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March 22, 2016, 11:29:21 PM

This is a very good question. I did not go into the distinction between life non life because it takes us far from the realm of economics and deep into metaphysics. This is simply not a question you can answer with science for it is a question of metaphysics. For example one can make the metaphysical choice that “it’s all just random events” but this choice has significant nihilistic implications. Lets examine some of the other choices we can make. 

Indeed, if you dig too deep you hit metaphysics and philosophy, science can only barely scratch the surface of reality.



The holographic principle does more than simply establish a non-falsifiable thought experiment. It also provides a mathematical model that reconciles quantum mechanics and gravity which up until this point physics has largely failed to do.

Of course but as of this moment it's only pseudoscience.

It's just the imagination of physicists + some spooky math from string theory and other quackeries.

You know string theory is like the keynesianism of physics, it all sounds very good but beneath the surface it's just a load of crap.



Seriously, physicists have hit a brick wall after QM, and now they desperately try to come up with explanations even if nothing backs them up but their own imagination.

Come on, string theory really?  So the fabric of the universe is bunch of strings that vibrate in 11 dimensions?

I guarantee you the theist explanation of the universe is more plausible than that. It sounds like you get this theory out of Star Trek or something, these physicists must be high or something.
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March 22, 2016, 09:18:30 PM
Combining the above insights leads us to the idea that the world around us indeed the entire universe is simply the projection of a deeper fundamental reality. A universe with consciousness, as its ultimate teleology where consciousness operates upon matter with the proximate goal of sustaining and developing itself via instantiations in matter. A universe where entropy always increases and entropy is understood as information for consciousness to act upon.

This model cannot currently be proven true but neither can you disprove it or reject it as illogical for it for it is logically sound. Indeed one can even argue that this model better explains our universe for this model allows you to reconcile gravity and quantum mechanics a task which traditional models have been unable to accomplish.
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March 22, 2016, 08:59:46 PM
I think the holographic universe theory is also a big crap, it's just a high-tech version of the brain in a jar theory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
Which is impossible to prove.

The holographic principle does more than simply establish a non-falsifiable thought experiment. It also provides a mathematical model that reconciles quantum mechanics and gravity which up until this point physics has largely failed to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity#Gravity_and_quantum_mechanics
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In the decades after the discovery of general relativity, it was realized that general relativity is incompatible with quantum mechanics. It is possible to describe gravity in the framework of quantum field theory like the other fundamental forces, such that the attractive force of gravity arises due to exchange of virtual gravitons, in the same way as the electromagnetic force arises from exchange of virtual photons. This reproduces general relativity in the classical limit. However, this approach fails at short distances of the order of the Planck length, where a more complete theory of quantum gravity (or a new approach to quantum mechanics) is required.

Below is a description of how the holographic principle reconciles quantum mechanics with gravity

http://fqxi.org/community/articles/display/132

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A new model in which gravity is not a fundamental force could—counterintuitively—give a controversial quantum gravity theory a boost. It may also change our picture of spacetime, and do away with dark energy.

Hawking and ’t Hooft had both worked on the so-called holographic principle, which relates the information content—or entropy—of a black hole to the surface area of its event horizon, the hypothetical sphere around the black hole where gravity becomes so strong even light can’t escape. It’s as if the horizon is a spherical television screen with all the information about the three-dimensional volume within encoded on the pixels on its surface. Verlinde has shown that by combining the holographic principle with the thermodynamic quantities of heat and mechanical work, it’s relatively straightforward to derive Newton’s classical equation of gravity. (See "Decoding Entropic Gravity" for more details.)

The work has been causing a stir amongst physicists. "Verlinde’s paper is remarkable in that we all felt so stupid for not having seen it before," says FQXi’s Lee Smolin of the Perimeter Institute, Ontario. "The mathematics involved is just high school algebra."

