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Until 2014, almost all residents of Odessa spoke Russian. More precisely, it was a mixture of Russian, Ukrainian, Jewish and other languages of the nationalities that inhabited this city. But at the same time, the overwhelming majority felt and still feel like Ukrainians. Therefore, in this regard, those who died in the House of Trade Unions on May 2, 2014 can be considered Russian speakers. And now the situation there with the language, I think, has not changed much. But regular missile attacks from Russia on the Russian-speaking population of Odessa and the slow destruction of this city, as you yourself should understand, are a good argument to switch to the Ukrainian language and consider yourself a patriot of Ukraine.

On May 2, 2014, an attempt to impose the “Russian world” on Odessa residents and proclaim the “Odessa People’s Republic” failed. Putin’s Russia interprets these events in Odessa not as a confrontation between Euromaidan supporters and anti-Maidan supporters, in which the Euromaidan supporters turned out to be the overwhelming majority, but as Russian-speaking and Ukrainian-speaking. Please note that in Odessa even now many people still speak Russian and there have never been any problems with this. All waves of confrontations and conflicts come from Russia.

The thing is that the people that were murdered by the nazi football fans in the trade union house in Odessa were the people who demonstrated against Maidan and against what was going on in Ukraine as a result of Maidan. The nazi football fans murdered these people in cold blood. These people would be forever remembered as the victims of nazi murderers.
These people were the Russian speaking population of Odessa that I mentioned before. Sorry for not making it clear enough for you.  

You have already mentioned several times the murder of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Odessa in 2014. I don’t know what kind of information you have on this matter (I hope you will provide it later), but in this regard I will dwell on these events in more detail. In short, then in Odessa there was an attempt by pro-Russian forces, not without the participation of the Kremlin, to prepare the ground for the creation of the Odessa People's Republic following the example of the DPR and LPR that were then created by Russia. But in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, as well as in Crimea, it was easier for the Russian occupiers. In Crimea, having a naval base near Sevastopol under a lease agreement with Ukraine, they simply went beyond the boundaries of this base and occupied Crimea. The Donetsk and Lugansk regions are directly adjacent territorially to Russia, and from there a detachment of former Russian FSB employee Girkin entered Ukraine and provoked unrest, after which Russia sent in regular troops. Such scenarios could not happen in Odessa. But there was something else. Mass riots were provoked there, which pro-Russian forces wanted to use to separate from Ukraine and create the OPR. They started in the city center, on Deribasovskaya and continued in the House of Trade Unions and on Kulikovoe Pole Square.

Since the end of April, pro-Russian anti-Maidan activists have set up tents on Kulikovo Pole Square in Odessa where they held rallies calling for federalization. The authorities of that time understood that this threatened the safety of the city, but no one raised their hand to simply demolish it. After all, this is not Russia. And then they decided to do it purely in Odessa - with the help of an “agreement”. The liquidation of the tent city on the Kulikovo Field was planned in advance by representatives of government agencies and agreed upon with individual leaders of the opposing forces - Anti-Maidan and Euromaidan. According to the initial unspoken plan, the demolition of the tents was to be carried out by the hands of football fans, ultras, after the end of the football match Chernomorets - Metalist late in the evening of May 2, 2014. Police officers were supposed to detain and isolate Anti-Maidan activists, preventing excessive use of force. But due to the disagreement of some of the leaders of one of the Kulikovo Field groups, this plan was thwarted. An hour and a half before the match, mass riots were provoked in the central part of the city. The first victim on May 2 was a Euromaidan member, foreman of the Odessa Right Sector Igor Ivanov. He was mortally wounded at 16:10 and died an hour and a half to two hours later in the hospital on the operating table. Ivanov was killed by a bullet from the weapon of Vitaly Budko, nicknamed Bosun, the head of the so-called combat wing of the Kulikov Field. He is still wanted. It was after these deaths on Deribasovskaya and Grecheskaya Square that the factor of spontaneous anger turned on, when people, no longer understanding who killed whom, went to destroy the tent city of the anti-Maidanovites. In this chaos, some people took refuge in the House of Trade Unions, where a fire later broke out due to the use of Molotov cocktails.

