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  Considering that in the last nine years there has been a continuous decrease in the population of Russia, and also that the war with Ukraine continues to take the lives of the most active Russians, they are being replaced on Russian territory by the Chinese. Russian women give preference to hardworking Chinese men instead of lazy and always drunk Russian men.

No you are wrong here, my dear friend. Not in the first part but in the second. Russian women are not happy about mating with Chinese men. Please take note that those Chienese that come to live in Russia are not the Chinese that live in Southern China. These are totally different people. Those Chinese who come to Russia are extremely poor and dirty. Their appearances are very unpleasant and they smell badly.

The real problem for Russia now is uncontrolled migration from the Middle Asia but not from China. However numerous activists in Russia are now publicly speaking out about this problem and it seems that the state policy toward migration is starting to change somewhat.

I have been practicing Shotokan karate for 30 years now and during the last few years I have been practicing more and more hard style karate stuff in order to better prepare myself for any kind of a conflict with such a migrant.    

Then we can also say that China is at war with the West at the hands of the Russians. It is now beneficial for China to weaken both the United States and Europe and Russia through war. China is now taking advantage of the situation and buying oil and gas from Russia at a third lower price than they were previously supplied by Russia to European countries. China is now using Russia as its raw materials appendage and Russia is forced to buy Chinese goods instead of European ones. In exchange for some help from Russia, Putin is now allowing China to regain control of previously lost territories in Siberia and the Far East without war. And not only these territories.

  Considering that in the last nine years there has been a continuous decrease in the population of Russia, and also that the war with Ukraine continues to take the lives of the most active Russians, they are being replaced on Russian territory by the Chinese. Russian women give preference to hardworking Chinese men instead of lazy and always drunk Russian men.

Therefore, I can disappoint you. If Russia has a problem with live meat on the Ukrainian front, you may also be forcibly mobilized into the massacre that Putin has organized.


But this hasn't happened yet and most likely it would not happen.
For this to happen the West must start conscripting male population in Western countries because Ukraine is already short of man power. The question is will the West start a war with Russia? I am afraid that it would be very difficult for the West to mobilize large quantities of man power. Nobody wants to die in the name of democracy in interpretation of Biden and company.

In Russia, as in Ukraine, there is universal conscription. This means that in the event of mobilization, every citizen of military age who does not have the right to deferment is obliged to serve in the army and fight for his country, regardless of his desire. In Russia, this is regulated by Article 17 of the Federal Law of February 26, 1997 N 31-FZ (as amended on March 23, 2024) “On mobilization preparation and mobilization in the Russian Federation.”

  On September 21, 2022, Putin issued a decree on partial mobilization in the Russian Federation and on the same day made an appeal to citizens in which he announced that he was announcing partial mobilization. It started on the same day. The document he signed did not say how many people were planned to be drafted - the number and timing were to be established by the Russian Ministry of Defense. On the same day, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that they intend to conscript 300 thousand people. On October 28, 2022, the head of the Ministry of Defense reported to the president that partial mobilization was completed.
Putin, summing up the results of 2023, said that after partial mobilization in the fall of 2022, a large campaign began to attract people on a voluntary basis. He said that 486 thousand people had been recruited in a year, so there was no need for further mobilization. But hidden mobilization in Russia has been and is being carried out throughout the entire period of military operations against Ukraine.

Therefore, I can disappoint you. If Russia has a problem with live meat on the Ukrainian front, you may also be forcibly mobilized into the massacre that Putin has organized.

Well, let's talk about the level of democracy and police states in Ukraine and Russia.
According to the democracy index, which can be found on Wikipedia, Ukraine ranks 87th in the overall table of countries in the world in terms of democracy and is classified as a hybrid regime of government. Russia ranks 146th in terms of democracy and is classified as an authoritarian government.


In reply to your statement and referring to Wikipedia I would say that Wikipedia is a voice of the globalist elite.
Therefore this source can't be trusted.
The globalists control all mass media of the west. Therefore one has to be very dumbed down to be seriously influenced by this piece of globalist propaganda.