It might sound like re-inventing the wheel, but the approach implies that gravity is nothing more than the result of a system maximising its entropy, or disorder. At first glance, this looks like bad news for the quantum gravity crowd. If gravity is an "entropic force," there is no longer a need for physicists to attempt to reconcile general relativity with quantum mechanics, or hunt for the hypothetical graviton (the particle posited to carry the gravitational force just as photons mediate the electromagnetic force), says Paul Frampton, at the University of Tokyo in Japan. Rather, all we need to explain the interactions of particles is the Standard Model of particle physics and entropy. "It means that everyone looking into quantum gravity is misguided," says Frampton.

Verlinde’s model is tied to earlier work by FQXi member Ted Jacobson, who had shown in 1995 that Einstein’s equations of general relativity could be derived using thermodynamics and the holographic principle. "The wonderful thing about the arguments of Jacobson and Verlinde is they give a deep reason for why a quantum theory of gravity should yield the phenomena of gravitation

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March 22, 2016, 08:56:13 PM
Reconceptualizing the metaphysical basis of biology: a new definition based on deistic teleology and an hierarchy of organizing entities

By Bruce G. Charlton

https://thewinnower.com/papers/3497-reconceptualizing-the-metaphysical-basis-of-biology-a-new-definition-based-on-deistic-teleology-and-an-hierarchy-of-organizing-entities

Strikingly, there has been no success in the attempts over sixty-plus years to create life in the laboratory under plausible ancestral earth conditions – not even the complex bio-molecules such as proteins and nucleic acids. It has, indeed, been well-argued that this is impossible; and that ‘living life’ must therefore have evolved from an intermediate stage (or stages) of non-living but evolvable molecules such as crystals – perhaps clays (Cairns-Smith, 1987). But nobody has succeeded in doing that in the lab either, despite that artificial selection can be orders of magnitude faster than natural selection.

Since there is no acknowledged boundary dividing biology and not-biology, then it would seem that biology as currently understood has zero validity as a subject. What are the implications of our failure to divide the living from the non-living world: the failure to draw a line around the subject? Well, since there is no coherent boundary, then common sense leads us to infer in that case either everything is not-alive or everything is-alive. If nothing is-alive, not even ourselves, there seems to be no coherent possibility of us knowing that we ourselves are not-alive, or indeed of anything knowing anything – which, I take it, means we should reject that possibility as a reductio ad absurdum.

Alternatively, the implication is that if anything is-alive, then everything is-alive, including the mineral world – so we dwell in a wholly animated universe, all that there is being alive but – presumably – alive in very different degrees and with different qualities of life. This inference I intend to regard as valid: it will be my working metaphysical assumption, and is one to which we will return later.

So; if life is to be regarded as universal, it seems that the presence of ‘life’ can no longer be used as definitive of biology; and since reproduction/ replication is also inadequate, then we need a new basis or principle around-which may be made a different definition of the subject ‘biology’. I will argue, below, why this new principle should be ‘development’.


THE NECESSITY FOR TELEOLOGY IN THE METAPHYSICS OF BIOLOGY
Natural selection is an inadequate metaphysical basis for biology because it lacks teleology - a goal, direction or purpose.

This lack of teleology means that the potential for meaning - for knowledge - is excluded from the system of biology, and from any other system which depends upon it.

Thus natural selection is radically too small a metaphysical frame - it leaves out so much that is so important, that what remains is not even a coherent subject. This is revealed in the un-definability of biology and the incapability of biology to understand the meaning of life and its origins, major transitions and categories. Without teleology, biology is self-destroying.

Indeed - without teleology we cannot know. I mean we cannot explain how humans could have valid knowledge about anything. No knowledge of any kind is possible. If Natural Selection is regarded as the bottom-line explanation - the fundamental metaphysical reality (as it is for biology, and often is with respect to the human condition) then this has radically nihilistic consequences. And this is a paradox – if natural selection was the only mechanism by which consciousness and intelligence arose then we could have no confidence that the human discovery of natural selection was anything more than a (currently, but contingently) fitness-enhancing delusion.

