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I have to constantly prove that what you write, to put it mildly, is not true.

The right of free secession of each republic from the USSR was enshrined in Article 72 of the 1977 USSR Constitution, which was in force during the period of Ukraine’s secession from the USSR in 1991. This article had only one sentence, namely: “Each union republic retains the right to freely secede from the USSR.”

The specific procedure for the republic’s secession from the USSR was regulated by a separate USSR law dated April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the secession of a union republic from the USSR.” Article 6 of this law states that “the decision to secede of a union republic from the USSR is considered adopted through a referendum if at least two-thirds of the citizens of the USSR who were permanently residing on the territory of the republic at the time the question of its secession from the USSR was raised…”
https://ru.m.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0_ %D0%BE%D1%82_04/03/1990_%E2%84%96_1409-I

You are also mistaken that I did not live under the USSR. I even served in military service on the territory of the current Russian Federation and was demobilized a little earlier than you were supposed to be drafted. Therefore, I lived in the USSR for about 30 years and know its “internal structure” well, because I am a lawyer by training and I received this education while still in the USSR.

In your detailed reply regarding the history of Russia you base your arguments on the work by someone called Oleg Panfilov who allegedly is telling the truth about the history of Russia and Ukraine.
That article that you refer to is a complete lie. It's disinformation war in action. The information in that article is untrue. The author of that article was bought off by CIA.

Here you can find truthful history of Russia and Ukraine in Russian: https://weekend.rambler.ru/read/48392235-kratkaya-istoriya-ukrainy-kak-obrazovalos-gosudarstvo/

Basically Putin made a decision to invade Ukraine because Ukraine was turned by CIA into a kind of a spoiled child who must be punished by his parents because Ukraine was on the brink of joinng NATO and installing military bases of NATO with missiles pointed in the direction of Russia.

Besides the US has already put a number of biological laboratories on the territory of Ukraine that were opened with a sole purpose of developing bilogical weapons that could quickly kill Russians.

What do you think would the US do if an atomic bomb were being developed in Mexico and biological laboratories were located there to destroy Americans with infectiou diseases, and Russia started pumping Mexico with missiles, guns and tanks?

And I would like to draw your attention to the fact that you completely misunderstand the internal structure of the USSR. How and on what basis can you state that Ukraine had a right to voluntarily seceed from the USSR? This is an erroneous opinion.You never lived in the USSR and you don't know what you are talking about.

it is me who was born in the USSR in 1964. I lived quite a large part of my life in the USSR and I know much better than you what the life was like there at that time.

So please don't tell me stories. Ukraine has been populated with very large quantities of Russian people. Ukrainians and Russian people are the same kind of people. My father was a Ukrainian. So I know what I am talking about and you have no right to lecture me on the history of the USSR and Ukraine..
 

Ukraine as a state existed much earlier than Russia? This is absurd. You are living in some kind of a dream land.
The territory of Ukraine has been the land of Russian people for at  least a few centuries and this has been basically one country populated by the same people during at least a few centuries and this has been going on for more time than the US existed for example.

On the other hand I wouldn't disagree with you on what happened some 10 centuries ago. Why not?

But if you are so willing to go back in time by so many centuries then you would agree with me that roughly 4 centuries ago there was no such country as USA. At that time the territory of the Northern America belonged to Indians and there were no such countries as Canada, USA, Mexico and this list could go on.

Then if we follow your logic then we can come to the conclusion that the US must cease to exist and hand over all power to the Indian population. That would be a fair solution.

So, OK. I agree with your opinon that Ukraine should be a separate country but only in exchange for such countries as Canada, US, Mexico ceasing to exist and handing their territories back to the Indians.

How about that? Why not put forward this kind of a resolution for a vote in the UN? The world needs justice and peace.

   

In fact, I already wrote earlier that Ukraine as a state existed much earlier than Russia. True, both Ukraine and Russia had different names at different times.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63899296

Here I would like to draw your attention to the fact that until 1991, when the Ukrainian Republic was proclaimed as an independent sovereign state, Ukraine was not part of Russia. Let me remind you that in December 1922 the USSR was created on the basis of the entry into it of a number of equal republics, including the Ukrainian SSR and the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR). This was a voluntary unification of equal republics with the right to voluntarily secede from the USSR. In 1991, Ukraine took advantage of this right. Therefore, it is incorrect to say that Ukraine during the USSR period was part of Russia.