Further. In terms of the level of the electoral process and pluralism of opinions, Ukraine has 6.5 points, and Russia only 0.92 points. Since Ukraine and Russia are actually at war, try going to the square with a “No to War” banner in Moscow and Kyiv. In Kyiv, they won’t be taken to the police station for this, but in Moscow, such a person will stand for a matter of seconds and most likely will be convicted of discrediting the army. In Russia you can’t even say the word “war”; people are put behind bars for this.

In terms of the political participation of the people in governing the country, Ukraine has 7.22 points, Russia - 2.22.
In terms of political culture, Ukraine has 6.25 points, Russia - 3.75. It is understandable what kind of political culture the orcs might have.
In terms of civil liberties, Ukraine has 4.41 points, Russia - 2.35 points.

Source:
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC %D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B8% D0%BD%D0%B3_2022_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0


This source is not trustworthy. Therefore I am not convinced.


Regarding the fact that in Ukraine, military registration and enlistment office workers grab people on the streets and send them to war, there are excesses in this matter, and in Ukraine they are fighting against these phenomena. For each fact of violation of the rights of citizens, inspections are carried out and the guilty employees of the military registration and enlistment offices are then sent to the front themselves.
Source:
https://war.gordonua.com/amp/ochen-mnohie-rabotniki-ttsk-prosto-otpravljajutsja-v-boevye-podrazdelenija-venislavskij-rasskazal-o-reahirovanii-na-narushenie-prav-cheloveka-voenkomami-1706388. html
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Again this is a piece of Ukraininan propaganda. As always you twisted the facts.
According to the laws of Ukraine everyone of male sex aged 18 to 60 must fight the Russians and it does not matter whether he wants or does not want to be enlisted.
People do not want to be sent to the meat grinder and that's the end of it. So this is not democracy.
Any inspection would come to a conclusion that no law has been violated when anyone is sent to the meat grinder against his will.
 

Coming back to this topic after a couple of months I see a couple of you quoted this last line of my posts out of context and responded to it thinking you are debunking something. One of you even called it "Russian propaganda"!
First of all my friends, read the whole discussion, not just one line in a series of comments.

In this context, my response was to someone who claimed Ukraine has no way of winning just because Russia is stronger. I disagreed and brought up two actual examples and said the reason is Ukraine isn't attacking Russian infrastructure. Read the whole comment and the bold parts below:

Secondly, lets review what happened over the past couple of months ever since I wrote this and you guys responded this way.
1. Ukraine performs a handful of attacks on Russian energy infrastructure.
2. The order comes down from the boss in Washington to stop because it affects energy price and it would destroy United States economically https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57-cbdde122ac0c
3. The attacks stop

Now go back to my post once again:
The answer is No, US regime will not allow Ukraine to win this war or attack Russian infrastructure.

However, now that a weakness is found in US regime, each time Zelensky want something from Biden they'll pull off a small attack on Russian oil facilities to put pressure on Biden administration to get it!
That's pretty much it.
The effects of these attacks weren't even big enough to even slow down the Russian advances!

Well, let's talk about the level of democracy and police states in Ukraine and Russia.
According to the democracy index, which can be found on Wikipedia, Ukraine ranks 87th in the overall table of countries in the world in terms of democracy and is classified as a hybrid regime of government. Russia ranks 146th in terms of democracy and is classified as an authoritarian government.

Further. In terms of the level of the electoral process and pluralism of opinions, Ukraine has 6.5 points, and Russia only 0.92 points. Since Ukraine and Russia are actually at war, try going to the square with a “No to War” banner in Moscow and Kyiv. In Kyiv, they won’t be taken to the police station for this, but in Moscow, such a person will stand for a matter of seconds and most likely will be convicted of discrediting the army. In Russia you can’t even say the word “war”; people are put behind bars for this.

In terms of the political participation of the people in governing the country, Ukraine has 7.22 points, Russia - 2.22.
In terms of political culture, Ukraine has 6.25 points, Russia - 3.75. It is understandable what kind of political culture the orcs might have.
In terms of civil liberties, Ukraine has 4.41 points, Russia - 2.35 points.

Source:
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC %D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B8% D0%BD%D0%B3_2022_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0

Ukraine still has its own problems in almost all spheres of public life, but it cannot even be compared with the completely authoritarian regime in Russia, where Putin will rule with the rights of a tsar for 30 years, that is, until 2030.