The reason is that natural selection is at best – and when correctly applied - merely descriptive of what-happened-to-happen. Since there was no reason why things had-to-be as they actually were, and there is no reason why the present situation should stay the same, then there will be no reason to suppose that the future outcome is predictable. There is no greater validity to what-happened-to-happen compared with an infinite number of possible other things that might have happened - so there is no reason to defer to what-happened-to-happen, no reason why what-happened-to-happen is good, true, just, powerful or anything else - what-happened-to-happen is just what led to greater differential reproductive success for some length of time under historical (and contingent) circumstances. Nothing more.

Therefore - if humans are nothing more nor other than naturally-selected organisms - then there is zero validity to: cognition, emotions, intelligence, intuitions, morality, art, or science - including that there is no validity to the theory of evolution by natural selection. None of the above have any validity - because they all are merely products of what-happened-to-happen (and are open-endedly liable to further change).

In sum - Without teleology, there can be no possibility of knowledge.

(This is not some kind of a clever paradox - it is an unavoidable rational conclusion.)

If, and only if, biology includes direction and purpose, is the subject compatible with the reality of knowledge. A new and better metaphysics of biology must therefore include teleology.

STATEMENT OF THE NEW TELEOLOGICAL METAPHYSICS: THE HIERARCHY OF ORGANIZING ENTITIES
The chronological sequence of the new metaphysics is the reverse of the usual posited in biology. Current biology usually assumes that matter precedes life; life precedes the brain; the brain precedes cognition – in other words that a solid brain comes before cognition (thinking) - including purposiveness - emerged.

By contrast, I suggest that consciousness and purpose are the starting point – and that consciousness, with its ultimate teleology, therefore operates upon matter with the proximate goal of sustaining and developing itself via instantiations in matter - instantiation here meaning the specific and actual realization of an abstraction: building of abstraction into solid form. Therefore, (baldly-stated) consciousness ‘organized’ brains.

(The above conceptualization owes much to the work of Owen Barfield, who was himself expressing ideas of Rudolf Steiner, who was in turn JW von Goethe’s scientific editor for the standard collected works – so this theory has its ultimate roots in Goethe’s biology; see for example Barfield, 1982; Naydler, 1996).

So that (to put things simply); initially consciousness sufficed to organize undifferentiated matter into ‘physics’, ‘physics’ into ‘chemistry’, and ‘chemistry’ into what we recognize as the emergence of biological entities in their most basic forms. And the directing consciousness which drove biological evolution was further subdivided and specialized; for example regulating the basic transitions and divisions of life, and beyond them the further groupings down to species, then particular human groups.

This system of consciousnesses can be imagined as an hierarchy of organizing entities


Bruce G. Charlton is a British medical doctor and Visiting Professor of Theoretical Medicine at the University of Buckingham. Charlton graduated with honours from the Newcastle Medical School in Newcastle upon Tyne, took a doctorate at the Medical Research Council Neuroendocrinology group, and did postgraduate training in psychiatry and public health. He has held university lectureships in physiology, anatomy, epidemiology, and psychology; and holds a Master's degree in English Literature from Durham University in North East England. From 2003 to 2010, Charlton was the solo-editor of the journal Medical Hypotheses, published by Elsevier
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March 22, 2016, 08:50:17 PM
The goal of nature is a very abstract topic but if we limit ourselves to the subset of nature we consider life we see fairly quickly that its goal is not to maintain a zero sum game, and to revert back the probability distribution outcomes to the mean. The essay on entropy below is incomplete and focuses too much on the effect of entropy on individual organisms rather than species as a whole but it is sufficient to demonstrate this point.
I dont think life is a subset of nature, but all of nature. It's only life from human point of view, but how does it look from a rock's point of view?

It's just random events, there is nothing special about humans, only we think that it is, humans are no more special than a rock on a shore.

This is a very good question. I did not go into the distinction between life non life because it takes us far from the realm of economics and deep into metaphysics. This is simply not a question you can answer with science for it is a question of metaphysics. For example one can make the metaphysical choice that “it’s all just random events” but this choice has significant nihilistic implications. Lets examine some of the other choices we can make.  

