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May 30, 2017, 10:46:58 PM
I ponder about the common sense of a meshnet when a legislature has an unequivocal restriction on them, I'm ignorant of anything like that in the EU. Be that as it may, regardless of the possibility that advancements here were not accessible to the general population you would in any case likely get arrange enclaves and at any rate high limit USB information stick swapping and maybe even dead-drops of information.
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May 30, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
"It's Over"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRRT2AcRUM

What's over? you may well ask. That would be just about everything.
legendary
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May 14, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
In trying to gather these threads together, there seems to be no centre, no guiding
principle, except an overwhelming desire for secrecy and to preserve the status quo.

The fundamental organizing principle for individuals and for society is almost never given the attention it deserves. Obviously the principle of "preserve the status quo at all costs" is grossly flawed and doomed to increasing inefficiency and eventual failure.

Ultimately the only way to truly avoid economic totalitarianism is to create a society incompatible with totalitarianism. This is a herculean task that can only be achieved incrementally and only if the correct organizing principle is chosen.


In my opinion, all these wars of religions and ideologies will never lead to peace and understanding of each other. This is a time bomb that can destroy the world.

Too much religion isn't the problem. There is no way to get away from religion. The closest we can come to getting away from religion (outside of death) is going to sleep. Otherwise we actively live our religion.
...
Religion is the thing that shows us how to live good lives with each other on earth, and, if one has the correct religion, the way to everlasting life.

Cool

For those that like science fiction I recently read the Doom Star Series by Vaughn Hepner. It is interesting social commentary underneath a good story.
https://www.amazon.com/Star-Soldier-Doom-Book-ebook/dp/B003SNJVH4

It envisions a dystopian future where humanity has terraformed and spread throughout the solar system and traditional religion appears to have has died out or been suppressed.

Humanity has splintered into various ideological factions. Earth is under the control of a stifling planet wide socialism. Mars and Venus are under the control of genetically engineered super humans who believe their superiority gives them the right to rule. Jupiter is controlled by philosopher kings who value only logic. Total laissez-faire capitalism dominates the outer planets and on the edges of the solar system a group seeks to create the ultimate controllable soldier by mixing man and machine.

As the story progress the various groups compete for dominance committing ever more horrific acts of evil that are completely justified by their various philosophies. It is quite clear that in this future humanity is in danger of extinction as the self-inflected horrors worsen and billions start to die.

The series is subtle social commentary the reader slowly realizes that while some ideological groups are better then others they are all pretty bad.

It is a vision of a future without God where religion in the form of various ideological and political constructs is very much alive and well.

Religious/ideological wars certainly have the potential to destroy the world. These conflicts are unavoidable. The question is what can save us? I do not pretend to know the answer with any certainty but here is an answer provided earlier by Miscreanity. I have yet to hear a better one.

What is actually the worst possible outcome is to have one strategy, religion, or culture adopted by everyone.

This is the point I disagree with. I think we both agree that the optimal way to increase degrees of freedom for individuals is to allow and enable instead of controlling. A universal strategy is an essential foundation that enables freedom. Without that, we have the situation that is developing now with varying viewpoints where some sets are progressing toward destruction and others are being dragged into declining entropy. Competition can take place when there is room for growth but on a globally saturated scale, nobody wins.

Reproductive strategy is likely to become essentially irrelevant for humanity, possibly within our lifetimes. It seems inevitable that our existing biological bodies will give way to different forms that will carry us off-planet. At that point, allowing and enabling all individuals to thrive in a constructive environment becomes paramount. What then is the protocol that keeps that freedom from becoming destructive? Of course, my thinking is that the protocol is outlined in the Christian bible.

The following two (relatively) short videos may be of interest regarding previous discussion:
The moral argument for God
Why Does God Allow Evil?
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May 14, 2017, 05:34:10 PM
Thanks for the flowers OROBTC.

You did ask "what we can do about "Economic Totalitarianism""

I'll try to write something shorter for your next query :-)
legendary
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May 13, 2017, 10:51:59 PM
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Excellent pair of thought provoking pieces, m-t, thanks for posting them.

I am less suspicious of an Elite Plan for world control.  I wrote a piece at my blog (now defunct) in which I proposed that The Elite is broken up into many factions, many/most at odds with at least one other faction.  Of course they do cooperate, my conjecture is that they do not have as much control as is widely feared.  Of course "control" needs to be defined...

There are spiritual reasons to give a lot (or all) to the poor.  But, most people are not spiritual.

Corruption of the state (present everywhere) and personal corruption (a complex topic) are destroying our world.  State control mechanisms are making the world worse, more corrupt (I am in Peru on a visit, and can toss up all kinds of local examples).