  According to official data, 48 people died, six of them were killed with firearms in the city center - on Deribasovskaya and adjacent streets. At least a hundred people were injured there - gunshot wounds, bruises, fractures. 42 people died in the House of Trade Unions, eight of them fell out of the windows and crashed to the ground, the rest died in the building itself from fire, exposure to carbon dioxide and gases released during combustion. There were also many wounded - burned, beaten.

There are a lot of questions about the inaction of the police, who did not take proper response measures to prevent unrest. The deputy head of the Odessa regional police, Fuchedzhi, was sentenced in absentia to 15 years in prison; back in 2014, he fled from Ukraine, first to Transnistria, then to Russia.

But what does this story have to do with the murder of the Russian-speaking population of Odessa?

You know in this case I would rather agree with you. I believe that bombing more of the territory of Russia would be a good thing. And I am saying this despite that I am living in Russia.
In fact I reside in Siberia. So hardly any missles would reach Siberia since we are talking about a distance of about 3,000 km from the Ukrainian front.
But I believe that this would be a good thing. Why?
Because since the time that the USSR disintegrated in 1991 the quality of people in Russia has deteriorated a lot. They have become selfish and thinking only about themselves but not caring about other people. A lot of people have been spoilt to such a degree that they can become traitors if they are given money.
This is a human disease that can be treated only by bombs and artillery fire, I guess.
I very well remember the spirit of a life in the USSR when all of us were equal. There were no rich or poor at that time. All of us were more or less equal. But now we have oligarchs in Russia who became filthy rich only because of corruption in Russia.
They became rich not by working hard but through stealing and appropriating for themselves the state assets which previously belonged to the Russian people in general.

And one more idea just occured to me. If bombing of Russia intensifies then more Russian volunteers would show up  who would be willing to go to the front and fight in Ukraine on the side of the Russan forces.
    
As regards Ukraine this war I believe would be a good lesson that must be taught to all those Ukrainians who ignored all the things that have been going on in Ukraine and most importantly the events of Maidan, then killings of Russian speaking Ukrainians in Odessa in 2014 and then regular killings of Russian Ukrainians living in the 2 break away provinces of Ukraine.
The overwhelming majority of Ukrainians living in the Western regions of Ukraine did not object to the killings of people in the east of Ukraine by the nationalist army of Ukraine, they despised the people in the east of Ukraine considering them to be somewhat inferior to them since they called them Colorado bugs amongst themselves.
So in this way this war is a good thing, a good lesson that must cleanse this rotten society.

 

I think that even if we are not directly affected by a war, we still should remain alert and aware.

Anything can happen and everything can escalate really fast. Your country might get involved at some point so you need to know if there are any possibilities of that happening in the future. Many products from the country at war will most likely stop so check whether your country benefits from them or not? Because it would most likely affect the prices of goods in your country if you get products from them.

These are just a few reasons why you should still be aware of news whether you’re in the country or not directly involved in a war. Not to even mention just having basic empathy to people suffering.

Ukraine does not simply shoot at Russian populated areas, as Russia itself does every day. I gave the example of the Epicenter hypermarket, when two high-precision aerial bombs hit this hypermarket one after another precisely to show that Russia deliberately hits civilian targets, and where the greatest number of them can be harmed. This is state terrorism.

Now try to bring something similar with Belgorod, since you write that Ukraine is attacking Belgorod. In Belgorod, fragments of missiles or drones usually fall, which do not cause such significant damage. And the debris is falling mainly due to the work of Russian air defense over Belgorod. Behind Belgorod there is a military airfield and other military facilities, which are a legal place for Ukraine. To get there, missiles and drones need to fly over Belgorod and some of them are shot down by Russian air defense over the city, causing debris to fall.
On the other hand, the Kremlin may deliberately order the shelling of Belgorod so that the Russians will be motivated to go fight in Ukraine. It was thanks to such incidents, for example, in Volgodonsk, that Putin was able to come to power.
But in my personal opinion, Ukraine should strike at Russian territory, at least so that those 70 percent of the Russian population, who have been supporting military operations in Ukraine for three years, understand that this is a war that can affect them too, and come to their territory .