Regarding the fact that in Ukraine, military registration and enlistment office workers grab people on the streets and send them to war, there are excesses in this matter, and in Ukraine they are fighting against these phenomena. For each fact of violation of the rights of citizens, inspections are carried out and the guilty employees of the military registration and enlistment offices are then sent to the front themselves.
Source:
https://war.gordonua.com/amp/ochen-mnohie-rabotniki-ttsk-prosto-otpravljajutsja-v-boevye-podrazdelenija-venislavskij-rasskazal-o-reahirovanii-na-narushenie-prav-cheloveka-voenkomami-1706388. html

I can approximately guess what he meant: CIA funded and masterminded student riots in Russia (like the ones started by CIA in Georgia now), possible coup' d'état by the same high-standing military officers who sold Russia's attack plan to CIA back in 2022, Putin's assassination attempt, fuelling and promoting national movements among the nationalities of Russia etc etc... so a pretty much standard set of CIA tricks.       

It was not NATO countries that attacked Ukraine. Ukraine was attacked by orcs who call themselves Russians.


Time and again you are wrong but you are staying the right course according to the CIA propaganda and misinformation.
Ukraine ad Russia are populated by the same people but unfortunately the elite in Russia was too lazy and got carried away when they have been slealing funds from the ordinary Russians. And so Putin overlooked what was going on in Ukraine during the last 20 years.
In the end CIA was succesfull in duping and dumbing down ordinary Ukrainians and now masses of Ukrainians think that Russia is the axis of evil and you yourself call us "orcs" in your post.
Dehumanization is a typical method employed by the CIA.
      
At the same time everybody can see that Ukraine has been turned into a police state which has nothing to do with democracy whereas Russia can still be called some kind of democracy.
Of course I understand that generally speaking Russia is not an example of democracy but at least Russia is not a police state like Ukraine because here in Russia police are not kidnapping ordinary people out in the streets in order to use them as cannon fodder.


It is from them that Ukrainians are now defending themselves with the weapons that NATO countries provide to Ukraine. Now in Ukraine there are over 500 thousand Russian soldiers and officers who, with weapons in their hands, came to the territory of Ukraine to kill Ukrainians, but several hundred thousand of them have already found their death in Ukraine.


It is not ordinary Ukrainians who are killed by the Russian forces. It is nazies who must be disarmed and brought to justice because they have killed lots of russians in Ukraine.
When Ukrainians are captured by the Russian forces they are treated very gently and with friendliness because we are the same people.
At the same time the Ukrainian nazies are torturing, raping and killing any Ukrainians who have been discovered to be sympathetic to the policy of Russia of denazification and demilitarization.

 
Already this year, events will occur in Russia itself that will significantly change the course of Russian aggression in Ukraine, and even the clouded consciousness of the orcs will begin to realize what they have done in Ukraine.


And what events will occur in Russia? Please share your information. I am intrigued.

It was not NATO countries that attacked Ukraine. Ukraine was attacked by orcs who call themselves Russians. It is from them that Ukrainians are now defending themselves with the weapons that NATO countries provide to Ukraine. Now in Ukraine there are over 500 thousand Russian soldiers and officers who, with weapons in their hands, came to the territory of Ukraine to kill Ukrainians, but several hundred thousand of them have already found their death in Ukraine.

Already this year, events will occur in Russia itself that will significantly change the course of Russian aggression in Ukraine, and even the clouded consciousness of the orcs will begin to realize what they have done in Ukraine.

Mosly I agree with your post but there's one thing that does not look right to me:

Russia's aggression will end soon. Only after this will it be possible to objectively judge how people lived and are living in different regions of the once united Ukraine.


I would rephrase it as follows:

The NATOs aggression will end soon. Only after this will it be possible to objectively judge how people lived and are living in different regions of the once united Ukraine.

I googled it and I stand by my opinion. I don’t want to give any quotes and facts from what I read and saw, since the reaction to them is known in advance, that this is Ukrainian propaganda. It is worth saying, of course, that the information on this topic on the Internet is quite old and reflects different propaganda opinions. This is understandable: there is a large-scale war going on, including in the information space. But even if we think logically, the economic situation and standard of living of people in the so-called DPR and LPR cannot be better, since military actions leave a direct negative imprint on them. If most of the mines and other enterprises in the region are closed, and there are almost no public utilities in the cities, then life there is definitely no better compared to how people lived in “Bandera’s” Ukraine.