To protect oneself (and family), my suggestion has always been diversification, including Bitcoin holdings of some amount (1% of net wealth, say).  Maybe more giving to the poor and other charitable thinking would improve things.
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May 13, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
"... go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor ..."
Matthew 19:21

Throughout history, with perhaps the exception of the Byzantine Empire,
civilisations have drawn wealth and power to their centre. There is a
bargain between the centre and the citizens. Prestige and protection
in exchange for inequality, and community in exchange for freedom. 

The process of civilisation, unfortunately, tends to scale well. When
the structure becomes very large, there are more layers, more inequality,
and less freedom. Stability provides both corruption and instability.

Magna Carta may be cited as a treaty to curtail the power of a tyrannical king,
but it was more of an aftershock to relieve the tensions of a conquest 150
years earlier. History records a series of revolts against the centralisation
of power and wealth.

The economic systems extant today usurp power and corruption to an extent
greater than anything hitherto seen. It is a system that is unlikely to end
well. The historical precedents are for more oppression, more inflation,
more poverty, and collapse.

The Elite may already know this, but the question is whether the system is
past the point of collapse. Do they try to fix the system, or try to put
something in place to preserve some essentials and hope to recover later?

As I pointed out earlier, the greater the inequality, or concavity, the
easier it is to gain by raiding the system. Today's WannaCry attacks are
just another symptom. Just another leak in a badly designed dam, which,
if not rebuilt from the ground up, will fail.

I think that concludes my work on this thread. Just one final thought:
If you own everything, who will you sell to? :-)
 
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May 06, 2017, 04:00:47 PM
"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment or diversion, but the
conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."
Adam Smith - "The Wealth of Nations"

Please, direct your thoughts toward Complexity, and in particular to the role of the agent
in emergence. Agents are entities with a simple ruleset, eg "stay hidden"; or
"maximise profit", or "keep up with the Joneses". What matters in regard to the
possibility of Emergence is the number and distribution of Agents and in particular their
inter-connectivity. I'll move on to more vertical management structures later, but for now
forego any thoughts of any of the traditional management structures. Truly, all participants
within Emergence are created equal. They are born with or acquire the same drives, mores,
savoir-faire, skills and knowledge. They will respond in near-identical ways to threats
or opportunities. Their goals are set and their orders are received from their social
interaction with their equals. And their equals are their equal in every way. It's a big club.

How big? Who knows? As a starting point, choose the owners of 50% of the World's wealth, and
that's 70 million people. Social and related factors could reduce that number by two orders
of magnitude, to 700,000. Of that eligible number, the need for secrecy will impose a
reduction of another 1-2 orders of magnitude, giving 7,000 to 70,000, as the likely size of
the Club. If each agent is closely coupled with six others then every club member is separated
at a maximum of 5-6 removes. Thus a threat to one is quickly perceived as a threat to all,
and similarly for opportunities. The Creature cannot grow in numbers but it can seek more
control over its environment, at the expense of the remaining 99.99% of the rest of the World.

That's the theory. What does practice look like?
"We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large
portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions. This core
can be seen as an economic "super-entity" that raises new important issues for both
researchers and policy makers." [1] Structurally, the graph looks like a bow-tie.

The researchers comment 'We conjecture that it may be present in other types of networks where
"rich-get-richer" mechanisms are at work. So, ever more centralized control, the very antithesis
of the theory stated earlier.' [1]

I'd stated earlier that it's Bankers vs WarLords vs Mathematics. To understand the dynamics
of this system, look at the expected stimulus-response-reversion-to-the-mean when an outlier
is seen by the system. I suggest the 911 Event, as defined by various News and Senate reports,
and these references: [2][3][4]. Judgement, I leave to others.

Two things follow from this:

First, the core 911 Event itself cost less than $1 million, but the costs run into many $ billions.
"Catherine Austin Fitts: 9/11 was extraordinarily profitable for Wall Street, they of course
got a kind of "Get Out of Jail Free card" as I've just described. In addition, the largest
broker of government bonds, Cantor Fitzgerald, was destroyed, and there was a great deal of
money missing from the federal government in the prior four or five years."

Second, the reversion-to-the-mean has not yet happened. What seems to have happened is a movement
from one stable state to another, different, stable state. Just how stable the new state is,
for now, indeterminate.

The referenced video suggests that Systemically Important Banks, including their records, assets,
and employees are beyond the reach of national laws, including the US Justice System. [5]

Stable is not a word I would choose to describe this current state of affairs. Exactly how
all this plays out, and by the way, the size and opacity of the Creature is an order of magnitude
greater than the summary given above. All the incentives promote a massive and truly
catastrophic failure. It may not happen, but that's what I see.

I have, maybe, one more post for this thread, looking at what might be gleaned from history.     

