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Martin Armstrong has a nice article up on how the sleazy banks are now being required to report ever more cash transactions to the sleazy governments. If THIS article does not fit into "Economic Totalitarianism", I'll eat my hat.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/banks-secretly-report-all-cash-transactions-to-the-police/
Turns out that not only is "structuring" a crime (to evade the $10,000 reporting requirement by doing, say, 3 cash transactions of $5000 each), there is a $100,000 / year structuring which gets punished even more severely.
Highly recommended article for the privacy minded. The noose gets ever-tighter.
Topic: Economic Totalitarianism - page 3. (Read 345711 times)
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There is a lot of interesting information on the British Sovereign here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_(British_coin)
The most important info (for here anyway) is:
Total weight: 7.98 gm
Purity: 22kt (91.67% pure gold)
AGW: 7.3145 gm
British sovereigns are almost always sole at a rather high premium to gold value, as it is much collected by coin collectors. There are numerous mint marks (from various mints in the UK, Canada, Australia and even India), this adds to collection allure.
Here's a modern one (from the above article):
* * *
Of interest is that Peru minted their own "clone" of the Sovereign, in most years from 1898 - 1969. Same size and weight as the British coin.
There is a lot of interesting information on the British Sovereign here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_(British_coin)
The most important info (for here anyway) is:
Total weight: 7.98 gm
Purity: 22kt (91.67% pure gold)
AGW: 7.3145 gm
British sovereigns are almost always sole at a rather high premium to gold value, as it is much collected by coin collectors. There are numerous mint marks (from various mints in the UK, Canada, Australia and even India), this adds to collection allure.
Here's a modern one (from the above article):
* * *
Of interest is that Peru minted their own "clone" of the Sovereign, in most years from 1898 - 1969. Same size and weight as the British coin.
gold sovereigns are about 22 carat gold. (95% IIRC) I seem to recall that copper is the
major impurity.
I calculated 4000MT taking the Gladio narrative at face value, ie that Aldo Moro was
murdered as part of a botched operation by the Red Brigades. An alternative explanation
is that he was murdered by others connected directly to Gladio. He died in 1978. If that
is what happened and if Gladio was closed down in 1979, then the revised gold budget
may be over 3100MT. There were almost certainly other similar CIA operations elsewhere.
major impurity.
I calculated 4000MT taking the Gladio narrative at face value, ie that Aldo Moro was
murdered as part of a botched operation by the Red Brigades. An alternative explanation
is that he was murdered by others connected directly to Gladio. He died in 1978. If that
is what happened and if Gladio was closed down in 1979, then the revised gold budget
may be over 3100MT. There were almost certainly other similar CIA operations elsewhere.
I thought there was a quite simple set of scales for sovereigns which only takes a coin with exact diameter and depth and then balances to an exact weight. Obviously only gold being able to fit both those categories at once, if any other material was close it would be obvious upon fairly brief examination. Isnt that half the worth of a gold coin, its not hard wearing but its not easy to copy when tested properly
Cant find the video I saw but its not rare just antique I guess http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/sis.html?_nkw=Harrison+Sovereign+Scales+Antique+Old+Brass+w+Gold+Lustre+Unusal+Item+Victorian&_itemId=301201492445&_trksid=p2047675.m4099
Largest secret hidden gold stash I read of was from an ancient Indian temple. It might have pre dated 1493 in its origin which is unbelievable but India itself was a rich empire at one point of time, asia being superior in wealth and trade to Europe many years prior to the renaissance .
I think this is the correct google result for that https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2015/11/13/a-one-trillion-dollar-hidden-treasure-chamber-is-discovered-at-indias-sree-padmanabhaswam-temple/&refURL=https://www.google.co.uk/&referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/
1 trillion wealth from temple founded over a millennia ago
Cant find the video I saw but its not rare just antique I guess http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/sis.html?_nkw=Harrison+Sovereign+Scales+Antique+Old+Brass+w+Gold+Lustre+Unusal+Item+Victorian&_itemId=301201492445&_trksid=p2047675.m4099
Largest secret hidden gold stash I read of was from an ancient Indian temple. It might have pre dated 1493 in its origin which is unbelievable but India itself was a rich empire at one point of time, asia being superior in wealth and trade to Europe many years prior to the renaissance .
I think this is the correct google result for that https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2015/11/13/a-one-trillion-dollar-hidden-treasure-chamber-is-discovered-at-indias-sree-padmanabhaswam-temple/&refURL=https://www.google.co.uk/&referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/
1 trillion wealth from temple founded over a millennia ago
@OROBTC - I made the best estimate I could of the financial structure of Gladio based
on statements made on the BBC documentary. For example, the average US wage in
1951 is quoted at $2799 pa, which equates to 80 ounces of gold. Hence is the statements
made are literally true, and allowing for modest amounts of materials support also paid
in gold, the operation had a budget of 4000 metric tons of gold over 46 years.
I am of the view that the early evidence of counterfeiting of gold sovereigns tends to support
that structure, at least until the 1960's began. I seem to recall reports of fakes that could
only be detected by analysis of the proportions of non-monetary metals. I have no claims
to expertise in this area, so until further data appears, it's a guess.
I could argue further, but that might miss the point that the CIA was willing to commit a
huge quantity of gold to Gladio in its early stages, and that practical limits to the
amount of gold that could be distributed, particularly just after the US came away from
the Gold Standard as wage inflation outpaced gold pricing.
on statements made on the BBC documentary. For example, the average US wage in
1951 is quoted at $2799 pa, which equates to 80 ounces of gold. Hence is the statements
made are literally true, and allowing for modest amounts of materials support also paid
in gold, the operation had a budget of 4000 metric tons of gold over 46 years.
I am of the view that the early evidence of counterfeiting of gold sovereigns tends to support
that structure, at least until the 1960's began. I seem to recall reports of fakes that could
only be detected by analysis of the proportions of non-monetary metals. I have no claims
to expertise in this area, so until further data appears, it's a guess.
I could argue further, but that might miss the point that the CIA was willing to commit a
huge quantity of gold to Gladio in its early stages, and that practical limits to the
amount of gold that could be distributed, particularly just after the US came away from
the Gold Standard as wage inflation outpaced gold pricing.