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TELEOLOGICAL METAPHYSICS

Metaphysics is the branch of philosophy concerned with basic assumptions – descriptive of the fundamental nature of reality. Science takes place within metaphysics, and therefore the results of science (any possible results of science) can neither prove nor refute any metaphysical description – although some metaphysical systems will more clearly and simply make sense of (or ‘explain’) science than others.

In this sense metaphysics (which is to say a ‘paradigm’) is not ‘testable’ by science. This is because metaphysics itself underpins the definition of science (or a specific science such as biology); metaphysics determines what counts as a test, what observations to make and also how to interpret observations. For instance, no amount of biological research can ever decide whether biology is 1. the science of alive things or 2. the science of replicating things. This is not possible since definition 1 leads to one kind of biology using one type of expertise and methods; but definition 2 to another kind of biology with very different personnel and methods, as we have seen emerge over the past 70 years.
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March 22, 2016, 07:35:32 AM

There is a very real possibility that gravity is simply an emergent phenomenon of entropy.

If you dissect it, then its probably a binary system.  Order & chaos, to balance the universe.

Order = Gravity
Chaos = Entropy , Dark energy, whatever name you wanna give it

It's the 2 side of the same coin, but they are opposite to eachother.




Quantum Mechanics is not simply a mechanism for guessing things. It offers us a deep insight that the world is not as it appears to our senses. It is quantum mechanics that leads us to the conclusion that we may actually be living in a Holographic Universe. The idea the the the world around us indeed the entire universe is simply the projection of a deeper reality. 

I`m skeptic about QM, i think the entire theory is flawed, since most scientists are too rigid to their beliefs and they are doing data fitting.

For example string theory in my opinion is just a big load of crap, because it's just data fitting to your theory. They cant explain how relativity and QM is linked, so they use string theory and other crap to support their theories, when it's just data fitting.


In his essay The Universe Anonymint draws our attention to the the holographic principle. Specifically the fascinating notion that when you combine the the holographic principle with the thermodynamic quantities of heat and mechanical work it is relatively straightforward to derive Newton’s classical equation of gravity.

I think the holographic universe theory is also a big crap, it's just a high-tech version of the brain in a jar theory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

Which is impossible to prove, but it's so trendy and makes scientists popular if they talk about it, that they get more tax dollar funding.

They have to come up with trendy ideas like this to get more tax money, while these philosophical ideas were already being debated for centuries.




The goal of nature is a very abstract topic but if we limit ourself to the subset of nature we consider life we see fairly quickly that it's goal is not to maintain a zero sum game, and to revert back the probability distribution outcomes to the mean. The essay on entropy below is incomplete and focuses too much on the effect of entropy on individual organisms rather then species as a whole but it is sufficient to demonstrate this point.

I dont, i dont think life is a subset of nature, but all of nature. It's only life from human point of view, but how does it look from a rock's point of view?

It's just random events, there is nothing special about humans, only we think that it is, humans are no more special than a rock on a shore.
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2016 is a US presiential election so the FED will not let the market crash but the dollar will crash as the FED keeps printing, the US government keeps borrowing and the rest of the world is loosing faith in the ability of the US to end up in front
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March 21, 2016, 10:12:15 AM

Yes, you are right, socialism is unstoppable unfortunately, because it seems that nature has a hidden force that tries to equalize things.

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So if the endgame financial collapse will come, and the banking sector collapses, the elites losing their money, then maybe socialism will get weaker, and we can get back to traditional capitalism.

What do you think??


I agree with the concept of a hidden force. This force is Group Selection as outlined by Charlton. It is also the same fundamental force that was discussed from the perspective of entropy in Anonymint's Thesis on Life.