Here is an interesting article:

The West Has Placed the Survival of the World in the Hands of Three Artificial States, by Paul Craig Roberts - The Unz Review
https://www.unz.com/proberts/the-west-has-placed-the-survival-of-the-world-in-the-hands-of-three-artificial-states/

An extract from the article:

Ukraine was part of Russia for longer than the United States has existed. It was first created as an independent country in the early 1990s by Washington following the Soviet government’s collapse and replacement of the Communist Party rule’s with Yeltsin’s, a puppet of Washington. Ukraine is thus an artificial country merely 30 years old, having never previously existed as an independent country.

Therefore following the meaning of this it does not matter who actually started shooting at whom in the 2 breakaway provinces of Ukraine or whether or not Russian speaking people in Ukraine are being oppressed by the Kiev regime or not. All these events pale in comparison to the fact that Ukraine has always been a Russian terrirory but when the USSR disintegrated the US took advantage of the situation and started moving NATO to the east and now Ukraine was on the brink of becoming a NATO country.

This can not be tolerated by Russia.

That's why Putin started the special mlitary operation.

In 1990 when Gorbachov was negotiating with US on the terms of disarmament the US politicians promised to the Soviet delegation that NATO would not move to the east any single inch. This promise, although it was not put on paper at that time, was broken and NATO moved to the east a lot despite the fact that Russia broke away with communism for good.

Now Putin is correcting those mistakes made by Gorbachov 34 years ago.
  
  

I hope you realize that you are talking about WW3 which is a nuclear war between NATO and Russia.

What you are saying here is actually NATO directly attacking Russian soil because for example these missiles you mentioned work 100% with Western guidance and with NATO troops. The satellite connection, the encryption and the guidance is highly classified and is not handed over to anybody, least of all Ukrainians. Which means it is an American, French, etc. military personnel attacking Russian soil and only a Ukrainian soldier presses the launch button at best.

In other words what you naively refer to as "lifting of the ban" is actually the war between NATO and Russia transitioning from a proxy war (Ukraine being the proxy) to a direct conflict without the proxy.

How much this is going to escalate is unpredictable right now...

A painful part about all of these war's going on is that dozens of lives are constantly lost for a war they know nothing about as to the actual reason for it or what their country could really be fighting for. Is it for individual (leader's) interest or the nation's.

For the tips on places to hide that seem safe during warring period is small towns or villages, those very far away from the war dominated zones. At least live there will be considered better and finding food in those areas wouldn't be that much difficult compared to the war close areas. 
Interests keeps piling up from different quarters with no sides willing to swallow their pride, I lack confidence in the hopefulness of these war's ending anytime soon. There are a class that does benefits from any period of war's and this set of class of men wouldn't want the war to end as they will in one way or another continue to fan embers of war instead of peace to reign.

Especially in countries where there is conflict, and those that are not directly affected, the effects are felt. Let's say if we invest, one of our sales targets is in that country, it might be a bit hampered because there will be a lot of processes that have to be gone through.

For crypto investment, I don't think it has a significant impact, it's just that large investors have high multiplication.

Here I concur with you. I think this is a good idea worth implementing. People need to understand the real meaning of a war. The war will bring the truth to the people and they will not be able to live in a fantasy land that has no war.

The Russians need to be shown that this is not a “special military operation” somewhere far from their home, in another country, as the government is trying to convince them. They need to show that this is a cruel and bloody war that they themselves imposed on Ukraine, and the war involves mutual losses and retaliatory actions of the country that was subjected to aggression.

Do you think that attacks on Russian territory will cause a wave of patriotism among the Russian population and they will rush to the military registration and enlistment offices to go to war in Ukraine as volunteers? We do not see such patriotism in Belgorod and other border regions of Russia, which have already experienced some of the inevitable consequences of this war. On the contrary, they actively began to curse Putin because peaceful life in this region had ended and many of them were forced to evacuate to safe places.

Now the Russian army has been trying to seize plaidarms in the area of Volchansk and Lipetsk in the border areas of the Kharkov region for almost a month. All that she has achieved so far is the lifting of the ban on the use of their weapons throughout Russia by 15 states that supply weapons to Ukraine. Therefore, Russia will soon go up in flames not only from Ukrainian drones, which, although they cause significant damage to military and logistics facilities, cannot carry as much explosives as high-precision missiles will do. The war is entering its next deadly stage, and the Russians clearly will not like it.