If you look at this problem on a global scale, then yes, the current wars have not yet had a significant impact on the cryptocurrency market. Your opinion as a person living in a country that is not affected by war is understandable. But imagine that your country is attacked by the army of a neighboring country. The front is approaching, and the enemy’s artillery is gradually destroying, almost to the ground, populated areas located on the path of the invaders. If you decide to flee so as not to come under fire, maybe you have time to take the most valuable things with you, but sometimes you don’t have time. In this turmoil, you can forget about taking with you the secret keys to your cryptocurrency wallets on any media or losing them later during evacuation. And without them, all your years of work to accumulate cryptocurrency mean absolutely nothing. After some time, you return to your previous place of residence, and instead of your home there are a bunch of ruins and construction debris. This suggests that wars greatly affect cryptocurrency from an individual's perspective. Yes, during this time the cryptocurrency market has remained virtually unchanged. But at the same time, you lost your cryptocurrency.

Muahaha, had a good laugh! Captured Russians? Must be hard to capture anyone, while you're running away in fear. 

And these imaginary PoWs, they were aware of all Putin's plans, there all were probably high-standing army generals, right? 

Since I'm on neither side of this armed conflict, the analysis I'm providing is from a pure military perspective. But since you seem to be on one side your responds are from a pure emotional perspective.

Put your emotions aside and read again.
That front didn't need to be opened at all by launching an assault on Belgorod. Instead the limited resources Ukraine has could have been used to hit Russia where it mattered like the airbases such as the recent Krasnodar base that would also help everywhere since it pushes Russian Airforce way back making future airstrikes that much more complicated due to increased distance fighter jets have to fly.

But now instead of that, the Ukrainian forces are overstretched even more... thinning the numbers and resources in other fronts.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here by posting this.
Are you suggesting that because Russia killed civilians it is OK for Ukraine to do it as well?!!

Read your words, Russia is simply a model of peacefulness. It attacks to protect the defenseless citizens of the Belgorod region from attacks by evil Ukrainians, from where shelling of the entire territory of Ukraine has been ongoing for the third year.
If Putin’s troops managed to break through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, they would immediately approach Kharkov and try to capture this city. But they hit  in the teeth, it didn’t work out, which means they didn’t want to.

Another intermediate plan of the Kremlin was to push the Ukrainian Armed Forces back at least ten kilometers so that Kharkov could be bombarded with cannon artillery. This was a very peaceful task - to speed up the destruction of the multimillion-dollar city of Kharkov and its inhabitants, because with the current daily shelling from other types of weapons this is happening too slowly for Russia. After all, Kharkov is a very large city.

Yesterday, May 25, at 16:02, the Russian occupiers hit the Epicenter construction hypermarket in Kharkov with two high-precision bombs, where over 200 civilians were located at that time. The timing of the strikes was deliberately chosen on a weekend during the daytime, where Kharkov residents go to buy construction materials to try to rebuild their homes after daily shelling. Many were killed, wounded and missing.
https://24tv.ua/ru/ataka-na-harkov-25-maja-moment-popadanija-v-jepicentr-video-24-kanal_n2562822

in a war situation what you need to do is look for a place to hide and where is the safest place to survive even though it is difficult that is the main thing on my mind, food is the most important thing but in the context of life I think war is pointless because it will be a big disaster that it will cause from the many difficult times for stability and damage to a country's economy due to war, it is difficult to recover even though it has ended,
With several countries at war right now, hopefully that will end quickly, that's his hope.

Was that really the goal? I don't think so. As I speculated when this new front was opened:
The goal was to create a safe zone or a buffer zone. After all the attacks into Russian territory (Belgorod) came from the regions they took.