...
FOFOA mentioned a figure recently, which I just do not have handy, re total world investment into gold coins. I hate to guess, but I think it is around 5000 metric tons (all of it, K-Rands, Sovereigns, Eagles, all of it).
TOTAL world gold holdings are around 180,000 MT.
Therefore I must doubt any reports of 4000 MT of Sovereigns having been minted outside the UK Mint.
There are fake US$5 gold coins (1929 and before Half Eagles), most of them minted in Lebanon, but the numbers are not that high, and the gold content is actually very close to the real US coins.
FOFOA mentioned a figure recently, which I just do not have handy, re total world investment into gold coins. I hate to guess, but I think it is around 5000 metric tons (all of it, K-Rands, Sovereigns, Eagles, all of it).
TOTAL world gold holdings are around 180,000 MT.
Therefore I must doubt any reports of 4000 MT of Sovereigns having been minted outside the UK Mint.
There are fake US$5 gold coins (1929 and before Half Eagles), most of them minted in Lebanon, but the numbers are not that high, and the gold content is actually very close to the real US coins.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars.
The rest I just squandered" - George Best, Football Star
Gladio is just one footprint in the snow. It is reasonably well documented from
1945 to 1995, as a result of confessions given in Court. Some things can be
inferred, and cross-checks an be made. And why is this important and interesting?
Because with some educated guesses, the Gladio budget can be estimated.
The Gladio operatives were paid in gold coin, at a rate of US$1000 per month,
around 1978, close to the average wage of the day. For groups of 12, $20,000 per month.
If payment in gold kept pace with average wages, that gives 5000 ounces basic pay total
per footsoldier. For 50 years, plus expenses, excluding bribes, I make that 4,000 tons
of gold in round figures, or an average of 80 tons a year.
For now, 8,200 stay-behinds seems a workable number to subvert a Soviet invasion of Western Europe.
It's likely that the gold coin used as payment was the "British" sovereign. The coins
circulated freely within Europe after WWII, so is there evidence of good counterfeit
sovereigns appearing while Gladio was running?
" It is difficult to quantify the scale of the problem with any certainty
but it is probable that the number of counterfeits was vast. The Treasury
estimated that there were up to 300 million sovereigns in circulation in
the world in 1955. The Milan counterfeit factory operated by Beraha was one
of the first to be closed by the Italian police.
It was estimated to be able to produce up to a thousand coins a day." [1]
"Beraha was to later boast (Note 1) that he used more gold in his coins than the Royal Mint." [1]
"Unfortunately we are not in a position to make public use of the argument
that the copying of sovereigns may prevent us from employing them in our own
semi-clandestine activities in the Middle East." [1]
So, whether Gladio was fully funded by Nazi or Yamashita's gold, the evidence
suggests that a vast quantity of hidden gold was spent in Western Europe.
While all this seems attractive, there are some practical problems. Sovereigns
weigh just under eight grams, so 4,000 tons of sovereigns would be close to
500 million coins. That would double the number of sovereigns believed to be
in circulation. Also, once a fake is detected, questions such as "Where did you
get this?" are asked, somewhat inconvenient for your covert activity. Despite this,
the costs of this European operation can be estimated to a figure well within
an order of magnitude, and this sets a lower limit to the funds available to
the Creature in the years after WWII.
Some things follow from this.
First, this is on the scale of the combined gold reserves of Italy and Germany.
Second, this Gladio gold is profit, not revenue. It goes straight to the bottom
line of whatever balance sheet you happen to be looking at. If you are looking
at an Input/Output Matrix, it's in the "value-added" line. Or if you are George
Best, it's in "the rest I just squandered".
The final thing is that somebody has to keep track of this spending. Trillions
of dollars just don't go walkabout. [2]
It's not easy to explain. You either Get It, or you don't. And DYOR.
[1] https://goldsovereigns.co.uk/sovereignfakesin20thcentury.html
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA
Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) asks questions about:
Dyncorp Sex-Trade, Pentagon Missing $2.3 Trillion & 9/11 Wargames
"And who has the contract?"
The rest I just squandered" - George Best, Football Star
Gladio is just one footprint in the snow. It is reasonably well documented from
1945 to 1995, as a result of confessions given in Court. Some things can be
inferred, and cross-checks an be made. And why is this important and interesting?
Because with some educated guesses, the Gladio budget can be estimated.
The Gladio operatives were paid in gold coin, at a rate of US$1000 per month,
around 1978, close to the average wage of the day. For groups of 12, $20,000 per month.
If payment in gold kept pace with average wages, that gives 5000 ounces basic pay total
per footsoldier. For 50 years, plus expenses, excluding bribes, I make that 4,000 tons
of gold in round figures, or an average of 80 tons a year.
For now, 8,200 stay-behinds seems a workable number to subvert a Soviet invasion of Western Europe.
It's likely that the gold coin used as payment was the "British" sovereign. The coins
circulated freely within Europe after WWII, so is there evidence of good counterfeit
sovereigns appearing while Gladio was running?
" It is difficult to quantify the scale of the problem with any certainty
but it is probable that the number of counterfeits was vast. The Treasury
estimated that there were up to 300 million sovereigns in circulation in
the world in 1955. The Milan counterfeit factory operated by Beraha was one
of the first to be closed by the Italian police.
It was estimated to be able to produce up to a thousand coins a day." [1]
"Beraha was to later boast (Note 1) that he used more gold in his coins than the Royal Mint." [1]
"Unfortunately we are not in a position to make public use of the argument
that the copying of sovereigns may prevent us from employing them in our own
semi-clandestine activities in the Middle East." [1]
So, whether Gladio was fully funded by Nazi or Yamashita's gold, the evidence
suggests that a vast quantity of hidden gold was spent in Western Europe.
While all this seems attractive, there are some practical problems. Sovereigns
weigh just under eight grams, so 4,000 tons of sovereigns would be close to
500 million coins. That would double the number of sovereigns believed to be
in circulation. Also, once a fake is detected, questions such as "Where did you
get this?" are asked, somewhat inconvenient for your covert activity. Despite this,
the costs of this European operation can be estimated to a figure well within
an order of magnitude, and this sets a lower limit to the funds available to
the Creature in the years after WWII.