[1] https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354-500-revealed-the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world/
[2] CIA agent 2013 -  Former CIA Asset Exposes 911 Cover Up
Book "Extreme Prejudice" by Susan Lindauer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAawF22QUMs
"We're going to keep them calm" -  Details of events prior to 911 and their aftermath.
[3] http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/Collateral-Damage-911-black_eagle_fund_trust.pdf
[4] http://www.larsschall.com/2013/09/11/911-insider-trading-revisited/
[5]All the plenary's men
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gK3s5j7PgA
"You see, prosecutors working on the HSBC case were actually going to indict the bank, but they got overruled,
and HSBC and its team of criminals skated. The story of how exactly that reversal came about reveals,
if not the King himself, then certainly many of the King's top men."

     
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April 29, 2017, 04:39:00 PM
"Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility.
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - Lord Acton.

Human thought follows particular paths, so when confronted by an unknown, people try
to visualise it via the familiar.  I have referred to my quarry as "The Creature".
There are other similar names, Danny Casolaro refers to "The Octopus" in his
investigation. Here, Joël van der Reijden prefers "La Nebuleuse".[1]

quote/
"Subject: Criminal organization (Russian mafia and related)"

"To comprehend this nebula, it is necessary to abandon traditional financial or political logic; this is not merely a question of nation, political party, or of ordinary economics... Our conclusion would be that at least over the last twenty years, the economic powers, some of which mafia types, have allied themselves with political forces and organized criminal structures, and reached the 4th stage of money laundering, namely, Absolute Power. It has been specified to us that at the present moment these characters control 50% of the world economy."
     
Introduction of a Belgian gendarmerie report to a number of senior officials, District of Liege, November 21, 1994. (emphasis from report)
/unquote

In earlier posts I set out the dimensions of The Creature: Immunity from prosecution;
Information asymmetry, especially hidden wealth; Centralized control via specialized
computer systems; Private paramilitary forces; and Weaponized financial instruments.

The 1994 Belgian report suggests a different order within the known world. That there
exists an estate entirely separated from normal life, and one that can kill with impunity.

Of necessity, I've been selective in the information presented thus far, and concentrated
on how the financial sector has grown. It's difficult to read many of the stories attached
to the outworkings of these systems, as for example, that shown in the work of Joël van der
Reijden. It is clear that action without consequence or conscience is corrosive. Nassim
Taleb's "And don't give up on logic, intellect and education, because a tight but higher
order logical reasoning would show that the logic of advocating regime changes implies
also advocating slavery." [2] comes nowhere close to exposing the horrors that unrestrained
deviant behaviour brings in this report. [1] A separate world exists with different mores,
different standards of behaviour.

It is, however, seemingly acceptable for Treasury Secretary Paulson to "dry heave" on
learning that UK Chancellor Darling refused Barclay's purchase of Lehman Brothers thus
avoiding adding ~$200Bn to the UK ~$50Bn taxpayer black hole of 2008. No such concerns were
evident in the fictional WWIII of Dr Strangelove, and I doubt that President Trump
reached for the wastepaper basket before ordering 60 cruise missiles to strike Syria,
despite the risks of a direct conflict with Russia. Such concerns, or lack thereof, give
some insight to the inner savoir-faire of The Creature. George Carlin's "It's a big Club,
and You ain't in it" resonates.     

In trying to gather these threads together, there seems to be no centre, no guiding
principle, except an overwhelming desire for secrecy and to preserve the status quo.
Quoting Joël van der Reijden, ""Nebula" leader Felix Przedborski lived next-door to
Yeltsin-era oligarchs Boris Berezovsky and business partner Badri Patarkatsishvili.
Both were Zionists, long-time patrons of Putin, and linked to the Chechen mafia.
For details, go here. Almost certainly it was Mossad Colonel Yair Klein who protected
Przedborski."[2} Danny Casolaro and Cheri Seymour's investigations lead to individuals
at the US Department of Justice, specific companies in the MIC, and to the CIA.[3]
Eric DeCarbonnel exposes the Treasury's, Wall Street's,and the CIA's complicity in a series
of events relating to what at first sight seems to be the criminal financing of abusive
behaviour. Sterling and Peggy Seagrave add Japan's War Criminals to the list of people acting
above and outside the Law.[4] Kay Griggs reveals assassinations were carried out by serving
and by retired US servicemen, on the instructions of some higher authority. [5]

Perhaps unrelated to this, except for a shared suffering, is the weaponization of Refugees:
"Our team takes a peek behind the curtain to find the root causes for why and how millions
of people are migrating from war torn countries, and who benefits. We also examine the
history and context of synthetically-created refugee crises since 1951." [6]

It is impossible to calculate how differently things might have gone if the US Government
had come clean on its handling of the looted WWII treasure. It's interesting to compare the
secret manipulation of material matters in what is supposedly a Capitalist Economy, with
the anxious concern to track every bitcoin transaction, when State Secrets may be doing
so much damage by the misallocation if resources?