Russia's aggression will end soon. Only after this will it be possible to objectively judge how people lived and are living in different regions of the once united Ukraine.

Just google Donbass in 2014 vs now or Crimea 2014 vs now or Mariupol 2014 vs now. You will be shocked. All these locations looked like a shithole back in 2014. Even most Ukrainians and ex-Ukrainian locals admit it. Most of the towns across Ukraine, perhaps only with the exception of Kyiv haven't been renovated since Soviet times.

I see from you recent post that you are already out of arguments. Your arguments have come to an end and you are starting to collect any info despite it’s utter irrelevance.

People in those regions who were sent to the front mostly did that of their own free will. They were not kidnapped  like Ukrainian males are being searched and kidnapped by the Ukainian police all over Ukraine.

The US involvement into the conflict brought decline and destruction to the Donbass, destroying a significant part of the civilian population. But the US and Ukraine blames Russia for this. It’s so convenient to justify your atrocities.

Until 2014, the Donetsk and Lugansk regions within Ukraine prospered. The main economic sectors of these regions were coal mining and metallurgy. At the time of separation from Ukraine, the separatists stated that the Donbass region supposedly fed the whole of Ukraine and without it Ukraine would not survive.

But in September last year, Russian Energy Minister N. Shulginov announced that the number of coal mines in the “DPR” - “LPR” had been decided to be reduced from 114 to 15.
Already in 2020, there were only six operating mines left in the LPR. As a result of this “restructuring,” according to local media, over 32 thousand miners lost their jobs. In the “DPR” at the end of 2022, only the Komsomolets Donbassa mine was more or less operating, producing over 1 million tons of coal. But even in mines that are still operating, equipment wear has reached 85%. The indicator "85%" means a pre-emergency condition.
Metallurgical enterprises in the region are already completely closed. Thus, the economy of Donbass and Lugansk as part of the “separate republics” was almost completely destroyed. They admit that these regions are now almost entirely subsidized by the Russian Federation.

What really happened to the people of these regions? From them the so-called first and second army corps were formed as part of the armed forces of the Russian Federation and they were sent to the front to fight against Ukraine. They were usually used in the front row to detect the firing points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so now there is almost no male population in the DPR and LPR. For this reason, public utilities do not work, the collapse is almost complete.

The Russian world brought decline and destruction to the Donbass, destroying a significant part of the civilian population. But Russia blames Ukraine for this. It’s so convenient to justify your atrocities.

• At the very start of the war if you can do it and you've got the money, do your best to seek asylum as quickly as possible but this will only be a thing that you should do when you're directly affected by the war erupting, if you're not affected at all or the proximity is too far, probably stay calm and watch the news update to the developments of the conflict, maybe stock up on non-perishable foods to make sure that your family won't be starving or something like that.
• The best business that you can do is transportation or logistic services but that comes with the risk that you'll get caught in the cross fire because the higher the pay, the higher the risk that you'll have your services requested on the frontlines.
• Normal movement of the market is going to be affected the most, once your in that state, there's little thing that you can do, if you've prepared for it before the war started near you or in your country then you wouldn't worry too much about this and you'd probably need to learn how to manage what's given to you when the rationing starts.

The real madness would have begun if Putin had not been stopped in Ukraine. Putin only understands power and will go as far as he is allowed. Therefore, the Baltic countries would definitely be next in his aggression. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia understand this very clearly and help Ukraine in any way they can so as not to see destroyed houses and killed people on their territory. In fact, now Ukraine is fighting not only for its independence, but also the independence of all of Europe. Putin's Russia was not punished for the 2008 attack on Georgia, the 2014 attack on Ukraine and the seizure of the Crimean peninsula and parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine. That’s why he decided to take over all of Ukraine.

And this is total BS again, my friend.
One has to be crazy to think that Russia wants to occupy Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. This is Western propaganda. There is not a word of truth in this. The West wants to destroy Russia and they invent a lot of stories in order to justify the destruction of Russia that neocons in the US so much desire.