Some things follow from this.
First, this is on the scale of the combined gold reserves of Italy and Germany.
Second, this Gladio gold is profit, not revenue. It goes straight to the bottom
line of whatever balance sheet you happen to be looking at. If you are looking
at an Input/Output Matrix, it's in the "value-added" line. Or if you are George
Best, it's in "the rest I just squandered".
The final thing is that somebody has to keep track of this spending. Trillions
of dollars just don't go walkabout. [2]
It's not easy to explain. You either Get It, or you don't. And DYOR.
[1] https://goldsovereigns.co.uk/sovereignfakesin20thcentury.html
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA
Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) asks questions about:
Dyncorp Sex-Trade, Pentagon Missing $2.3 Trillion & 9/11 Wargames
"And who has the contract?"
"How can you kill women and children?"
"Easy, ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war Hell?"
Door Gunner - Full Metal Jacket (Film 1987)
Vincenzo Vinciguerra : When you were on the Right you were not supposed to attack the State or its
representatives. You were supposed to attack civilians, women, children. Innocent people outside
the political arena. For one simple reason: To force the Italian public to turn to the State
to turn to the regime and to ask for greater security. This was precisely the role of the Right in
Italy. It placed itself at the service of the State which created a strategy aptly called
"the Strategy of Tension" in so far as they had to get people to accept that at any moment over a
period of thirty years, from 1960 to the mid-eighties, a State of Emergency could be declared.
So, people would willingly trade part of their freedom for the security of being able to walk the
streets, go on trains or enter a bank. This is the political logic behind all the bombings.
They remain unpunished because the State cannot condemn itself. [1] 00:51:20
US Intelligence Field Manual
Top Secret : There may be times when host country governments show passivity or indecision
in the face of Communist subversion. US Army Intelligence must have the means of launching
special operations which will convince the host country governments and public opinion of
the reality of the insurgent danger. [1] 01:38:25
Judge Gerardo D'Ambrosio : At that moment we had Giannettini in for questioning. We were
paying attention to the role played by him in this affair. We had discovered that
Giannettini was one of those who believed in the so-called "Revolutionary War".
He had spoken of it at a conference. This conference had the patronage of the Chief of
Staff of Defence. What was also interesting was that Giannettini's speech wasn't only on
"revolutionary War" but on measures to be adopted to prevent the take-over of power by
the Communists. This strategy of counter-revolutionary war advocated provoking of
social tension to demonstrate the danger of the Left. A danger that could be demonstrated
by carrying out attacks that could be ascribed to the Left, and through infiltration
of the Left. [1] 01:30:32
Colonel Oswald Le Winter CIA - ITAC Liaison Officer, Europe : For instance Guido Giannettini
was on a scale of 5 and he only received $1000 a month. [1] 01:34:42
Scene: A Prime Minister's Office, early 1950's West Germany.
The Private Secretary enters.
Secretary: Prime Minister, A NATO General is here. He wants to see you immediately about
an assassination list.
PM: What list? Show him in now!
General: Good Morning Prime Minister. I've got some good news.
PM: Do tell, for a moment I thought my name might be on the list.
General: How very insightful, your name is actually on the list.
PM: And the good news is that we have the assassin in custody?
General: I'm afraid you can't do that, the NATO Treaty's secret amendment forbids it.
One of your predecessors agreed as a condition of joining NATO that any Right-wing
crazies drawing up assassination lists would be given complete immunity from prosecution.
PM: But you said there was good news?
General: Once I found out that the operation was unauthorised, of course I gave the
guy the frowning of a lifetime. I assure you that this was just a paper exercise.
PM: That's it? And you made sure this can't happen again? Who planned this?
General: That's above my pay grade Prime Minister. I can tell you that it is part
of Operation Gladio, and that Gladio, and probably NATO, are run by the CIA desk in the
State Department of the USA.
PM: So to arrest the people planning to assassinate me, we have to leave NATO. But if I
tell people that I am thinking of leaving NATO I could be assassinated. Got it.
And ... Scene.
"That's some catch, that Catch-22" he observed. "It's the best there is" Dan Daneeka agreed.
Catch-22 (Film and book)
General Truscott (retired) was the senior CIA representative in Germany 1951-1953.
A decade or two later, Italy may have surpassed Germany's Farce. After a series of terror
attacks, three policemen die in a car-bomb at Peteano. :
Vincenzo Vinciguerra : After the attack at Peteano, a mechanism was put in place which was used in all
such cases : A mechanism of cover-up : The Carabinieri, the Ministry of the Interior, the Customs and
Excise Police, the civilian and military secret services all knew the truth behind the attack, that
I was responsible, and all this within twenty days. So they decided, for totally political reasons,
to cover it up. General Mingarelli undoubtedly knew of the existence of Gladio.
He knew of a structure running parallel to that of the Armed Forces and which was operating in
his jurisdiction. Being Head of the Carabineri in the Udine region he is a key person.
This whole thing started with him even if he only gave the orders. Mingarelli was convicted for
crimes related to the cover-up of Peteano. [1] 01:02:04
Judge Felice Casson :
General Mingarelli was Commander of the Udine Carabineri. It might seem strange that a
Commander of the Carabineri was party to the cover-up of an attack where three of his men
died. At first he received a sentence of ten years and six months, later
reduced to two and a half years, a sentence he is now serving. [1] 01:02:04
Vincenzo Vinciguerra, speaking in 1992 : "I want the truth that the State denies and I can't even
contemplate accepting the rewards the State gives to those who lie and are obedient.
Because thousands of people have been deceived, jailed, and killed." [1] 02:21:23
It appears not much changed after Peteano.
So what to take away from this? That the Creature has successfully diverted responsibility
for its actions on to NATO, and perhaps even on to the CIA? Why has so much blood and treasure
been spent? and for what?
Senator Roger Lallemand : At first, financing was guaranteed by the British and the Americans.