[1] https://isgp-studies.com/belgium-la-nebuleuse-atlas-dossier-and-dutroux-x-files
[2] http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-23/taleb-trashes-interventionistas-their-mental-defects
[3] "The Last Circle" Cheri Seymour
[4] "Gold Warriors" Sterling and Peggy Seagrave
[5] http://www.hugequestions.com/Eric/DesperateWives/Desperate-Wives-1_transcript.html
[6] https://www.newsbud.com/2016/10/14/the-generators-agent-provocateurs-opportunists-of-the-refugee-crisis/

STT
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April 23, 2017, 12:49:10 AM
Hi, OROBTC

You are after all the  gold reserve. What do you want to do with that old world gold reserve ? The new financial system with new economic standard will replace gold in to digital codes and numbers. This will devalue the gold price as people will buy the digital currency instead of gold. Gold from the vault could be pull out and make ornaments to beautify the ladies. There is no need to store economic value in gold anymore. I think we can introduce a new system, a new thing where people will store their economic value in it. Like goat or potato. I have created a Tomato Standard. The gold maniac will have to sell their gold to buy my Tomato Standard to store their financial asset into it. It is a 'Trust Less Trust' with digital currency. Would you like to collaborate with me and discuss about the future of gold reserve ?
That whole scenario already happened.  We deviated far and wide from the gold standard and much wealth and value was redirected elsewhere by dollar holdings in the years since 1971.  Dollars are effectively a digital currency with most value virtual not handled in cash or transacted openly.  Large amounts are exchanged internally between government departments never seen or proved of worth in the wider economy by national populations only their governments often undemocratic completing the unproven circle.  
I think the only clue to uncover disparity in the modern system is for an exercise in clarity to scrap all modern dollar pricing when you look at any system and just set every price at the fix it was in 1971 then see where it will fail most likely.
  Its likely the stated dollar market price for gold is also incorrect and extremely uneven and lumpy around the world as again its not openly traded or exchanged for value in an economy.   The Chinese do not declare their gold holdings properly and no where is it commonly a backing for trade or capital, only loosely handled in India or various places at rough value like Chinese builders used to swap raw copper in deals to buy land.

Bitcoin has its uses but Im not sure its going to prove more accurate then gold long term in determining value.  Dollar is obviously going to fail integrity as its become so biased to certain parties that do not create wealth in an economy.  Money is like anything it has to be of use or it will be replaced for a better product, one theory I heard is fiat Dollar will be replaced by fiat IMF notes or SDR.  I guess thats the best half way cynical solution
legendary
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April 22, 2017, 11:04:07 PM
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m-t

Truly there ARE huge sums of wealth being extracted by various sleazy means, your examples above are "straight out of the textbook".

I read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" and I found Perkins to be totally believable.  Bribing the elites to gain resources of poor countries.

I had not read of the Reynolds sleaze, but all the cigarette companies knew for ages that their products were very toxic, and nothing they did to make a buck would surprise me.

All three of the mafias (Colombian, Italian and Russian) were all bad.  Last I heard the Colombians are becoming less relevant every year as the Mexicans (and even the Peruvians) displace some of their business.
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April 22, 2017, 03:56:17 PM

The previous post described the extraction of astronomical sums from
the very rich and the truly wealthy. To move on from this I have to
get into speculation about corporate secret activities. A possible reason
for the targeting of wealthy individuals was the removal of competitors
and to maintain control of what was to become a financial battlefield.

I've tried to avoid speculation thus far, so consider this to be a warning.

Despite massive resources and extensive military and intelligence resources,
the "Gold Warriors" just weren't that smart, to judge from the Nugan-Hand
Bank, BCCI and some other evidence. They screwed up, causing Nixon hand over
control of the M-fund to Japanese politicians, divorce the US$ from gold, and
the balance of power moved from the Warlords into the hands of the Bankers.

The two things that stop ordinary decent criminals from taking over the world
are: fear of prosecution; and seizure or taxation of illicit activities.
 
The thing that separates The Creature from all sorts of other activities is this:
the tasks are exempt from the legal reporting structures. [1] 01:04:00
Perhaps the best known black project was the CIA funding for the U2 spy planes,
but for maximum profit, The Creature needs access to illegal monopolies - arms
sales and drug sales - AKA the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. [2]

This flow of dollars has to be invested in resources, preferably commodities in
emerging economies. The preferred way is through seizure, for example   
the resource seizure process was outlined in "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".
Identify the resource in a 3rd world country. Bribe or subvert the local Elite in
control. Borrow in US$ to fund projects at rates that are unsustainable.
When Debt becomes unpayable, an IMF loan is offered, with the condition that the
resource becomes the property of international interests. The result is control
not only of the resource, but also control of the government of the nation.