Your narrative about those captured troops saying the plan was to approach Kharkov has a flaw. From what I've seen from the moment Russia started this new assault was that they intentionally destroyed a lot of bridges leading deeper into Ukraine towards Kharkov (that is bridges in front of them).
So why would they destroy bridges in the path of their approach if they actually wanted to continue approaching and go deeper? It is like shooting yourself in the foot from a logistical perspective.

The only way to explain it is exactly my speculation/quote above. The plan was never to go deeper toward Kharkov. It was only to create a small safe zone and as a secondary objective to stretch Ukraine's strength in all battlefields.

Now the offensive of Putin’s army in the Kharkov region, which they began on May 10, has practically stopped. The captured Russians say that in two days they were supposed to capture Volchansk, and within five days they had to approach Kharkov. Putin’s next blitzkrieg failed miserably. If the Ukrainian army is defeated, who then stopped the Russians? Moreover, this offensive has not only been stopped, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are preparing for large-scale counterattacks. Of course, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not have shells, Russian planes with impunity dropped corrective aerial bombs with 200 kilograms of explosives on the Ukrainian positions, the Russians boasted that they knew how to attack. And when the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to have shells, this skill also disappeared. Moreover, in May alone, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already shot down seven SU-25 aircraft that were dropping aerial bombs. Let's see how events will unfold further.

- do you have any survival tips during war period?
if you are not in the country involved in the war, then you just go with your daily lives.  If you live in that country, then you need to be aware of the daily news and act accordingly.

- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?
Learn the major product of the countries involved in the war and avoid that like a plague.

- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.
Prices of goods from the war inflicted countries will rise up because the supply will go down.  Hence, better make preparations of seeking cheaper alternatives of that goods.

Putin's Russia continues to become impudent where it feels the uncertainty and fear   potential enemy. This is proven by the current case of an attempt to revise borders in the Baltic Sea region. It was also an attempt to test whether the NATO alliance is ready for an open military confrontation with Russia. But due to the fact that the USA, Finland and the Baltic countries reacted sharply negatively to these attacks by Russia, Moscow urgently abandoned its publicly announced plans to revise the border in the Baltic Sea. The proposal of the Russian Ministry of Defense to change the border and territorial waters of the country in the Baltic Sea, which caused a sharp reaction from Lithuania and Finland, was removed from the government website without explanation.
Before its removal, three major Russian news channels published a statement from an unnamed "military-diplomatic source" denying that Moscow had any plans to redraw the state border in the Baltic or review its territorial waters. They did not explain why the document was published.
It seems that the Kremlin is simply scared and is not ready to open a second front.

https://www.dialog.ua/russia/295386_1716377016

Indeed we live in interesting times. Don't you think so, Argoo?

Putin begins hybrid aggression against NATO. A document prepared by the Ministry of Defense appeared on the website of the Russian government, according to which Russia intends to declare part of the water area in the east of the Gulf of Finland, as well as near the cities of Baltiysk and Zelenogradsk in the Kaliningrad region, as its internal sea waters. The 40-year-old resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers regulating the borders in the Baltic Sea is proposed by the Ministry of Defense to be partially “recognized as invalid.”

To do this, it is planned to change the geographic coordinates of the points that determine the position of the baselines from which the width of the territorial sea of the Russian Federation, as well as the adjacent zone off the coast and islands, is measured.   Thus, Putin is again beginning to raise the stakes in the confrontation with the West. Previously, this position of intimidation was successful, but now the situation has changed due to the protracted war with Ukraine and, in fact, defeat on the Ukrainian front. Russia has always acted with impudence and intimidation, but now this could well lead to a full-scale war with NATO, for which Russia is clearly not ready.
https://abn.org.ua/ru/novosti/putin-nachinaet-gibridnuyu-agressiyu-protiv-nato-chto-na-eto-otvetit-severoatlanticheskij-soyuz/

we know that war can not be avoided, and the implication it comes with comes with a bigger price than anyone expects, During the war, putting a stop to it is always difficult, and it is not as if they don't know the dangers that it comes with but they will still insist on embarking on it. they do not even consider what their citizens will go through during the war the lives that will be lost, the properties that will be destroyed but they still do not care. and I think before the war, factors, and consequences should be looked into before embarking and then innocent people will be suffering for what they do not have a hand in but due to the government's selfishness, they don't care.

we might not really have control of these circumstances, but they can be avoided and if you should look at the money spent on wars, it is enough to make the country a better place but it looks like the government has its own agenda. and the way the government is running things, I am sure that the people are going to wage war against the government very soon, people are getting tired of them making very wrong decisions for the people and it is already happening to start with protests and people will continue to get tired because of there injustice and they will fight back, and that is the way countries can be fixed because people will eventually get tired.