We have established that the Belgian stay-behind were given gold coins, notably gold coins,
money for agents or instructors in time of war. [1] 00:36:33
Something similar was ongoing in Japan in these years,[2] and international drug trafficing
grew as the need for false flag attacks decreased.[3] [4] 00:16:17
[1] BBC Timewatch Documentary series 1992 "Gladio"
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrTca_5q89UIAwAVlsnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTB0MzkwOG5yBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1lIUzAwNF8x?p=bbc+gladio&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
see also
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/ever-growing-list-admitted-false-flag-attacks
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitaka_incident
[3] Chip Tatum : Black Ops Interview with Ted Gunderson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyEoRck0abA
[4]"What I have been afraid to blog about the ESF and its history - part 5" Eric Decarbonnel
"Easy, ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war Hell?"
Door Gunner - Full Metal Jacket (Film 1987)
Vincenzo Vinciguerra : When you were on the Right you were not supposed to attack the State or its
representatives. You were supposed to attack civilians, women, children. Innocent people outside
the political arena. For one simple reason: To force the Italian public to turn to the State
to turn to the regime and to ask for greater security. This was precisely the role of the Right in
Italy. It placed itself at the service of the State which created a strategy aptly called
"the Strategy of Tension" in so far as they had to get people to accept that at any moment over a
period of thirty years, from 1960 to the mid-eighties, a State of Emergency could be declared.
So, people would willingly trade part of their freedom for the security of being able to walk the
streets, go on trains or enter a bank. This is the political logic behind all the bombings.
They remain unpunished because the State cannot condemn itself. [1] 00:51:20
US Intelligence Field Manual
Top Secret : There may be times when host country governments show passivity or indecision
in the face of Communist subversion. US Army Intelligence must have the means of launching
special operations which will convince the host country governments and public opinion of
the reality of the insurgent danger. [1] 01:38:25
Judge Gerardo D'Ambrosio : At that moment we had Giannettini in for questioning. We were
paying attention to the role played by him in this affair. We had discovered that
Giannettini was one of those who believed in the so-called "Revolutionary War".
He had spoken of it at a conference. This conference had the patronage of the Chief of
Staff of Defence. What was also interesting was that Giannettini's speech wasn't only on
"revolutionary War" but on measures to be adopted to prevent the take-over of power by
the Communists. This strategy of counter-revolutionary war advocated provoking of
social tension to demonstrate the danger of the Left. A danger that could be demonstrated
by carrying out attacks that could be ascribed to the Left, and through infiltration
of the Left. [1] 01:30:32
Colonel Oswald Le Winter CIA - ITAC Liaison Officer, Europe : For instance Guido Giannettini
was on a scale of 5 and he only received $1000 a month. [1] 01:34:42
Scene: A Prime Minister's Office, early 1950's West Germany.
The Private Secretary enters.
Secretary: Prime Minister, A NATO General is here. He wants to see you immediately about
an assassination list.
PM: What list? Show him in now!
General: Good Morning Prime Minister. I've got some good news.
PM: Do tell, for a moment I thought my name might be on the list.
General: How very insightful, your name is actually on the list.
PM: And the good news is that we have the assassin in custody?
General: I'm afraid you can't do that, the NATO Treaty's secret amendment forbids it.
One of your predecessors agreed as a condition of joining NATO that any Right-wing
crazies drawing up assassination lists would be given complete immunity from prosecution.
PM: But you said there was good news?
General: Once I found out that the operation was unauthorised, of course I gave the
guy the frowning of a lifetime. I assure you that this was just a paper exercise.
PM: That's it? And you made sure this can't happen again? Who planned this?
General: That's above my pay grade Prime Minister. I can tell you that it is part
of Operation Gladio, and that Gladio, and probably NATO, are run by the CIA desk in the
State Department of the USA.
PM: So to arrest the people planning to assassinate me, we have to leave NATO. But if I
tell people that I am thinking of leaving NATO I could be assassinated. Got it.
And ... Scene.
"That's some catch, that Catch-22" he observed. "It's the best there is" Dan Daneeka agreed.
Catch-22 (Film and book)
General Truscott (retired) was the senior CIA representative in Germany 1951-1953.
A decade or two later, Italy may have surpassed Germany's Farce. After a series of terror
attacks, three policemen die in a car-bomb at Peteano. :
Vincenzo Vinciguerra : After the attack at Peteano, a mechanism was put in place which was used in all
such cases : A mechanism of cover-up : The Carabinieri, the Ministry of the Interior, the Customs and
Excise Police, the civilian and military secret services all knew the truth behind the attack, that
I was responsible, and all this within twenty days. So they decided, for totally political reasons,
to cover it up. General Mingarelli undoubtedly knew of the existence of Gladio.
He knew of a structure running parallel to that of the Armed Forces and which was operating in
his jurisdiction. Being Head of the Carabineri in the Udine region he is a key person.
This whole thing started with him even if he only gave the orders. Mingarelli was convicted for
crimes related to the cover-up of Peteano. [1] 01:02:04
Judge Felice Casson :
General Mingarelli was Commander of the Udine Carabineri. It might seem strange that a
Commander of the Carabineri was party to the cover-up of an attack where three of his men
died. At first he received a sentence of ten years and six months, later
reduced to two and a half years, a sentence he is now serving. [1] 01:02:04
Vincenzo Vinciguerra, speaking in 1992 : "I want the truth that the State denies and I can't even
contemplate accepting the rewards the State gives to those who lie and are obedient.
Because thousands of people have been deceived, jailed, and killed." [1] 02:21:23
It appears not much changed after Peteano.
So what to take away from this? That the Creature has successfully diverted responsibility
for its actions on to NATO, and perhaps even on to the CIA? Why has so much blood and treasure
been spent? and for what?
Senator Roger Lallemand : At first, financing was guaranteed by the British and the Americans.
We have established that the Belgian stay-behind were given gold coins, notably gold coins,
money for agents or instructors in time of war. [1] 00:36:33
Something similar was ongoing in Japan in these years,[2] and international drug trafficing
grew as the need for false flag attacks decreased.[3] [4] 00:16:17
[1] BBC Timewatch Documentary series 1992 "Gladio"
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrTca_5q89UIAwAVlsnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTB0MzkwOG5yBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1lIUzAwNF8x?p=bbc+gladio&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
see also
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/ever-growing-list-admitted-false-flag-attacks
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitaka_incident
[3] Chip Tatum : Black Ops Interview with Ted Gunderson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyEoRck0abA
[4]"What I have been afraid to blog about the ESF and its history - part 5" Eric Decarbonnel
Bundesbank seems to be in a hurry to get their gold back?