The investment process makes the invisible, visible, via some form of money
laundering, but the profits tend to create exponential growth like this:

"With Dillon's assistance Reynolds expanded out of its tobacco base into a wide variety of
industries - foodstuffs, marine transportation, petroleum, packaging, liquor,
and soft drinks, among others. In the process the R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. of 1963,
which had revenues of $117 million, became the R. J. Reynolds Industries of 1983,
a $14 billion behemoth."
"2. The DEFENDANTS knowingly sell their products to organized crime, arrange for secret
payments from organized crime, and launder such proceeds in the United States or offshore
venues known for bank secrecy. DEFENDANTS have laundered the illegal proceeds of members
of Italian, Russian, and Colombian organized crime through financial institutions in New
York City, including The Bank of New York, Citibank N.A., and Chase Manhattan Bank.
DEFENDANTS have even chosen to do business in Iraq, in violation of U.S. sanctions,
in transactions that financed both the Iraqi regime and terrorist groups."
"RJR has been aware of organized crime's involvement in the distribution of its products
since at least the 1970s. On January 4, 1978, the Tobacco Institute's Committee of Counsel
met at the offices of Phillip Morris in New York City. The Committee of Counsel was the high
tribunal that set the tobacco industry's legal, political, and public relations strategy for
more than three decades. The January 4, 1978 meeting was called to discuss, among other things,
published reports concerning organized crime's involvement in the tobacco trade and the tobacco
industry's complicity therein. The published reports detailed the role of organized crime in the
tobacco trade (including the Colombo crime family in New York) and the illegal trade at the
Canadian border and elsewhere. RJR's general counsel, Max Crohn, attended and participated in
the meeting. All of the large cigarette manufacturers were present at the meeting and represented
by counsel, such as Phillip Morris (Arnold & Porter, Abe Krash) [Author's note: Arnold & Porter
is a firm that will come up several times later in our story] and Brown & Williamson
(Paul Weiss Rifkind Wharton & Garrison, Martin London). The Committee of Counsel took no action
to address, investigate, or end the role of organized crime in the tobacco business. Instead,
the Committee agreed to formulate a joint plan of action to protect the industry from scrutiny of
the U.S. Congress. [13c]" [3]

This would be a good point to listen to Catherine Austin Fitts "This is a System" "It was the best
of a lot of bad options." [1] 00:12:45 "If you move $40Tn out of these different legal systems
and into a new system that you could earn enough money, dividends and interest to pay the ongoing
costs of a global government." [1] 01:04:30

So, if $40Tn just drops off the radar screen, is the current US economic data and World economic
data believable? Who has control of that amount of credit? Are the Bankers still wrenching gold
from the hands of the Warlords? I'm thinking that in a three-way fight, Bankers vs Warlords vs
Mathematics, Math will win, but when?

Dark, difficult, posts are in the pipeline ....

[1] Catherine Austin Fitts at the Secret Space Program Conference 2014 San Mateo.
[2] http://www.dunwalke.com/4_Narco_Dollars.htm
"Through the MOU, the DOJ relieved the CIA of any legal obligation to report information of drug trafficking and drug law violations with respect to CIA agents, assets, non-staff employees and contractors.[23] Presumably, this included the corporate contractors who, by executive order, were now allowed to handle sensitive intelligence and national security outsourcing."
[3] http://www.dunwalke.com/3_Narco_Dollars.htm
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April 15, 2017, 03:30:29 PM
Lord Blackadder: Baldrick, you wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted
itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing
"Subtle Plans are Here Again!"

Sounds about a subtle as trying to cash ten $1,000,000,000.00 "Kennedy Bonds."
Now, I was going to describe these as "counterfeit," but when it comes to these
Bonds, and the other enterprising documents, they exhibit a level of weirdness
that makes even the word "counterfeit" suspect.

The background is best summed up on Reddit in the conspiracy section. [1]
 
To try to make sense of the bizarre stories, I'll separate off the bonds dated
before WWII. Both Japan and Germany had reason to prepare and issue counterfeit
US Bonds, and also the US may have prepared such documents as a means of economic
warfare. Bonds issued issued in support of covert activities, and backed by gold
from the Black Eagle trust and similar Japanese Bonds are of particular interest.
[2] 01:02:08 [4] p127 "It is, accordingly, my unqualified opinion that the
Certificates are not counterfeit." Professor Lausier [4] p129 

If, back in the day, The Secretary of the Treasury could not control people in the
Federal Reserve Bank, that may be a problem for the USA, even today.

What is interesting though, is not necessarily the Bonds themselves, but also why
they might have been issued, when they might have been issued, and their terms and
redemption dates.

"In fact, suggests Prof Aldrich, the monetary instruments obtained by Slamaj may be
intricate forgeries, but if they are, it is possible that the CIA manufactured them."[3]

The Bearer Bonds referred to above are, in principle, the same as a bet on a horse race.
If you like the odds, you hand over some money to a bookmaker, get a docket, and at some
agreed time you collect your winnings. If it's a two horse race for 50 years, and you can
back both horses at 3:1 odds, you may want to take those bets. Of course, both horses
might die, the bookmaker might disappear, and the docket might get lost, so it's not
quite the sure thing it appears to be.