Tell us more specifically how the United States wants to destroy Russia, as well as subjugate it economically? This is complete nonsense of the Kremlin propagandists, who constantly create the image of an external enemy in order to mobilize the population of their country to fight this external enemy and, thus, divert their attention from the ever-increasing internal problems.


The best example in reply to your question would be Russia in the 90-ies under alcoholic president Yeltsin.
At that time the US and European companies exploited Russia by buying there raw materials at very cheap prices and then selling consumer goods to Russia with high added value.
One does not have to be an economist to understand that a country that only sells raw materials is an economic colony exploited by Western countries.
 

But using this pretext, Russia attacked Georgia in 2008 and, as a result, now controls its region - South Ossetia, where it creates its military bases and builds seaports for military needs. Also, until now, after the collapse of the USSR, Russia refuses to withdraw its troops from Moldova and created the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic under its control, which also creates military tension in this region.


Moldova and Georgia as well as South Ossetia are all territories of the former USSR.
The US has no right to accuse Russia because NATO broke its promise that was given to former USSR president Michail Gorbachov that NATO would not move to the east any single inch.
As you know since that time NATO was joined by almost all East European countries.
Therefore the NATO broke its promise. Why should Russia withdraw military bases from South Ossetia when the NATO is rapidly expanding its worldwide network of military bases?
 
 
Well, the desire to seize Ukraine by military means for ten years now is generally the limit of arrogance and impunity of today’s Russia. And after this, is it any wonder why the United States and Europe have such a negative attitude towards Russia? Behave in a civilized manner, do not attack your neighbors, and not only your neighbors, and you will have a normal attitude towards Russia. However, it seems that Putin is leading Russia to an inevitable disaster, since he cannot stop in his aggression and there is no longer an acceptable way out of this situation created by Russia itself.


Well the desire of NATO to install military bases in Ukraine as well as in the East Asia is generally the limit of arrogance and impunity of today's NATO. And after the coup in Kiev orchestrated by CIA in 2014 is it any wonder why Russia has such a negative attitude towards NATO?

Behave in a civilized manner, do not move NATO military bases to the Eastern Europe according to the promise that was given to the USSR in 1990 by the Reagan administration and you will have a normal attitude towards Ukraine and the West. However, it seems that US neocons in the Biden administration are leading the US and NATO to an inevitable disaster, since NATO cannot stop in its aggression to the east and there is no longer an acceptable way out of this situation created by CIA and US neocons themselves.

Tell us more specifically how the United States wants to destroy Russia, as well as subjugate it economically? This is complete nonsense of the Kremlin propagandists, who constantly create the image of an external enemy in order to mobilize the population of their country to fight this external enemy and, thus, divert their attention from the ever-increasing internal problems. But using this pretext, Russia attacked Georgia in 2008 and, as a result, now controls its region - South Ossetia, where it creates its military bases and builds seaports for military needs. Also, until now, after the collapse of the USSR, Russia refuses to withdraw its troops from Moldova and created the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic under its control, which also creates military tension in this region.

Well, the desire to seize Ukraine by military means for ten years now is generally the limit of arrogance and impunity of today’s Russia. And after this, is it any wonder why the United States and Europe have such a negative attitude towards Russia? Behave in a civilized manner, do not attack your neighbors, and not only your neighbors, and you will have a normal attitude towards Russia. However, it seems that Putin is leading Russia to an inevitable disaster, since he cannot stop in his aggression and there is no longer an acceptable way out of this situation created by Russia itself.