On the 25th minute of this video legendary speculator Doug Casey very candidly talks about the Ukrainian conflict
https://www.crisisinvesting.com/p/can-you-see-it-the-end-of-america?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=87095&post_id=145175537&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&r=12l1o8&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Russia is definitely NOT targeting civilian targets on purpose. You can just take a look at the stats to make sure. After just two weeks of the occupation of Gaza, Israeli war criminals have killed more civilians than Russia since 2022.

I'm reading reports from both Ukrainian and Russian sources and both sides are accusing each other of deliberate attacks on civilian infrastructure. It's not hard to figure out that both sides of this conflict are lying. In fact, both Russian and Ukrainian forces also occasionally hit civilian targets, that's not terrorism, that's war and understandable to an extent.

But for trolls like yourself, everything is either good or bad, black or white, so you're claiming that Russia is targeting almost solely and exclusively civilian targets and Ukraine is 100% of the time hitting only military targets. You should try using the remains of your propaganda-eaten brain to undertand this. 


Such a bright idea! And the people who had no anger and negative feelings towards Ukraine, will get mad, some of them will join the army, some will just start hating Ukrainian and vote for Putin. That's what I call short-sighted decisions, like sanctions against Russia, which cause more bad than good.

Meanwhile, AFU at Vovchansk and Chasiv Yar are almost completely encircled and these two towns will become a part of Russia with no chance for Ukraine to get back ever. It's a fact and it's a matter of days. Moreover, Russia has started another offensive West of Rabotyne in the South. The end is nigh. 

Even if I am not affected a lot by these wars physically but they're draining us through economic effects. It's a domino effect that everyone of us feels it.

Exactly, our thoughts and prayers to the badly affected by these wars. The economic impact is certainly there and we can't do anything with that because it is the world leaders decision to do it even if we're totally innocent with such.

War has the greatest impact on a country. This impact causes greater damage. Besides the economic collapse caused by this war, I would say future generations are the ones who suffer the most. As a result of the war, the normal life of society was greatly affected and its impact was especially visible in the field of education. The level of suffering that people in war-torn countries experience can never be understood without actually seeing it. Those who have lost their wealth, their own homes, personal institutions, etc. for war knows how great the suffering is. The greatest pain is seeing your family members die before your eyes. People who lost their wealth due to war casualties died because of food in the end. That is indeed a curse for the world.

What do you men by the facts? I was not there when this event took place but I read a lot of articles about that travesty. There are even a few documentaries about this murder.  
The building in Odessa was set on fire by nationalists, those people who jumped from the building were killed by the nationalists in cold blood.
The police were watching nearby but did not interfere and did not prevent the nationalists from killing those people because policemen feared for their lives 

In the House of Trade Unions in Odessa on May 2, 2014, people died solely as a result of a fire that broke out there due to riots. Several people jumped out of windows and died, the rest from carbon monoxide, which resulted from the burning of plastic and other flammable substances. If you have facts that they were killed, especially by Ukrainian nationalists, and even at the instigation of the CIA, you can present them here.

And the Russian army is now launching missile and drone attacks on Odessa, and on various residential areas, also because of some kind of revenge? After all, at the same time, the Russian-speaking civilian population, which you are trying to protect here, is dying. In addition, the Russian army is now intensively attacking all areas of Kharkov with missiles and gliding bombs weighing half a ton every day, trying to completely erase this city and its inhabitants. Also, after the Russian army launched an offensive in the east of the Kharkov region on May 10, the city of Volchansk and its residents, who did not have time to evacuate, were almost completely destroyed. Every day, Russia shells from 100 to 120 settlements in Ukraine with all types of weapons, killing civilians, who are predominantly Russian-speaking. How can this be assessed if this is not genocide of the Ukrainian people, regardless of the language they speak?

No. You are wrong here again.
All the waves of confrontations and conflicts come from CIA involvement in this conflict.
Were it not for CIA operatives there would have been no war in Ukraine now.
Biden and his company are killing the Ukrainian people.

The US has killed millions of people all over the world.

However these people in Odessa were killed in the House of Trade Union in 2014 and they were killed by the Ukrainian nationalists who were instigated by the CIA. So it was the CIA that in fact killed those people.

As regards regular missile attacks coming from Russia how else could Ukraine be got rid of the bloody Ukrainian nationalists  who have been terrorizing any of the Ukrainian people who disagreed with the Kiev regime? Only missles could neutralize these beasts.