As to why the Bonds were issued, the simplest explanation is that they are fake, ie that
no legitimate equivalent exists. That may be so, but for the purposes of this narrative
I will move on to the more interesting alternative: that they are someone's liability,
and that somewhere, the original asset still exists. There is also the possibility that
the original asset in encumbered, that multiple debts are outstanding against each
original asset.

If the original assets are held in dark accounts, and the liabilities are also covert,
re-hypothecation must occur unless a central register of assets and liabilities is
prepared and constantly updated. And even then, if fraud is intentional, it will happen
anyway.   

The size of these liabilities suggests activities such as war; setting up the European
Community; the Iran Contra Affair; the conflicts in South and Mid America; the War on
Drugs; the War on Terror; and "land" grabs in Space, Technology and Information. This
is just to give a vision of the scale of activity these things might cover, and where
covert financing might want to get involved.

Suppose, in the example above, both horses make it to the finish line, but the bookmaker
hasn't had the foresight to lay off enough of the risk to be able to make good on the
docket. Even worse, there are a whole bunch of people all waving a docket covering the same
bet, so what happens? As soon as the first guy gets arrested for counterfeiting, no-one
else presses their claim, unless they have good hard evidence of the bookmakers's
wrongdoing. But, one way or another, a load of Debt vaporizes.

When that happens, good debt becomes bad debt, and gets written off and if enough of that
happens, it can move the needle on a country's GDP, even a country the size of the USA.   

"We have received reports that the Treasury has conducted secret talks with a few of
the note holders and has made offers to redeem them for a small percentage (1-10%)
of their face value. The Treasury clearly wants these notes turned in and removed
from 'circulation'...but will not pay full face value for obvious reasons." [3]

A less obvious reason may be that once the Bonds are admitted to be genuine, a linkage to
covert and illegal activities may be exposed - which somewhat argues against the publicity
surrounding their discovery. There may be other incidents that were hidden from the press.   

Other possibly unfake "fake" paper?
21849 Tons. Think of 1000kg gold as a rounding error [5]
 
Maybe this is why the Deep State wants to ban all forms of paper money, except Bitcoin. :-)

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1qnth3/financing_a_breakaway_civilisation_a_series_of/

[2] Joseph P Farrell at the Secret Space Program Conference 2014 San Mateo presentation 1.

[3] http://rense.com/general41/lost.htm

[4] Gold Warriors - the Japanese '57' Bonds were issued in 1982-1984 with a 15 year maturity 

[5] http://americannationalmilitia.com/ubs-goes-down/
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April 15, 2017, 03:28:13 PM
"The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger
hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand.
He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner,
or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different.
Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd.
Oceania was at war with Eastasia! "
George Orwell "1984" Chapter 2 The sixth day of Hate Week 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-14/latest-shadow-brokers-leak-reveals-nsa-hacked-swift-belgium-hq
"Just to put it all into perspective, it was not the Russian government that allegedly had backdoor access to virtually every Windows-based platform and had infiltrated the information network that connects every bank in the world, but the NSA... and the US government."
"While many more questions will emerge following today's leak, one can't help but wonder if the entire "Russian hacking" scandal had been staged - either with the prior knowledge of the NSA or without - and just how much deeper this particular rabbit hole goes."
"Maybe if all suviving WWIII theshadowbrokers be seeing you next week. Who knows what we having next time?"

If you've been paying attention, you'll already know all this - and more.
 
sr. member
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April 08, 2017, 04:03:38 PM
"Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have lesser fleas and so ad infinitum" The Oxford Book of Proverbs

Have you ever wondered why governments print or mint their own money?
Or why communities, at times of financial stress issue their own banknotes?

The reason is convenience. But also the knowledge thet the issuer, at some
time in the future, will make good on his promise to pay. So, if you have
the assets to cover the debt, and the ability to produce perfect counterfeit
goods or currency, an if in so doing you can keep covert activities secret,
aren't you going to get into the counterfeiting business?

In the 1950's and 1960's gold and silver coins circulated readily in Europe,
hence their use by the CIA and by European Intelligence services to fund
covert operations. By 2001 'drugs are called "gold" and used as currency
worldwide.' [1] This merely moves the problem of counterfeiting from the drugs
themselves and onto the fiat money payment system. And having weaponised
medication circulating freely alongside weaponised currency probably doesn't
count as a war crime if or when things get messy. At time the line between
unauthorised and counterfeit can be very thin.

"... FRN's and FRB's ... were printed by the US Government at the Bureau of Engraving
and Printing in Washington, where the CIA has an office occupied full-time in such
activities ..." [2] "Bender claims that the supernotes are of such high quality and are
updated so frequently that they could be produced only by a US Government agency such as
the CIA. [3] 00:14:03 "Whoever is doing this is operating at a loss" "They deliberately
produce them in a way that can be tracked by no-one except the US Government and other
central banks."