Have you seen what happened in just a month of occupation of the Kiev region by Russians? Dead civilians were lying right on the street: an elderly man on a cyclist, a woman with scattered groceries from her bag. They were killed simply for fun, because they felt permissiveness. And how many corpses were then removed from mass graves hastily dug in forest plantations and from basements with their hands tied behind their backs and bullets in the back of their heads. Would you like to see this in your country?


Have you seen what happened to people living in 2 breakaway provinces of Ukraine, namely Donetsk and Luganks after their territories were regularly and systematically fired upon by Kiev nazi? This bombshelling started in 2014 and MSM of the West have been ignoring these massive killings that took place on a regular scale.
Putin was forced to invade Ukraine partially because of these killings that Kiev regime was deliberately executing starting from 2014. 

Well, let's figure out when the Ukrainians and the state of Ukraine appeared, and when Russia appeared. The name "Ukraine" first appeared in the Kyiv Chronicle in 1187. Then it either disappears or is used again, but it has been in constant use since Cossack times, that is, since the 16th-17th centuries.
“Ukraine” is one of the official names of the Cossack state, which arose after the uprising of Bohdan Khmelnitsky against Polish power in the middle of the 17th century (along with other names - Zaporozhye Army, Hetmanate, Little Russia). It is very important that in the Cossack chronicles of that time the word “Ukraine” means not just territory, but the fatherland, which requires the highest loyalty and which is a sacred duty to defend.
In the 18th century, as the Cossack state dissolved into the Russian Empire, the word “Ukraine” again disappeared from active political use. However, this name is preserved in folk culture (there are approximately 1,200 folk songs sung about Ukraine). It returns to politics and high culture in the 19th century, during the period of national revival. And in the 20th century it became generally accepted - the name of almost not a single state and even occupation entity on the territory of Ukraine in 1917–1991 could be done without it: Ukrainian People's Republic, Western Ukrainian People's Republic, Ukrainian State and even the Nazi Reichskommissariat “Ukraine”.

I do not agree with you completely here.

The meaning of the word Ukraine means okraina in Russian which can be translated as "at the border" that is at the border of Russia.
Ukraine has bever been a separate country. From times immemorial Kiev Rus and Moscovia has been one and the same country. It is all inhabited by one people.
These are not different peoples because they have been using the Russian language as their main mother tongue.
I have been living in USSR and then in Russia, I know lots of Ukrainian people and my father was a Ukrainian.
What you are trying to do is prove that Ukraine is a separate country and a separate people.
This is total BS. How can it be a separate people when they are using Russian as their mother tongue?
Ukrainian language was invented by communists in the times of USSR.
Ukrainians should be thankful to Lenin for this.

The real madness would have begun if Putin had not been stopped in Ukraine. Putin only understands power and will go as far as he is allowed. Therefore, the Baltic countries would definitely be next in his aggression. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia understand this very clearly and help Ukraine in any way they can so as not to see destroyed houses and killed people on their territory. In fact, now Ukraine is fighting not only for its independence, but also the independence of all of Europe. Putin's Russia was not punished for the 2008 attack on Georgia, the 2014 attack on Ukraine and the seizure of the Crimean peninsula and parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine. That’s why he decided to take over all of Ukraine.

Have you seen what happened in just a month of occupation of the Kiev region by Russians? Dead civilians were lying right on the street: an elderly man on a cyclist, a woman with scattered groceries from her bag. They were killed simply for fun, because they felt permissiveness. And how many corpses were then removed from mass graves hastily dug in forest plantations and from basements with their hands tied behind their backs and bullets in the back of their heads. Would you like to see this in your country?

Of course, even Poland is afraid of such a repetition at home and therefore wants to place nuclear weapons on its territory to deter the horde of Russians. Escalation of hostilities and a reason for Putin to invade? The best reason for him to invade is weak neighbors. On the other hand, is Putin’s deployment of his nuclear weapons on the territory of Belarus not an escalation of the war with NATO?

Have you ever wondered why Finland and Sweden asked to join NATO after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? Because the Finns have not yet forgotten how these neighbors attacked them in 1939-1940 and also do not want such a repetition. Russia's neighbors know what this horde is like. Your country is probably located far from Russia, so you feel relatively safe. To prevent this from happening again, Putin and his army of orcs must now be kicked in the teeth, so that many generations of these orcs will pay reparations to the Ukrainians for the evil they have done and remember the fatal mistake of their older generations.