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legendary
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And markm, have you ever thought of looking for a solution, then posting that theorized solution instead of just explaining why something is so terrible ? This is a think tank not a whine tank.

Okay I just happened upon this video capture from OpenSimulator so checked to see whether it would actually work, and it did:

http://worldoflittlefield.wordpress.com/

It is just a video imbedded into a blog page, yet it actually managed to work.

They seem however to have blocked "view source" somehow so maybe if wordpress doesn't do that itself normally and it isn't just something they got, possibly without even realising it, as part of some template they used for their blog, possibly it might be the work of someone quite sophisticated who knows what they are doing.

Hovering it and rightclicking it and so on it seems that it is HTML5.

Someone said earlier HTML5 is actually not widely viewable though so maybe i have one of the few browser brands that happens to support it (Firefox)?

I think though my other browser, that I almost never actually use (Google's browser) also supposedly supports it. So I am not sure what doesn't support it?

Maybe Windows only supports some in-house variant of it? Or doesn't support it at all?

I don't usually even try to view videos because historically they almost never worked, even on machines that did have some old version of flash installed.

I don't have flash installed at all and that blog video works fine.

it is even on youtube, i just noticed! Though, again, maybe someone sophisticated had to force youtube to do it this way instead of some other format.

(Or maybe youtube detects the browser and pushes a version it knows the browser can use?)

-MarkM-
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Google/YouTube
As we have a new thread I would like to suggest that we keep it civil (as we do) even when silly ol' trolls come along.

Also if the Devcoiners could not reply to other threads that silly ol' trolls are on, they won't rise and get read by others.

Obviously some one is threatened by Devcoin or wants to replace it. Seeing as how the last silly ol' troll had advertising saying he'd promote new coins, maybe he was hired. Whatever. I think we should take it as a compliment that Devcoin and Devtome have something unique, as all can contribute and all can benefit.

I do agree with being civil.

However, it seemed more like a attack on Fin Shaggy, though both reasons seem valid. He was talking about DevCoin and competition, so that's also valid.

People are against finshaggy due to the whole "bitcoin town" idea. Unrelated to DVC.

Posting here so I can watch the thread!

And they are only against Bitcoin town because they are trolls.

Have you seen the people posting on the Bitcoin town thread? They are no better than owlsy
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Its as easy as 0, 1, 1, 2, 3
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So what's happened to the devcoin exchange rates? They had decreased dramatically!
legendary
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Can i suggest
[DVC] DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated by Aegis
signed. thats a much better topic name than the one being used now...
Or even take out the Aegis name and put  moderated. I don't think most people care who is moderating it; it's an "official" thread.
that works well too, when i first saw it, it remembered me of the Age of Empires 2 cheat "aegis" and was like, wtf? Grin

lol, in the sense of the coins it looks like it could be a fork or something. Just kind of out of place.
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Devtome is a DokuWiki platform. I've been working through their instructions trying get them on Devtome, but it's easier said than done. I still haven't got an internal image posted but more for lack of time.

Here is the link to "Plugins".
https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugins#creating_plugins

Here is link to "Users Manual".
https://www.dokuwiki.org/manual

I got "Advanced Syntax" on Devtome last night.
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devtome_advanced_syntax

Here's a DokuWiki "FAQ: page.
https://www.dokuwiki.org/faq

I'm still getting into it. You can access the DokuWiki by clicking on the icon on the bottom of a Devtome page, second icon from the right. Maybe some answers in here?

EDIT: There are a lot of pages that need to be copied over. Where ever you see red text (on Devtome) is a missing page.  

Ok thanks well I've categorised some but as I'm not sure about how any automated element works I'll leave it for now until it's clearer.
legendary
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Can i suggest
[DVC] DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated by Aegis
signed. thats a much better topic name than the one being used now...
Or even take out the Aegis name and put  moderated. I don't think most people care who is moderating it; it's an "official" thread.
that works well too, when i first saw it, it remembered me of the Age of Empires 2 cheat "aegis" and was like, wtf? Grin
legendary
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Can i suggest

[DVC] DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated by Aegis
signed. thats a much better topic name than the one being used now...

Or even take out the Aegis name and put  moderated. I don't think most people care who is moderating it; it's an "official" thread.
legendary
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/dev/null
Can i suggest

[DVC] DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated by Aegis
signed. thats a much better topic name than the one being used now...
legendary
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3. For example, I'm using Debian wtih Gnash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash) but not Adobe Flash, and I can watch Youtube videos. But not videos on other sites. Apparently most flash video players use some feature which is specific to Adobe Flash and are not compatible with Gnash. However, it is only a problem with player (i.e. a thing which shows buttons and whatnot), not a problem with video format itself.
4. FWIW Gnash uses ffmpeg/avcodec.