As Mr DeCarbonnel points out this counterfeit money can go straight to the bottom line of
the ESU's balance sheet, it "increases profits" and it helps "negate the threat" of dollars
in the rest of the world returning to the United States. The highest dollar denomination
is $100. Bonds, including dollar Bonds can be any value, including billions, and hundreds
of millions of dollars and dollar equivalents. 
 
It may be difficult to grasp the scaling here. I'll take gold ($1250/oz) as a metaphor:

Big flea: the Derivatives market =          17,360,000 Tons
little flea : the Bond Market    =          2,480,000 Tons
little flea : the stock market   =          1,240,000 Tons
lesser flea : US$ paper notes etc =          99,200 Tons
Illicit drugs flea, world (1% GDP) =          17,360 Tons
Bitcoin flea: Market cap      =             448 Tons
and so ad infinitum.
             
Hence, if you are doing something likely to "move the needle" within the $19Tn US economy,
eg covert economic warfare, then counterfeiting US $100 bills isn't likely to be your go-to
theater. Despite reports about US Dept of Defence spending and lack of control,[4]
it would be problematic to use thousands and perhaps tens of thousands of tons of gold
as any form of weapon directly or covertly.

Despite the notional size of the Derivatives market, there are too few players to allow
covert action to take place, and the nett size of the market is relatively tiny.

Maybe the Bond market is the place to look.

'A journalist at the Financial Times told us: "It has now reached a point where you
can go into one of the big banks in New York, London or Zurich, give them half a metric
ton of gold in return for a certificate of ownership, walk around the block for ten minutes,
re-enter the same bank, and they'll deny ever seeing you before, and have you arrested for
presenting them with a counterfeit certificate."' [5]   

Half a metric ton of gold is $20 million.
 
[1] Chapter 17 "The Last Circle" p341

[2] Gold Warriors p255

[3] "What I have been afraid to blog about the ESF and its history - part 5" Eric Decarbonnel
from http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/01/10/v-print/24521/us-counterfeiting-charges-against.html

[4] http://www.webpronews.com/reuters-pentagon-bookkeepers-wasted-8-5-trillion-2013-11/

[5] Gold Warriors p248
newbie
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April 02, 2017, 10:12:23 PM
Hi, OROBTC

You are after all the  gold reserve. What do you want to do with that old world gold reserve ? The new financial system with new economic standard will replace gold in to digital codes and numbers. This will devalue the gold price as people will buy the digital currency instead of gold. Gold from the vault could be pull out and make ornaments to beautify the ladies. There is no need to store economic value in gold anymore. I think we can introduce a new system, a new thing where people will store their economic value in it. Like goat or potato. I have created a Tomato Standard. The gold maniac will have to sell their gold to buy my Tomato Standard to store their financial asset into it. It is a 'Trust Less Trust' with digital currency. Would you like to collaborate with me and discuss about the future of gold reserve ?
sr. member
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April 02, 2017, 02:21:25 PM
Another useful idiot with a bullhorn yammering on with the same old shyte.You need paid shills like these to generate the false narrative in order to justify the clampdown just like the nazi scum did.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2017/03/28/bitcoin-blood-diamonds-of-the-digital-era/#2a244648492a
legendary
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April 02, 2017, 11:20:50 AM
Great post again MT.

Nugen Hand Bank is quite famous in Australia - Hand was one of Australia's most wanted fugitives after Nugen was found dead. The bank collapsed with debts of 50m in the 70's. Hand was recently found living in the US.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/nugan-hand-bank-mystery-michael-hand-found-living-in-the-united-states-20151107-gkthas.html

The links between the CIA, Black Eagle Trust, War, Death Squads, Politics and Money are many.

I cant help but link it all to recovered war loot being used as the "gold standard" for the black ops world.

OROBTC are you coming around to this viewpoint at all?




Gents, I have done some reading on Nugen Hand and their ties to the CIA, etc.  What I have read is plenty convincing.

But I wear a tinfoil hat.  Maybe it's a different brand than what others wear, as I do not see any evidence of huge piles of gold laying around, but I will say I have not investigated this enough to be definitive.

One only has just a certain amount of time, there is not enough to investigate all the DEEP rabbit holes out there.

At this point, I just stack.  I stack some BTC too.  Oh, and bearings in Peru for re-sale.   Smiley
legendary
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April 02, 2017, 08:18:11 AM
Great post again MT.

Nugen Hand Bank is quite famous in Australia - Hand was one of Australia's most wanted fugitives after Nugen was found dead. The bank collapsed with debts of 50m in the 70's. Hand was recently found living in the US.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/nugan-hand-bank-mystery-michael-hand-found-living-in-the-united-states-20151107-gkthas.html

The links between the CIA, Black Eagle Trust, War, Death Squads, Politics and Money are many.