Group selection is the process of promoting sustained reproductive success (lineal survival) of the group, in face of the spontaneous tendency for random change to promote the individual (and other lower level, below group) levels of selection. From an entropic frame of reference it is the interaction of ordered lifeforms to create a system of yet higher information content via a system of evolution. Entropy in this context is the sum of the logarithmic relation of the number and probability of the possible configurations (a.k.a. states) in the system, i.e. it is measure of the granularity and uniformness of possibilities in the system, i.e. the availability to fitness (to receive work) of the system. Group selection and entropic force are simply two ways of describing the same phenomenon.

The goal of nature is not equality but progress and progress is clearly a knowledge age as described in The Rise of Knowledge. There is a functional role for socialism in a healthy economy as I have argued elsewhere in my Defense of Socialism. Sadly our extreme socialism is something else entirely. Modern socialism appears to be more of a population culling mechanism and it is likely to continue for some time for the reasons discussed in Understand Everything Fundamentally. In its wake it will leave a population selected for a knowledge age. Socialism will not fundamentally undermine the current global financial elite who's power and influence will grow in tandem with it. It is the gradual rise of a subsequent knowledge age that will not only herald a return to traditional capitalism but also dilute the power of the current elite.
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March 20, 2016, 10:09:37 PM

In 1968 Dr. Calhoun created 'Mouse Utopia' a large fixed environment with unlimited food, and water, free of disease and predators intermittently cleaned and regularly resupplied.

In short let me summarize this article if you are too lazy to read it:  

Communists and Socialists will destroy humanity if they succeed!

Socialism cannot be stopped for the reasons briefly touched on in Understand Everything Fundamentally. Attempts at education will also fail in the short term because the fundamental economic forces favor socialism. Socialism is pushing us towards centralized global government which while inefficient is decisively more efficient then multiple feuding centralized nations.

The evolution of the social contract appears to be a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. I suspect that in the future republics will be consumed by world government, world government will evolve into decentralized government, and decentralized government will finally mature into a shared consensus among individuals with limited or no government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity.

In my multiple debates with Anonymint I recall one instance when he decisively got the better of me. It was a discussion regarding socialism and I was arguing it should be opposed. His handle was iamback at the time.

In what way are these mutually exclusive? Provided one does not neglect personal decentralized self-sufficiency why shouldn't a rational actor in our current environment also participate in the local collective and attempt to restrain said collective. To do otherwise is to yield the floor to those who will make decentralized self-sufficiency more difficult to achieve.

Because you will waste time and effort that could have been used to actually achieve it without being slave (dependent) on what the State does. And you will not stop the State from spiraling into the abyss, because the majority is going to demand expropriation. You can't suddenly change the situation of the majority. The majority has no other option and all the (political or even violent) fighting you do can't give them another option.

The economic reality and trajectory was written into stone decades ago. It can't be altered. The economic reality is what it is.

My advice to everyone is pay off all your debt because in a deflationary collapse that is underway (see oil under $50 today!) the government can take your assets and leave you with debt to pay but no assets to pay with. And debtor's prisons are returning. Even though I was reduced to near pauper, I prioritized paying off my credit card debts in 2014 and did pay $20,000 of it off for less than $10,000 by accepting best offers for negotiated settlement. I only have about $2000 of debt remaining (except that my ex took out a $25,000 student loan recently and I don't know if the USA will try to pin that on me).

Also radically reduce the risk to unjust IRS audits and assessments, because these will become more common.

Also radically reduce the risk to lawsuits, because these will become more common as westerners get desperate.

Then the next priority is to align your vocation with the Knowledge Age and so you have income even during global economic collapse and your skills are transportable to any location you might choose to move to as the chaos takes form.

Anonymint's advice was correct but incomplete. When you couple a mechanism of progressive and increasing dependency (socialism) with a fundamentally unsustainable financial system (fractional reserve fiat) the probable result is a system who's declared role is helping the poor but who's insolvency dictates policies geared towards sterilization. Such a result requires a certain degree of cognitive dissonance and a government who believes it is helping you while it works to ensure you do not reproduce.

