write my first article on Devtome on this, hopefully I can put my best literary eloquence to good use.

Where did you hear this?
newbie
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November 19, 2013, 01:21:20 PM
Watch  both Vircurex and MCXnow. Buying coins from 1 exchange and selling them on the other can earn you money as well as help the movement of the DVC economy.
legendary
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November 19, 2013, 01:07:59 PM
I have been looking at the movement through mtgox, cavirtex, vircurex, someone was trying to move the price up too quickly to 900.00, but didn't have the volume necessary to maintain the run, but so far the price is moving as expected according to available liquidity on the exchanges, too many exchanges to manipulate one so drastically... 900? come on! it was just moving past 500.00.

But the pace so far is sustainable... we have to observe the movement of altcoins.

litecoin has already had it's upsurge... but it has greater liquidity than fiat, so well see it move slowly but surely upwards.

so which altcoins are left? peercoin, namecoin, devcoin... these will have their upsurge soon,

http://coinmarketcap.com/

I'm going to be purchasing Devcoins as much as I can with my bitcoins... of course i'm going to hedge my bets only the coins I believe in.

we can definitely prosper from this, so... lets change the tempo.

I heard MarkM had some kick ass ideas up his sleeve, we don't need the details but I think a announcement on where we came from, where we are and where we are headed is called for, a Devcoin state of the union address, to let people know we are still here building what we believe in, and they can be part of this too, thanks to the low low price of Devcoin.

I'm going to write my first article on Devtome on this, hopefully I can put my best literary eloquence to good use.
Devcoin up to $1 and I will thank you all for that Grin
hero member
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November 19, 2013, 12:57:37 PM
I have been looking at the movement through mtgox, cavirtex, vircurex, someone was trying to move the price up too quickly to 900.00, but didn't have the volume necessary to maintain the run, but so far the price is moving as expected according to available liquidity on the exchanges, too many exchanges to manipulate one so drastically... 900? come on! it was just moving past 500.00.

But the pace so far is sustainable... we have to observe the movement of altcoins.

litecoin has already had it's upsurge... but it has greater liquidity than fiat, so well see it move slowly but surely upwards.

so which altcoins are left? peercoin, namecoin, devcoin... these will have their upsurge soon,

http://coinmarketcap.com/

I'm going to be purchasing Devcoins as much as I can with my bitcoins... of course i'm going to hedge my bets only the coins I believe in.

we can definitely prosper from this, so... lets change the tempo.

I heard MarkM had some kick ass ideas up his sleeve, we don't need the details but I think a announcement on where we came from, where we are and where we are headed is called for, a Devcoin state of the union address, to let people know we are still here building what we believe in, and they can be part of this too, thanks to the low low price of Devcoin.

I'm going to write my first article on Devtome on this, hopefully I can put my best literary eloquence to good use.
newbie
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November 18, 2013, 01:50:09 PM
There is a FLOOD of new Bitcoiners, if you haven't been paying attention Bitcoins are now worth over $600.

So, could everyone that reads this go post one thing somewhere for Devcoin.

On your Facebook wall, in a Bitcoin Facebook group, in a YouTube video, in a Twitter tweet, etc etc. Just say something about Devcoin, and hashtag #Bitcoin or something. So that people will find Devcoin while looking for Bitcoin.

Please take advantage of this flood so we can raise the value of our shares.

Examples of easy videos that help people learn about Devcoin, that you could probably make better than me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWsmx6JmqCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eMy2e2FEH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsM9BKo4lAk
sr. member
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November 17, 2013, 10:38:33 PM
I have sorted the issues with WooCommerce, the Devcoin bookstore is open again.

Working on a whole site refresh with new crypto-currency solutions accepting payments via DVC as well.
member
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November 17, 2013, 04:30:35 PM
does anyone have a dvc/usd chart to show?
newbie
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November 17, 2013, 03:33:16 PM
Devcoin funded microbiology series, I'll be getting a 1000x microscope semi-soon, and a 200x microscope is in the mail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOdP3No61R4
legendary
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November 17, 2013, 03:13:38 PM
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Each share is worth 487,804 devcoins.
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Yeah!   That's a lot of coin!
newbie
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November 17, 2013, 01:28:27 PM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT... These guys are going to need a few shares...

Look up:

Biological Teleportation. Not sure if it's online but if you turn on CSPAN-2 right now they are talking about it. (edit: never mind, literally just ended, just questions now)
Basically though, you can download a virus (like the flu) or a vaccine and you can print it out. They say they have insulin coming out already.

Then look up:

Digital Biological Converter, it's basically the 3D printer of life as we know it. We can now PRINT LIFE. They are working on printing bacteria and such soon.

And it all works by using blank cells and creating DNA in yeast. So It's actually EXTREMELY simple. As DNA is only made up of a few simple components, you don't even need lab grade shit.

Just going to say this again ^^^

They don't really need shares, I was just saying this is an amazing development. We should try to get on this shit.
legendary
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November 17, 2013, 08:43:23 AM
what makes us think, that the btc price stabilization is around the corner to see? I am tempted to think that it will continue rise into the thousands'... just to f*ck with me personally.... :/

Because people like to take profits. The price has tripled in about three weeks, it has to pull back at some point.