I cant help but link it all to recovered war loot being used as the "gold standard" for the black ops world.

OROBTC are you coming around to this viewpoint at all?


sr. member
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April 01, 2017, 03:37:17 PM
"all your base are belong to us"
cut-scene from the 1992 Mega-Drive port of the 1989 arcade video game Zero Wing.

"The Pentagon has claimed, year after year, that the reason it can't
account for the money is because its computers don't communicate with
each other."  Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) asks questions ...

It seems that the Pentagon just didn't have the resources to ... but wait ...
"One of the "magical" capabilities of PROMIS, one has to assume, is that it is
equipped with artificial intelligence and was apparently from the outset "able to
simultaneously read and integrate any number of different computer programs or databases,
regardless of the language in which the original programs had been written or the
operating systems and platforms on which that database was then currently installed." [1]

Hmmmm .... Sooooo what's this PROMIS thing? where did it come from? and what were the
legacy systems it replaced? and why doesn't the Pentagon use it? Where to start?

The period 1945-1970 saw paper based records such as double entry book-keeping gradually
replaced by computer assisted accounting. These systems did not provide much in the way
of management tools until the early 1980's, hence in the early 1980's there was a new
requirement - management information systems (MIS) that could access legacy systems already
in place to extract key data, collate it, and present it as an aid to management oversight
and decision making.

One such enterprise in need of computer software in the 1970's was the Nugan-Hand Limited.
"Nugan Hand Ltd. was founded in Sydney in 1973 by Australian lawyer Frank Nugan (who was
reputedly associated with the Mafia) and former U.S. Green Beret Michael John Hand who operated
in Northern Laos as part of the Phoenix Project. They were assisted in this by Paul Helliwell,
one of the primary OSS agents in the original Yamashita gold operation." [2]
"U.S. Military, Admirals and Generals, as well as intelligence community officials,
supposedly either "retired", or "on leave", operated Nugan-Hand, and aided thereafter Household
and its numerous units and subsidiaries. The "tracking the money" project was conducted over-all
by Household International with the assistance reportedly of Systematics, a banking computer
services firm, originally a subsidiary of an Arkansas-based operation." [2]

The tasks are familiar to many enterprises, to track people, legal entities, balance accounts,
and to record the linkages, payments and changes in near real time. Crossing boundaries and
custom adaptation causes problem, but standardising software objects solves many problems.

The Justice Department "misappropriated" PROMIS in 1982 for three separate projects:
"(1) NSA's deployment of PROMIS to banks to enable NSA to track wire transfers of money and
letters of credit; (2) Israeli Intelligence's sale of a trap-door version of PROMIS to
foreign governments so Israel and the United States could covertly intercept their intelligence
secrets; and (3) the CIA's deployment of PROMIS throughout the US government as the standard
database software ..." [3]

A feature of systems that become more and more interconnected, is the potential for emergence,
ie novel and unpredictable forms of behaviour. The addition of AI into the mix suggests that this
change happened to PROMIS at some time in the early 1990's : "... penetrate every banking system in the
World. PROMIS software could be used to influence and predict financial markets worldwide." [4] 00:55:10
"Dyncorp was heavily involved in the evolution of PROMIS software" [4] 00:56:00

Looking at this through gamer's eyes, it seems to me that this evolution of the software is like
using the "cheat" codes in a FPS game to gain invulnerability, 100% health, and infinite ammunition.
It changes the way the game is played, and no sane person will want to play that game with you. 

I doubt that Inslaw will ever be fully compensated for what was taken from them. [5]
For a peek at the general structure of PROMIS, see the Inslaw website. [6]

Questions about the past are stll umanswered. As for the future, could you live with
an Artificial Intelligence whose prime directive is to keep its existence a secret? 
 
[1] http://www.larsschall.com/2012/03/20/insider-trading-911-the-facts-laid-bare/

[2] Collateral-Damage-911-black_eagle_fund_trust.pdf
[*SPOILER ALERT* reading this .pdf is a bit like hearing the final score in any TV game]

[3] The last Circle - Chapter 17- The Inslaw Affair p254
http://www.ark-roundtable.com/index.html

[4] https://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/episode210-hq.mp3 {unverified}

[5] http://wired.com/1993/01/inslaw - The Inslaw Octopus

[6] http://www.inslawinc.com/

sr. member
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April 01, 2017, 03:36:03 PM
@OROBTC - I try to hang on to my wicked sense of humor :-)

The money they are hoping to tax is from the black budgets of the intelligence agencies
plus The Black Eagle Trust's modern derivatives. I a moment of optimism, I'd thought
they would have figured that farce out before blaming the innocent.

And remind me - "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."
Didn't the guy who said that end up dying in a bunker after poisoning his
children and shooting his wife?
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