Toxicity of the Modern World

In Brave New World, Aldous Huxley envisioned a future where the masses were rendered infertile and controlled with pleasure and drugs. Is that the world we live in now? Anyone over that age of 25 may not realize how far traditional courtship and dating has been undermined by modernity. The tinder generation is being conditioned to swipe right on their onscreen app and meet up later for random sexual gratification. This phenomena has been described by Vanity Fair as nothing less than a dating apocalypse.

In Colorado long acting implantable contraceptives which a render women infertile for up to 10 years and require a doctor’s visit to remove have been implanted in 26% of young women age 15-24 as of 2013.

In 2015 an advisory body to the US Department of Health and Human Services recommended that Medicaid examine how often doctors are using “most effective” or “moderately effective” contraception. Only contraception deemed “highly effective” or “moderately effective” (Long acting implantable or long acting injections) would be included in the proposed measurement. Doctor’s with a low percentage of young patients using such contraception would presumably be rated as giving lower quality care.

We appear to be living in a “Utopia” of declining fitness and capability. An age of existential exhaustion manifested by an ageing, hedonistic society characterized by declining marriage, and near zero children.

Add to this data the very real possibility of more direct government action. The Catholic church in Kenya has accused the government of secretly injecting young women with an anti-fertility vaccine disguised as a tetanus vaccine. Either the Catholic bishops are lying or the Kenyan government is.  
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/01/19/kenyan-bishops-call-for-no-more-tetanus-vaccines-until-further-tests/

The situation can be looked at abstractly as the sudden and dramatic restoration of extreme selective pressure on mankind. Unlike our ancient history when we were subjected to violence, starvation, and disease the new pressure comes in the form of dependence, hedonism, and sterilization. As a species we have never been subjected to this kind of pressure before and are likely to be highly susceptible. Halting the reimposition of selective pressure is economically impossible and perhaps even inadvisable for it is the restoration of selective pressure that will ultimately prevent 'mouse utopia'. Astute individuals can avoid 'government help' by actively working to avoid dependency a task that will become increasingly difficult with time. Intellectual adaptability alone is not enough. It is also necessary to resist the decadence, hedonism, and social decay peddled by modernity. In Atheism and Health I argued that faith provides the best chance of success but other strategies may also be viable. Socialism will burn itself out gradually over time. Until it does the best course of action is avoidance of the inferno. It is the ashes of socialism that will pave the way for the knowledge age outlined in The Rise of Knowledge. When dealing with the proponents of socialism the proper emotion is not anger but pity.
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March 20, 2016, 07:09:24 PM

In 1968 Dr. Calhoun created 'Mouse Utopia' a large fixed environment with unlimited food, and water, free of disease and predators intermittently cleaned and regularly resupplied.

In short let me summarize this article if you are too lazy to read it: 

Communists and Socialists will destroy humanity if they succeed!
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I favor Chile.  Good personal liberty, climate, education levels, and some nice natural resources (copper, lithium, &c).  Very long flights however.
I've been living in Buenos Aires since October. Lovely summer here which is now slowly coming to an end. Chile and Uruguay were my 2nd and 3rd choices. The Southern Cone is highly livable and free compared to the rest of the continent.

Article 19 of the Argentinian (I only use Argentine as the demonym) constitution : "The private actions of men that in no way offend public order or morality, nor injure a third party, are reserved only to God, and are exempt from the authority of the magistrates. No inhabitant of the Nation shall be compelled to do what the law does not order, or be deprived of what it does not forbid."

Of course theory and practice have often differed, but it feels free here.

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I do like the survivability of the Southern Hemisphere.  And fascist Australia is no option.
Certain simulations show a nuclear war in the Northern Hemisphere would result in much lower levels of fallout down here thanks to the equatorial doldrums. The Southern Hemisphere is entirely nuclear weapon free by treaty except for remote territories of countries such as the UK (e.g. Ascension Island which hosts an NSA SIGINT base).
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rokki, CoinCube has been generalizing my musings to comprise more sociology, biology, and evolutionary theory and economics. He can probably reiterate a link to his new thread, which also contains some back links to upthread discussion. I am having difficulty keeping up lately due to a focus on the following (and on treating my chronic health issue):

I think you leaving this forum would be a loss.  I know you are a "true believer", and there are very fewer people of that mindset left in crypto.  It's nice to see someone sticking to their convictions.