EDIT: Oh, it isn't video, it is Flash animation. I've downloaded it and it seems to be work fine with Gnash, so it is open source enough, I guess.

Okay so maybe the problem is the browsers, they claim a plugin is needed to view flash, and they aren't offering any free open source flash viewing tool they just send me to macromedia or adobe or whoever and they say sorry we are not going to be supporting Linux.

So maybe the free open source browser folks just don't know yet that there is a free open source flash viewer they can point people to, or they have not plugged it in yet because so far the commerical/propriery one has not actually stopped support yet they are just saying they are going to.

For youtube I often used to be told by the browser it simply cannot find any plugin at all that can view whatever it was that it thought i needed a plugin to view. I haven't actually run into that lately for some reason but maybe mostly because I got used to not bothering to click on links to youtube.

-MarkM-


Isn't youtube using html5 video too?

I don't think so. Last month I did a reformat and had to install flash to view videos again. Unless they changed it since then.
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Can i suggest

[DVC] DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated by Aegis
legendary
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Missing pages are sometimes ones not yet written, the red simply indicates the author hopes a page about the red term will exist someday; they might not even be planning to write such a page someday themselves, they might just be indicating its a page that would have links waiting to send traffic if someone did bother to write such a page.

Looking for red spots might be a good way to come up with ideas for articles. Though probably best check the author of the red won't mind someone else going ahead and whipping up a page to fill the indicated need. For me for example I make links to Galactic Milieu pages i expect to have to write someday and would want to write those myself, but also to terms that likely other places like wikipedia or whatever have articles on so we probably also should but that aren't directly on the route of the writing agenda i have at the time. Free links for whoever does make the page, and also indications i'd rather refer to a page about it on devtome than resort to putting a link to a wikipedia article about it.

its a pain going back later looking for pages that mention your new page's topic and wikifying them, seemed more reasonable to wikify them from the start so once the page does get written going searching for places to put links to it won't be necessary. Or not as necessary anyway.

-MarkM-
legendary
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Isn't youtube using html5 video too?

If it is that might explain why i have not had trouble lately viewing youtube videos the few times I have bothered. (I even have speakers/earphones now so have tried once or twice just to see if those work. I still hate the lack of random-access visual scan for parts worth reading though so still prefer written material. Maybe a speed control would help to be able to make it go faster without actually missing what you are zooming through...)

-MarkM-
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3. For example, I'm using Debian wtih Gnash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash) but not Adobe Flash, and I can watch Youtube videos. But not videos on other sites. Apparently most flash video players use some feature which is specific to Adobe Flash and are not compatible with Gnash. However, it is only a problem with player (i.e. a thing which shows buttons and whatnot), not a problem with video format itself.
4. FWIW Gnash uses ffmpeg/avcodec.

EDIT: Oh, it isn't video, it is Flash animation. I've downloaded it and it seems to be work fine with Gnash, so it is open source enough, I guess.

Okay so maybe the problem is the browsers, they claim a plugin is needed to view flash, and they aren't offering any free open source flash viewing tool they just send me to macromedia or adobe or whoever and they say sorry we are not going to be supporting Linux.

So maybe the free open source browser folks just don't know yet that there is a free open source flash viewer they can point people to, or they have not plugged it in yet because so far the commerical/propriery one has not actually stopped support yet they are just saying they are going to.

For youtube I often used to be told by the browser it simply cannot find any plugin at all that can view whatever it was that it thought i needed a plugin to view. I haven't actually run into that lately for some reason but maybe mostly because I got used to not bothering to click on links to youtube.

-MarkM-


Isn't youtube using html5 video too?
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Reposting this, if this is THE thread (I'd bin the 'aegis' part of the title as just confusing)

Good as the other thread was locked.

is our wiki system really primitive or something (it mgiht well be)? As I thought in wikis once you put a categories section at the bottom of your article the category pages pick it up automatically, no one has to manually go around picking out page names and pasting them into the category pages, on the contrary the category pages are automatically created/generated and updated by the software.

All my pages I put a category on the bottom of should automagically appear on the corresponding category pages. in fact possibly even if i label them as in a category that does not exist it is possible the system is intended to automatically create that category, though i am not sure on that, maybe wikipedia doesn't want new categories made up on the spot for example.

it is possible that the script to create/update the categories is not being run on schedule by the cron daemon, but if so probably a human is expected to run it periodically.

Basically all the work you did pasting pagenames in the category pages should have been done by simply running a script.

it still of course depends on pages actually having a categories section listing what categories the page belongs in.

-MarkM-

I'm not sure but either way it wasn't being done. I wasn't aware of any auto categorisation pick-up, I actually only realised I was even meant to categorise after reading it all through again more recently. This seems to be the same for most others, who like me haven't and don't categorise at the base of articles. I've also only realised in the last day that there's a difference between say [[[category:topic]] and [[topic]] so that's my learning curve issue and slowly amending any I've created without it. Problem is that my ignorance is similar to most others'.