Re devcoin - yes, I meant billions :-)

Devcoin has actually made a lot of progress in the last six months - there is an ongoing experiment with monetising devtome, there are now new places to spend the coins that didn't exist before. What we really need is unthinkingbit to get interviewed on "lets talk bitcoin" about why devcoin is perfect for microtransactions (v low transaction fee in dollar terms compared to all other alts and bitcoin) and generally get the existence of the coin out there. Then we'll get new buyers.

It would help if some of the scam alts died. I understand back in 2012 there were concerted attempts to kill coins (successfully), but that seems to have died and there are now too many alts with no point to most of them beyond mining and pumping.
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November 17, 2013, 08:33:19 AM
what makes us think, that the btc price stabilization is around the corner to see? I am tempted to think that it will continue rise into the thousands'... just to f*ck with me personally.... :/
member
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November 17, 2013, 08:28:19 AM
"There are about 92 million devcoins in existence" - ahm, you meant billion, or sth else, right?
legendary
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November 17, 2013, 08:17:28 AM
can somebody please help me with reality-checking of my speculation logic: relatively, the higher the btc price goes, understandeably the alts go down, as we see. lets say, I invested 1m usd in btc a year ago, and now its worth 10m. would I not see high probabilty in putting those 10m into low worth altcoins? when to buy, if not, when they are low? If an altcoin gets air, it has the chance of getting back to its even former price, lets say it 5-10x whats its worth now, by simply the pump excitement. i am not saying, that btc won't reach from now 5-10x its value of 2500-5,000 usd, but its much less likely to happen in a given time period, than it is for it to happen to alts.
in april, i kinda had this logic, to ride the wave in the wave, but was impatient to let btc soar into its real highs. when following this logic, i was consciously looking for the smallest valued coin, this is how i ended up with DVC to be honest. i thought, that the lower the value, the higher the capability to volatility. --> if dvc goes now from 18 satoshis to 36, its not making news headlines. but when btc goes from 450 to 900 usd (same ratio), that is news all over. see? I have this logic, that small alts have this amazing potential to soar, but still. what is missing? or am i totally on the wrong track here? thoughts please.

and one more thing: i am not exactly getting the full picture, i am learning, but i hear you say, that the business modell of dvc so far actually makes people dump their coins right away. if that is true, lets fix this dynamic urgently... that would be ridiculous.

Back in April when bitcoin last had it's big surge, there were only about six or seven alt coins - and it was the fashion for newcomers to the bitcoin world to put some money in all of these "just in case".

There's now about 150 altcoins, and while a few people this time are talking about putting some money in altcoins, this time round the consensus in places like Reddit is that all alts are "scams", due to the sheer number of them. Those few newcomers who are interested in alts don't even know Devcoin exists because it doesn't get visibility on places like "lets talk bitcoins" or wired and the other "mainstream" places which occasionally write about alts.

Regarding the writers - they receive their coins 45,000 at a time, so while the small sales of 100,000 coins a time might be from them, the big dumps of several million coins at a time tend to be from savers who've accumulated in the last two years. There are about 92 million devcoins in existence - and as the bitcoin price rises, people are scouring their wallets and selling any and all alts they have for bitcoins, which they cash into dollars asap because the bitcoin price is likely to pull back (nothing goes up permanently in a straight line after all). All the alts have crashed as a result.

When the bitcoin price drops back a bit, the alts will stabilize too as the desperation to sell abates. It's a waiting game.
legendary
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November 17, 2013, 07:01:53 AM
can somebody please help me with reality-checking of my speculation logic: relatively, the higher the btc price goes, understandeably the alts go down, as we see. lets say, I invested 1m usd in btc a year ago, and now its worth 10m. would I not see high probabilty in putting those 10m into low worth altcoins? when to buy, if not, when they are low? If an altcoin gets air, it has the chance of getting back to its even former price, lets say it 5-10x whats its worth now, by simply the pump excitement. i am not saying, that btc won't reach from now 5-10x its value of 5000-10,000 usd, but its much less likely to happen in a given time period, than it is for it to happen to alts.
in april, i kinda had this logic, to ride the wave in the wave, but was impatient to let btc soar into its real highs. when following this logic, i was consciously looking for the smallest valued coin, this is how i ended up with DVC to be honest. i thought, that the lower the value, the higher the capability to volatility. --> if dvc goes now from 18 satoshis to 36, its not making news headlines. but when btc goes from 450 to 900 usd (same ratio), that is news all over. see? I have this logic, that small alts have this amazing potential to soar, but still. what is missing? or am i totally on the wrong track here? thoughts please.

and one more thing: i am not exactly getting the full picture, i am learning, but i hear you say, that the business modell of dvc so far actually makes people dump their coins right away. if that is true, lets fix this dynamic urgently... that would be ridiculous.