I'm still reading. I just don't want to fight the same argumentative battles over and over again. This forum is victor to least weary. A battle of attrition by one man trying to argue with a continuous stream of newbies, is just an insane waste of productivity that could be more valuable if applied on development work.

I know you are a "true believer", and there are very fewer people of that mindset left in crypto.

I do not believe we can make a system that is resistant to government. What I am shooting for now is to make a system that is so fucking popular and also decentralized, that it becomes the political choice. And hoping the people then say to the government, "don't touch my internet, I like it the way it is now where I can pay anyone anytime without permission or interference".
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Hi rokki welcome

I am not the author of the two articles highlighted in the opening post. They were written by Anonymint who now goes by the handle TPTB_need_war.

You are the first person say they arrived here from Bing. Until recently this thread only came up on google searches but I just checked and see it comes up on Bing now too.

As of right now neither myself or Anonymint has an active web blog. Anonymint mostly confines his musings and insights here though I believe he is also sometimes active on Reddit as well. This thread is somewhat massive and has benefited from many very intelligent posters who have visited and contributed to the discussion. I have tried to highlight some of the major themes in my addendum to the opening post as well as in the CoinCube highlights section. Those are probably the best place to start to get up to speed.
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March 12, 2016, 05:14:18 PM
I favor Chile.  Good personal liberty, climate, education levels, and some nice natural resources (copper, lithium, &c).  Very long flights however.
A free market. Socialism can never provide that. Never.
I don't think socialism can stop it.  Not for long anyhow.  

I also don't think Chile can be properly categorized as a socialist state.  It has some socialist characteristics, as do most advanced systems, such as one might actually wish to live amongst, but I doubt they would ever interfere with my own freedom as more than a minor inconvenience.  Anyhow, my wife will never move to Chile, so neither will I.  Pure armchair talk for me.

I do like the survivability of the Southern Hemisphere.  And fascist Australia is no option.

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I broke down your argument for centralized sound money.
Attaboy.

Anyhow, there will be centralized sound money.  Among many other competing kinds.  So I don't think it needs my advocacy, nor is it deeply vulnerable to your critique.

How about this for a stalking horse:  

Taxation is nearing its end of life.  Future government spending, including a guaranteed basic income, will be accomplished by money supply inflation.  This is actually inevitable, because debt-backed money is intrinsically unstable, and government is intrinsically incapable of operating profitably without extortion under a hard currency or debt-based system.  The locally stable end-point is monetary financing.
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March 11, 2016, 11:34:48 PM
I favor Chile.  Good personal liberty, climate, education levels, and some nice natural resources (copper, lithium, &c).  Very long flights however.


A free market. Socialism can never provide that. Never. See even my breakdown of directing voting in the Mad Max thread. Similarly I broke down your argument for centralized sound money.
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March 11, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
...

aminorx

I just noticed your:

"Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate."

A lot like winning a block or waiting on a confirmation!

MUY BUENO
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March 11, 2016, 06:23:36 PM
I favor Chile.  Good personal liberty, climate, education levels, and some nice natural resources (copper, lithium, &c).  Very long flights however.
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March 11, 2016, 03:49:21 PM


Trump endorses NSA and is againt Apple's petition to protect encryption. Now he joins with Christie who was staunchly pro-NSA in the prior debates:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/christie-endorses-trump-why-the-shock/

Trump will destroy our privacy. Armstrong is incorrect to assume the elite don't like Trump. They love Trump for he will start WW3 and fuck us all with NSA totalitarianism. Either that, or he will alienate so many voters so Sanders or Clinton wins. The USA is fucked in any case.

they are all very bad.

I think the plan of the powers that be is to start a civil war in USA

The people are so divided right now, politically and ethnically, they just need the right false flag and it's done
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