A more automated/familiarity with an exisiting conceptual system would be great. Even if it already exists and I'm missing the point (or doing it wrong - especially if I'm doing it wrong), if there's a quicker/better way of doing it I'd love to know about it.
legendary
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3. For example, I'm using Debian wtih Gnash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash) but not Adobe Flash, and I can watch Youtube videos. But not videos on other sites. Apparently most flash video players use some feature which is specific to Adobe Flash and are not compatible with Gnash. However, it is only a problem with player (i.e. a thing which shows buttons and whatnot), not a problem with video format itself.
4. FWIW Gnash uses ffmpeg/avcodec.

EDIT: Oh, it isn't video, it is Flash animation. I've downloaded it and it seems to be work fine with Gnash, so it is open source enough, I guess.

Okay so maybe the problem is the browsers, they claim a plugin is needed to view flash, and they aren't offering any free open source flash viewing tool they just send me to macromedia or adobe or whoever and they say sorry we are not going to be supporting Linux.

So maybe the free open source browser folks just don't know yet that there is a free open source flash viewer they can point people to, or they have not plugged it in yet because so far the commerical/propriery one has not actually stopped support yet they are just saying they are going to.

For youtube I often used to be told by the browser it simply cannot find any plugin at all that can view whatever it was that it thought i needed a plugin to view. I haven't actually run into that lately for some reason but maybe mostly because I got used to not bothering to click on links to youtube. (People seldom bother to include transcripts and I didn't want sound on my computer as I already had that on my television.)

-MarkM-
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I think that what doesn't make sense is what markm said. It's strange because I think he should have clear what is open source and what it is not.
Edit: Open source means that I will publish the source files, and allow people to view, edit and create new versions of this source files, despite the software I used to create it is not open source. That's what I have learned.

I am saying flash source code is not suitable for devcoin backing because flash is a proprietary language not a free open language-specification, as far as I know.

If indeed flash is a free open specification that other people besides macromedia or whoever it is has free open source viewers for, even then it is probably not suitable. There were free open source viewers for GIFs but still GIFs don't go in distros.

Can't flash building tools output normal animation formats, whatever they are? (Not animated GIFs, as GIFs are also deprecated...)

-MarkM-


Well I was thinking of making a normal video format, not an animation format... (of course not thinking of GIF at all). About the source code, it'd be a .fla format.
legendary
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I think that what doesn't make sense is what markm said. It's strange because I think he should have clear what is open source and what it is not.
Edit: Open source means that I will publish the source files, and allow people to view, edit and create new versions of this source files, despite the software I used to create it is not open source. That's what I have learned.

I am saying flash source code is not suitable for devcoin backing because flash is a proprietary language not a free open language-specification, as far as I know.

If indeed flash is a free open specification that other people besides macromedia or whoever it is has free open source viewers for, even then it is probably not suitable. There were free open source viewers for GIFs but still GIFs don't go in distros.

Can't flash building tools output normal animation formats, whatever they are? (Not animated GIFs, as GIFs are also deprecated...)

-MarkM-
legendary
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Reposting this, if this is THE thread (I'd bin the 'aegis' part of the title as just confusing)

Good as the other thread was locked.

is our wiki system really primitive or something (it mgiht well be)? As I thought in wikis once you put a categories section at the bottom of your article the category pages pick it up automatically, no one has to manually go around picking out page names and pasting them into the category pages, on the contrary the category pages are automatically created/generated and updated by the software.

All my pages I put a category on the bottom of should automagically appear on the corresponding category pages. in fact possibly even if i label them as in a category that does not exist it is possible the system is intended to automatically create that category, though i am not sure on that, maybe wikipedia doesn't want new categories made up on the spot for example.

it is possible that the script to create/update the categories is not being run on schedule by the cron daemon, but if so probably a human is expected to run it periodically.

Basically all the work you did pasting pagenames in the category pages should have been done by simply running a script.

it still of course depends on pages actually having a categories section listing what categories the page belongs in.

-MarkM-
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I agree with you with all you have said, it is rather better to use open source licenses. I will never give my money to companies such as Adobe. At this moment, due to my experience and free time, I can't manage to work with an open source alternative. But this doesn't mean that the work I create will be propietary work.

It is the actual product I am concerned about. A movie that you need a proprietary viewer to view is not suitable, it has to be in a codex that is open source and that has open source viewers avilable to view it.

Even if any open source viewers can view it, the actual media itself, the codex, the file they tell the viewer to display, should be an open source codex/format/type.

People should not need to use flash to see the thing.

-MarkM-
Nice, have you tried with these formats I uploaded few posts ago? You should view them properly (webm or ogv).
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