Gotta look at volume the liquidity isnt there for big players to come speculate. In the long run we are early adopters but ppl are only willing to play with liquid pairs which is fair... so your doing the right thing.. if btcchina gets dvc more volume higher price
member
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November 17, 2013, 06:56:59 AM
can somebody please help me with reality-checking of my speculation logic: relatively, the higher the btc price goes, understandeably the alts go down, as we see. lets say, I invested 1m usd in btc a year ago, and now its worth 10m. would I not see high probabilty in putting those 10m into low worth altcoins? when to buy, if not, when they are low? If an altcoin gets air, it has the chance of getting back to its even former price, lets say it 5-10x whats its worth now, by simply the pump excitement. i am not saying, that btc won't reach from now 5-10x its value of 2500-5,000 usd, but its much less likely to happen in a given time period, than it is for it to happen to alts.
in april, i kinda had this logic, to ride the wave in the wave, but was impatient to let btc soar into its real highs. when following this logic, i was consciously looking for the smallest valued coin, this is how i ended up with DVC to be honest. i thought, that the lower the value, the higher the capability to volatility. --> if dvc goes now from 18 satoshis to 36, its not making news headlines. but when btc goes from 450 to 900 usd (same ratio), that is news all over. see? I have this logic, that small alts have this amazing potential to soar, but still. what is missing? or am i totally on the wrong track here? thoughts please.

and one more thing: i am not exactly getting the full picture, i am learning, but i hear you say, that the business modell of dvc so far actually makes people dump their coins right away. if that is true, lets fix this dynamic urgently... that would be ridiculous.
legendary
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November 17, 2013, 06:56:09 AM
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Sorry I edited it, but miners getting 10% is fine since we are merge mined we don't have a problem with the hash rate.

The proposal is to reduce the writers pay to 45% of the 90% that is going to "developers". As bounties complete the value of the coin will rise giving more incentive to write and slowly reduce the 45% to use the ad revenue that should grow and help make devtome self sufficient. There writers payout percentage should be based on a metric and should reduce as the ad revenue increases. This should not be a set 45% but a max of 45% with no ad revenue.
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We can't predict when people will accomplish bounties, so it's impossible to put a fixed amount into bounties. However people overwhelmingly want more bounties, so we'll pay more. The bounties on the page:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now

were set when devcoin shares were worth around 15$ each. This round, because the huge increase in bitcoin price outweighed the decrease in btc/dvc price, and there were fewer words written, the share price will be around 40$, so all those bounties are worth more than double, which should be enough to get takers. Since the long term share price is 15$, it could go back down, so if the share price ever goes below 30$ I'll redouble bounty shares for anything that was not awarded.

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Maybe we could pay code by the 1k lines, and art per 1k pixels, and diversify the payout scheme.  (CodeTome.com, ArtTome.com)
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Code has to be paid by what it does. There's no mechanical way of determining how much code is worth, it's going to be subjective. If people want, we could pay some projects on the share lists more:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bitcoinshare.html
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devcoinshare.html

One way would be to make a rating system for projects, like we have for writers. It would have to be done by admins and people on the share lists also, because opening it up to everyone would make it easy to game:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devtome_rater#subjectivity

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art per 1k pixels, and diversify the payout scheme.  (CodeTome.com, ArtTome.com)
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We don't yet have the resources in money or admins to make other types of sites. We barely have enough to handle devtome now. If the bitcoin price keeps rising, we'll eventually have enough resources to make other sites.

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A piggy bank approach may offer a quicker way for bounties to be taken up. We would simply have to make them more visible to people through marketing ie add to workforcrypto.com and other places.. Admins should be doing this or set up a bounty to do this.

People can start by adding the existing bounties, with links to the original on the devtome page, to workforcrypto.com and other places.

Bounties take time to administer, and in future, to market and post in other places. Smeagol handles business bounties, if anyone has an idea for a business bounty message him. For other bounties, I'll add the choice of bounty admin for the next admins, until then I'll keep awarding the non business bounties. People can always post a request for a bounty. I don't have the time to also post bounties on other sites, so people can do that on their own until we get a bounty admin.

For new bounties, following the rule that the largest bounty that can be funded is about 1% of the market capitalization of devcoin (around 500,000$ at the time of writing), that means bounties can only be up to 5,000$. That's for the most important stuff, regular projects will be less than that. We can't fund big projects yet.


Why not let bounties add up until market decides when to take it.. why put hard limits? Why not set the rules instead of hoping others will conform?
newbie
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November 17, 2013, 12:24:44 AM
They were all ready to teleport something through the cloud earlier this year, but the government stopped them.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/craig-venters-biological-teleportation-device
newbie
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November 17, 2013, 12:00:05 AM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT... These guys are going to need a few shares...

Look up:

Biological Teleportation. Not sure if it's online but if you turn on CSPAN-2 right now they are talking about it. (edit: never mind, literally just ended, just questions now)
Basically though, you can download a virus (like the flu) or a vaccine and you can print it out. They say they have insulin coming out already.

Then look up:

Digital Biological Converter, it's basically the 3D printer of life as we know it. We can now PRINT LIFE. They are working on printing bacteria and such soon.

And it all works by using blank cells and creating DNA in yeast. So It's actually EXTREMELY simple. As DNA is only made up of a few simple components, you don't even need lab grade shit.
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