Someone tried to explain to me today that banks are the ones who create economic activity and people who borrowed and didnt pay back their loans were the ones responsible for the recent crash.I argued that it is the people who borrow from them who do this they then laughed as I tried to explain to them that money is created through lending and when they go to the bank to get their loan for their car or house they are in fact providing the collateral in the form of the asset they are purchasing and not only is it collateral backed they are issuing a security or promissary note offering interest just like a bond and additionally they would probably have their reputation/collateral and the reputation of a guarantor behind that so they don't take as much risk as was implied.I didn't want to take anymore of their valuable time explaining about repackaging of non performing REOs and selling on his loans through rehypothecation etc etc but this person simply dismissed these comments and went about their work waiting on tables.
Someone tried to explain to me today that banks are the ones who create economic activity and people who borrowed and didnt pay back their loans were the ones responsible for the recent crash.I argued that it is the people who borrow from them who do this they then laughed as I tried to explain to them that money is created through lending and when they go to the bank to get their loan for their car or house they are in fact providing the collateral in the form of the asset they are purchasing and not only is it collateral backed they are issuing a security or promissary note offering interest just like a bond and additionally they would probably have their reputation/collateral and the reputation of a guarantor behind that so they don't take as much risk as was implied.I didn't want to take anymore of their valuable time explaining about repackaging of non performing REOs and selling on his loans through rehypothecation etc etc but this person simply dismissed these comments and went about their work waiting on tables.
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tabnloz
Well, just go ahead and put up whatever links you have, and we'll take it from there. Again, I follow gold very closely but can claim no special expertise, especially in historical information on areas of the world and topics that I just don't know much about.
But, if there were all of this gold out there, lying around, especially in different places, wouldn't at least some of it have been stolen or photographed?
Re Chinese production, if you examine SRSrocco's production figures and read the article you will note that most world historical gold production was over the past 100 years or so. Ancient Greece & Rome did not produce all that much (precise quantities, of course, are impossible to get) as their technology was not good enough to get at any gold other than very rich seams. Same for China. And if, say, pre-1900 China had produced a HUGE amount of gold, more people would know about it. Just sayin'.
For reasons like this I am suspicious of most conspiracy theories, as they never seem to pan out.
tabnloz
Well, just go ahead and put up whatever links you have, and we'll take it from there. Again, I follow gold very closely but can claim no special expertise, especially in historical information on areas of the world and topics that I just don't know much about.
But, if there were all of this gold out there, lying around, especially in different places, wouldn't at least some of it have been stolen or photographed?
Re Chinese production, if you examine SRSrocco's production figures and read the article you will note that most world historical gold production was over the past 100 years or so. Ancient Greece & Rome did not produce all that much (precise quantities, of course, are impossible to get) as their technology was not good enough to get at any gold other than very rich seams. Same for China. And if, say, pre-1900 China had produced a HUGE amount of gold, more people would know about it. Just sayin'.
For reasons like this I am suspicious of most conspiracy theories, as they never seem to pan out.
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tabnloz
Sure, please do post whatever you find. And to be clear, I am not an expert on this matter, but I go with people whose work I trust, at least for now.
Here is a link showing total world gold holdings of about 170,000 tonnes, and about how Bix Weir and Karen Hudes are wrong about the 2,000,000 tonnes they claim re Yamashita's Gold:
Do you actually believe that there would be 200,000 pallets of gold tucked away in cave complexes in the Philippines and/or in a "secret vault" at The Bank of Hawaii?
tabnloz
Sure, please do post whatever you find. And to be clear, I am not an expert on this matter, but I go with people whose work I trust, at least for now.
Here is a link showing total world gold holdings of about 170,000 tonnes, and about how Bix Weir and Karen Hudes are wrong about the 2,000,000 tonnes they claim re Yamashita's Gold:
Do you actually believe that there would be 200,000 pallets of gold tucked away in cave complexes in the Philippines and/or in a "secret vault" at The Bank of Hawaii?
I'm not sure where the 2mil tonnes comes from, I never put a figure on anything. I am just arguing that the myth of the gold is based in fact.
Never heard of Bix Weir but have heard of Karen Hudes. She is way out there, but iirc she was at the World bank?
Anyway before these goalposts get moved too wide, I never said there were 200,000 pallets buried in caves in the Philippines. I said that he majority was shipped back to the Home Islands from the Mid 30's until 1943 (iirc). It was only when supply routes were blocked / and or hazardous that it was determined that hiding the loot in the Philippines was the smartest idea (as Japan expected to retain the islands through any peace treaty).
Loot was buried in large properly designed tunnels, with tram tracks, vehicles etc. All were booby trapped with things like cyanide in the backfill. It wasn't ramshackle and rough until the very end.
It was not put all in one places but all over the Philippine islands, from Luzon, to Baguio, Manilla.
These were located under churches, hospitals, army bases, theatres, hillsides. Even some vessels were stocked with loot and scuttled in Manilla Harbour to be recovered later (I think the Maru (?) recovery caused an international incident between the Philippines, Japan and the US.)
The court case in Hawaii is on the public record.
There is no gold in a secret vault in Hawaii. Instead the court initially awarded Rogelio Roxas $41 billion dollars in damages (largest civil suit in history - reversed/lowered on appeal); he was tortured, lost sight in an eye, beaten, jailed and had the Golden Buddha confiscated (it also had a removable head, filled with diamonds etc). I have forgotten how much the Buddha had been valued at. This is not some airy fairy myth, Roxas also testified before Philippine parliament and it was splashed through papers of the time. I believe he found the Buddha while legally digging at Manilla Hospital.
This is only a small piece of the puzzle, however it at least shows an element of truth to the story.
So do I really believe it as opposed to different gold commentators? Yes, as I have seen photographs of the people involved doing recoveries, court testimonies, waybills etc that circumstantially show that there was recovery of looted gold.
It is clearly accepted that the Nazi's looted gold and were helped by companies, banks and others in hiding and storing it, yet we are supposed to believe nothing of the sort happened in SE Asia?
Then we are supposed to believe Ferdinand Marcos amassed billions of dollars in wealth from his law business - (even though Imelda admitted in court it came from recovered loot)?
edit: the Japanese looting of SE Asia actually began in 1895 with the assassination of the Queen of Korea and the takeover of parts of Manchuria, so that is almost a half century of murder and looting.
also in reference to the chart, since China had been blocked off from the rest of the world for so many centuries, how are their gold holdings calculated - we can't even get an accurate figure in 2017?
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tabnloz
Sure, please do post whatever you find. And to be clear, I am not an expert on this matter, but I go with people whose work I trust, at least for now.
Here is a link showing total world gold holdings of about 170,000 tonnes, and about how Bix Weir and Karen Hudes are wrong about the 2,000,000 tonnes they claim re Yamashita's Gold:
https://srsroccoreport.com/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-massive-gold-supply-conspiracy/
Ahh..., 170,000 tonnes (world total holdings) is the accepted figure of all apparently reputable gold analysts who are in a better position than I am to know.
And from Steve's article, there is this graph, which is presumably true:
Where did the reputed "Yamashita's Gold" (2,000,000 tonnes) then come from? That would be over 10 times as much as the world has mined since 1493!
Let's do some more quick & dirty arithmetic. Let's say a pallet of gold bars (call it 1 cu mt) would weigh some 10 tonnes (metric tonnes, accounting for air and packaging). That would then make Yamashita's stash some 200,000 pallets. 200,000 pallets is a LOT of gold, and a LOT of weight & bulk.
Do you actually believe that there would be 200,000 pallets of gold tucked away in cave complexes in the Philippines and/or in a "secret vault" at The Bank of Hawaii?
Really?
200,000 pallets would be a little more than 300 * 300 * 2 pallets if all together (in one place, in a square, 2 pallets high). 300 pallets of 1 cu mt each is 300 METERS (if in a line).
300 meters * 300 meters square.
Really? Please tell me where it all is, and how it all got there.
tabnloz
Sure, please do post whatever you find. And to be clear, I am not an expert on this matter, but I go with people whose work I trust, at least for now.
Here is a link showing total world gold holdings of about 170,000 tonnes, and about how Bix Weir and Karen Hudes are wrong about the 2,000,000 tonnes they claim re Yamashita's Gold:
https://srsroccoreport.com/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-massive-gold-supply-conspiracy/
Ahh..., 170,000 tonnes (world total holdings) is the accepted figure of all apparently reputable gold analysts who are in a better position than I am to know.
And from Steve's article, there is this graph, which is presumably true:
Where did the reputed "Yamashita's Gold" (2,000,000 tonnes) then come from? That would be over 10 times as much as the world has mined since 1493!
Let's do some more quick & dirty arithmetic. Let's say a pallet of gold bars (call it 1 cu mt) would weigh some 10 tonnes (metric tonnes, accounting for air and packaging). That would then make Yamashita's stash some 200,000 pallets. 200,000 pallets is a LOT of gold, and a LOT of weight & bulk.
Do you actually believe that there would be 200,000 pallets of gold tucked away in cave complexes in the Philippines and/or in a "secret vault" at The Bank of Hawaii?
Really?
200,000 pallets would be a little more than 300 * 300 * 2 pallets if all together (in one place, in a square, 2 pallets high). 300 pallets of 1 cu mt each is 300 METERS (if in a line).
300 meters * 300 meters square.
Really? Please tell me where it all is, and how it all got there.
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lilit, m-t, tabnloz
Most of the analysts of gold in whom I have confidence say that Yamashita's [possible sic] Gold is just a fairy tale. I have no way of knowing, but SRSrocco wrote up a piece not long ago showing ENTIRE global production was not enough to account for the massive amounts of gold supposedly there (or now elsewhere). Sensible, logical FOFOA says that Bix Weir (etc.) are FOS on huge, hidden piles of gold.
One thing I learned long ago: if there is a big sexy secret, it doesn't stay secret long. The only exception to this was The Manhattan Project (atomic bomb) in the 1940s.
"Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
-- Mark Twain (?)
lilit, m-t, tabnloz
Most of the analysts of gold in whom I have confidence say that Yamashita's [possible sic] Gold is just a fairy tale. I have no way of knowing, but SRSrocco wrote up a piece not long ago showing ENTIRE global production was not enough to account for the massive amounts of gold supposedly there (or now elsewhere). Sensible, logical FOFOA says that Bix Weir (etc.) are FOS on huge, hidden piles of gold.
One thing I learned long ago: if there is a big sexy secret, it doesn't stay secret long. The only exception to this was The Manhattan Project (atomic bomb) in the 1940s.
"Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
-- Mark Twain (?)
I would counter and say there is very little doubt that it existed, in fact the only argument would be as to how much.
In this regard first take into account that the countries Japan pillaged in SE Asia traditionally kept gold, art & jewellery to hand down over generations. China was closed off from the world for hundreds of years. They did not have banking systems or fiat currency. The loot also included territorial artifacts kept by rulers / ruling class. The large majority of the wealth was shipped back to the Imperial Palace in Japan, but the rest was stored in 64 odd locations by the Japanese heirachy. They were known as Golden Lily sites, but this does not include individual sites by groups or people with access to the loot. Many Japanese returned to the Philippines post war, or in later years their offspring, to recover hidden loot. It was said that it would take over 100 years to find it all. Funnily enough though, the loot had little to do with Yamashita as he was merely the scapegoat for the rest of the Japanese royal family to escape punishment (although it was his driver that the OSS tortured to reveal the locations of some sites). Most of the burial was co0ordinated by Princes Takeda and Chichibu, with Takeda entrusting his remaining copies of Golden Lily wax maps to his young valet (incase his sub was sunk enroute back to Japan). The GL sites were all booby trapped and a genuine map was needed to decipher the traps.
I'll try and dig up the CD with all the documents on it and post some of them if anyone is interested.
I say there is little doubt because of documentary evidence (waybills, photos, "57's" certificates, copies of maps etc) that were included in the publication of one book on the topic, and the facts surrounding the case of Roxas v Marcos in the Hawaiian Supreme Court (where Roxas was initially awarded $41 billion - the Golden Buddha in dispute was located in Malacanang Palace after the overthrow of Marcos).
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lilit, m-t, tabnloz
Most of the analysts of gold in whom I have confidence say that Yamashita's [possible sic] Gold is just a fairy tale. I have no way of knowing, but SRSrocco wrote up a piece not long ago showing ENTIRE global production was not enough to account for the massive amounts of gold supposedly there (or now elsewhere). Sensible, logical FOFOA says that Bix Weir (etc.) are FOS on huge, hidden piles of gold.
One thing I learned long ago: if there is a big sexy secret, it doesn't stay secret long. The only exception to this was The Manhattan Project (atomic bomb) in the 1940s.
"Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
-- Mark Twain (?)
lilit, m-t, tabnloz
Most of the analysts of gold in whom I have confidence say that Yamashita's [possible sic] Gold is just a fairy tale. I have no way of knowing, but SRSrocco wrote up a piece not long ago showing ENTIRE global production was not enough to account for the massive amounts of gold supposedly there (or now elsewhere). Sensible, logical FOFOA says that Bix Weir (etc.) are FOS on huge, hidden piles of gold.
One thing I learned long ago: if there is a big sexy secret, it doesn't stay secret long. The only exception to this was The Manhattan Project (atomic bomb) in the 1940s.
"Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
-- Mark Twain (?)
"lies, dammed lies, and government statistics"
Suppose you are US Treasury Secretary in 1947. You are in possession of more
than three-quarters of the world's monetary gold, and answerable to no-one
for the actions you take. To this responsibility is added the plundered treasure
of Asia, but this is a State Secret. If this treasure were kept hidden away, no
additional problems would be created, but circumstances dictate that some of the
money must be used to finance covert operations. What to do? (see also [2] 7.43)
The immediate requirement is for two sets of books. This is a situation where
"hidden in plain sight will not work." Within limits, the practice of keeping
two sets of books is perfectly legal. Problems occur when State Secrets must
be kept secret. For example, lying under oath is immediately a criminal offence.
To forestall such problems, immunity from prosecution gets written into job descriptions.
Thus, in some circumstances, the exercise of Economic Totalitarianism can be
deduced from the text of treaties, though the wording would apply to both "black"
budgets and to the "dark" budgets, dark in the sense of "dark matter".
The result is somewhat like finding footprints in the snow, and then trying to
deduce the size of "The Creature," its source and its destination, and hence its
purpose.
Taking the Treasury's ESF as the Source, the next downstream nexus after the Fed
was the primary dealers, the West's major banks, who then have to run dark accounts,
and have to finance dark projects operated by US Government Departments. This
introduces a further level of complexity. The managers of this money have a
strategic advantage in the money markets. Through the information asymmetry inherent
in the dark network, the projects pursued can deliver higher profits, also any
loss-making activities can be moved from dark into black budgets. [1]
The result is a large and growing mechanism of finance, unaccountable to the
public institutions of government, and largely immunised against prosecution,
but ultimately struggling to find a reason for its existence.
So where might this Creature's "footprints" be found?
* Computer software : Managing this vast fortune, and providing a Management Information
System (MIS) is a bespoke requirement that cannot be made public. A far simpler route is
to copy or steal the requisite software, and to then conceal the facts than to purchase the
software and its support on the open market. Provided the source code can be secured,
the system can then be covertly modified to match, perhaps illicit, requirements.
* Company accounts : Legal provisions in Corporate accounts provide loopholes that allow
covert projects to be concealed, both financially and physically. [3]01:04:00
* Fraud : This is not the usual form of fraud. This is financial fraud planned, created
and executed by government actors, both for profit and to ruin competitors.
* Cover-ups : That giant sucking sound is the sound of Trillions being vaporized. Covering
that up is a non-trivial task.
* Paramilitary action : Untraceable wealth is vulnerable to theft. Recovery via legal
argument is thus problematic and counterproductive, hence the need for private military
forces.
I'm offering these thoughts on a What If? basis. My next tasks are to try to pull
some facts together, and to put flesh onto the skeleton. After that, who knows what
direction this will take. My immediate interest is to assess the impact of secret funds
on the US and other economies, to get a better view of how economies work, but this
already brings some big questions.
[1] Note also that money may have been moved from Nazi Germany to Western Banks 1941-1945
adding to the secrets that these banks already have.
[2] "What I have been afraid to blog about the ESF and its history - part 2" Eric Decarbonnel
[3] Catherine Austin Fitts at the Secret Space Program Conference 2014 San Mateo.
Suppose you are US Treasury Secretary in 1947. You are in possession of more
than three-quarters of the world's monetary gold, and answerable to no-one
for the actions you take. To this responsibility is added the plundered treasure
of Asia, but this is a State Secret. If this treasure were kept hidden away, no
additional problems would be created, but circumstances dictate that some of the
money must be used to finance covert operations. What to do? (see also [2] 7.43)
The immediate requirement is for two sets of books. This is a situation where
"hidden in plain sight will not work." Within limits, the practice of keeping
two sets of books is perfectly legal. Problems occur when State Secrets must
be kept secret. For example, lying under oath is immediately a criminal offence.
To forestall such problems, immunity from prosecution gets written into job descriptions.
Thus, in some circumstances, the exercise of Economic Totalitarianism can be
deduced from the text of treaties, though the wording would apply to both "black"
budgets and to the "dark" budgets, dark in the sense of "dark matter".
The result is somewhat like finding footprints in the snow, and then trying to
deduce the size of "The Creature," its source and its destination, and hence its
purpose.
Taking the Treasury's ESF as the Source, the next downstream nexus after the Fed
was the primary dealers, the West's major banks, who then have to run dark accounts,
and have to finance dark projects operated by US Government Departments. This
introduces a further level of complexity. The managers of this money have a
strategic advantage in the money markets. Through the information asymmetry inherent
in the dark network, the projects pursued can deliver higher profits, also any
loss-making activities can be moved from dark into black budgets. [1]
The result is a large and growing mechanism of finance, unaccountable to the
public institutions of government, and largely immunised against prosecution,
but ultimately struggling to find a reason for its existence.
So where might this Creature's "footprints" be found?
* Computer software : Managing this vast fortune, and providing a Management Information
System (MIS) is a bespoke requirement that cannot be made public. A far simpler route is
to copy or steal the requisite software, and to then conceal the facts than to purchase the
software and its support on the open market. Provided the source code can be secured,
the system can then be covertly modified to match, perhaps illicit, requirements.
* Company accounts : Legal provisions in Corporate accounts provide loopholes that allow
covert projects to be concealed, both financially and physically. [3]01:04:00
* Fraud : This is not the usual form of fraud. This is financial fraud planned, created
and executed by government actors, both for profit and to ruin competitors.
* Cover-ups : That giant sucking sound is the sound of Trillions being vaporized. Covering
that up is a non-trivial task.
* Paramilitary action : Untraceable wealth is vulnerable to theft. Recovery via legal
argument is thus problematic and counterproductive, hence the need for private military
forces.
I'm offering these thoughts on a What If? basis. My next tasks are to try to pull
some facts together, and to put flesh onto the skeleton. After that, who knows what
direction this will take. My immediate interest is to assess the impact of secret funds
on the US and other economies, to get a better view of how economies work, but this
already brings some big questions.
[1] Note also that money may have been moved from Nazi Germany to Western Banks 1941-1945
adding to the secrets that these banks already have.
[2] "What I have been afraid to blog about the ESF and its history - part 2" Eric Decarbonnel
[3] Catherine Austin Fitts at the Secret Space Program Conference 2014 San Mateo.
In 1947, and coincidentally with the discovery of the Japanese War Loot, and the
decision to keep the recovery of the wealth a US State Secret, the CIA emerged under the
directive of the US National Security Act. It soon had competition in the form of the
OPC (Office of Policy Coordination) - the two were merged in 1951.
Great posts MT.
This loot, known as The M Fund, Black Eagle Trust or Showa Trust was the combined looted wealth of SE Asia that couldn't be shipped back to Japan - as by 1944 (iirc) supply routes were blocked and the Japanese knew the war was lost. They did think, however, that they would retain the Philippines in a resulting treaty and so decided to bury the wealth in those islands, and smartly, buried underneath churches, hospitals, in deliberately torpedoed ships, and other places they believed the Allies wouldn't bomb. Usually dug out with POW labour, who were then entombed in the booby trapped structures.
Long story short, the massive amounts of gold, jewels, art and valuables recovered were used to finance the fight against communism & other political movements deemed undesirable. Billions of dollars worth back then. But the US didn't get it all. Ferdinand Marcos, redundant CIA assets, retired Japanese soldiers, treasure hunters & other shadowy military organisations also found some of the 60 odd Golden Lily sites.
One amateur treasure hunter (Rogelio Roxas) discovered loot underneath a hospital and was tortured, jailed and nearly killed by Marcos. After they were overthrown, his family sued in Hawaiian Supreme court and were initially awarded a $41 billion dollar payout. Yes, billion.
This loot, and control of it, ties together the geopolitics of the last century. Nixon's landmark visit to China. Marcos' massive wealth. The lack of repercussions for the Japanese Royalty, military and corporations. Carter disbanding CIA assets & the emergence of shadowy military groups.
edit: black eagle trust may have been Nazi war loot. unsure, will have to look it up.
In 1947, and coincidentally with the discovery of the Japanese War Loot, and the
decision to keep the recovery of the wealth a US State Secret, the CIA emerged under the
directive of the US National Security Act. It soon had competition in the form of the
OPC (Office of Policy Coordination) - the two were merged in 1951.
Great posts MT.
This loot, known as The M Fund, Black Eagle Trust or Showa Trust was the combined looted wealth of SE Asia that couldn't be shipped back to Japan - as by 1944 (iirc) supply routes were blocked and the Japanese knew the war was lost. They did think, however, that they would retain the Philippines in a resulting treaty and so decided to bury the wealth in those islands, and smartly, buried underneath churches, hospitals, in deliberately torpedoed ships, and other places they believed the Allies wouldn't bomb. Usually dug out with POW labour, who were then entombed in the booby trapped structures.
Long story short, the massive amounts of gold, jewels, art and valuables recovered were used to finance the fight against communism & other political movements deemed undesirable. Billions of dollars worth back then. But the US didn't get it all. Ferdinand Marcos, redundant CIA assets, retired Japanese soldiers, treasure hunters & other shadowy military organisations also found some of the 60 odd Golden Lily sites.
One amateur treasure hunter (Rogelio Roxas) discovered loot underneath a hospital and was tortured, jailed and nearly killed by Marcos. After they were overthrown, his family sued in Hawaiian Supreme court and were initially awarded a $41 billion dollar payout. Yes, billion.
This loot, and control of it, ties together the geopolitics of the last century. Nixon's landmark visit to China. Marcos' massive wealth. The lack of repercussions for the Japanese Royalty, military and corporations. Carter disbanding CIA assets & the emergence of shadowy military groups.
edit: black eagle trust may have been Nazi war loot. unsure, will have to look it up.
It is the militant ideology of Western economic totalitarianism that has paved the way for all the militant neo-ideologiques rantings. The end of the era of capitalism of State and his ideas was the opportunity to silence any critical theory. It took more that the contradictions of the capitalist logic should be singled out.
Lewis Mumford makes good points about economic totalitarianism.
Peasants who lived during the dark ages having 189 holidays/days off per year is a point historians and experts too often omit in comparing the past to the present.
Peasants who lived during the dark ages having 189 holidays/days off per year is a point historians and experts too often omit in comparing the past to the present.
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Even in backward mining communities, as late as the sixteenth century more than half the recorded days were holidays; while for Europe as a whole, the total number of holidays, including Sunday, came to 189, a number even greater than those enjoyed by Imperial Rome. The idea that there should be no limits upon any human function is absurd: all life exists within very narrow limits of temperature, air, water or food; and the notion that money alone, or power to command the services of other men, should be free of such definite limits is an aberration of mind.
TECHNICS AND HUMAN DEVELOPMENT, Lewis Mumford, 1967
TECHNICS AND HUMAN DEVELOPMENT, Lewis Mumford, 1967
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