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October 09, 2015, 07:28:06 AM
To those who have given me good advice in this thread, I ask you if someone offered me a significant amount of money for my designs, such that I could pay off my angel investors, have sufficient funding to go take care of my health (e.g. seek proper diagnostics such as PCR test for chlamydophila pneumoniae to justify the antibiotic treatment), and have enough savings to be able to pay Philippines-level expenses for up to a couple of years until I could work again (maybe even for them?) once health stabilized, do you think I should take the deal if I felt they were sincere developers capable of finishing my project??

Yes if not only capable but also committed to doing so. That is a judgement call for you to make.

Maybe ask for a small stash of coins or other contingent upside as part of the deal (you can't ask for a lot if you are being paid out a significant amount of cash at this stage of development).

From what you report about your wildly fluctuating health there is a far greater likelihood that you don't finish it if you proceed with your current plan of doing it yourself. And also that your health spirals sharply downward without proper diagnosis and treatment, which would be a tragedy independent of the coin project if it can be avoided.


TPTB_need_war, interesting you should suggest the above as I was thinking something very similar myself. Though I hadn't anticipated that you would have considered as long as "a couple of years" being needed to sort your health out if given treatment that works. I recall you planning to go to Australia a while back (until your symptoms backed off) to obtain a fecal implant; is that still a treatment you think beneficial (I'm afraid I haven't been able to follow every update)?

To me, regardless of the coin project, giving yourself the best chance of sorting your health out is paramount. As smooth says, your illness now appears likely to greatly interfere with finishing the project if attempted single-handed. I definitely felt that in the last few days.

After all the work you have already put into the project it would be extremely depressing if it couldn't reach fruition. That's obviously both for you and the rest of us who believe in its potential key role in the future of our financial lives with the unfolding crisis. Ultimately your call in the end, but if you trust the sincerity of the developers you mention then I would attempt to negotiate a fair deal with them to justly compensate you - both for right now, and perhaps a percentage in future if it fulfils an agreed level of success.

Just my two-penneth.

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October 09, 2015, 06:15:04 AM
To those who have given me good advice in this thread, I ask you if someone offered me a significant amount of money for my designs, such that I could pay off my angel investors, have sufficient funding to go take care of my health (e.g. seek proper diagnostics such as PCR test for chlamydophila pneumoniae to justify the antibiotic treatment), and have enough savings to be able to pay Philippines-level expenses for up to a couple of years until I could work again (maybe even for them?) once health stabilized, do you think I should take the deal if I felt they were sincere developers capable of finishing my project??

Yes if not only capable but also committed to doing so. That is a judgement call for you to make.

Maybe ask for a small stash of coins or other contingent upside as part of the deal (you can't ask for a lot if you are being paid out a significant amount of cash at this stage of development).

From what you report about your wildly fluctuating health there is a far greater likelihood that you don't finish it if you proceed with your current plan of doing it yourself. And also that your health spirals sharply downward without proper diagnosis and treatment, which would be a tragedy independent of the coin project if it can be avoided.
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Facts are more efficient than fud
October 09, 2015, 02:55:49 AM
For Those Who Still Doubt 9/11 Wasn't a Demolition

Edit: I've added this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Q5eZhCPuc

If you have at least watched that one linked video above, you now understand without any doubt that 9/11 was an inside demolition. Any one who denies it after watching that video is simply insane.

So now if you want to know who did 9/11, here is that information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw4UDcmOqp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkOqjeL_dRc


generalizethis has a lot of explaining to do. (perhaps smooth will again join him hiding under that rock of shame)


I hope readers are in shock. If I tell you I have done research, next time you will not tell me I am a false prophet.

Edit: listen to the first new video and you will understand what is going on in the Middle East.

What do i have to explain? You made a claim about the Denver Airport and I refuted it. I believe Nick Land and Kurzweil are the prophets of the new age. You're just peddling conspiracy theories, and like most conspiracy peddlers, you're quick to list the few details you got right as proof that all of them are true. You're like a bling man throwing paint at the wall and claiming to be Jackson Pollock. I guess some sycophants will pay you the honor you think you deserve, but that's a very threadbare closet for a king's chamber.
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October 09, 2015, 12:20:09 AM
For Those Who Still Doubt 9/11 Wasn't a Demolition

Edit: I've added this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Q5eZhCPuc

If you have at least watched that one linked video above, you now understand without any doubt that 9/11 was an inside demolition. Any one who denies it after watching that video is simply insane.

So now if you want to know who did 9/11, here is that information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw4UDcmOqp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkOqjeL_dRc


generalizethis has a lot of explaining to do. (perhaps smooth will again join him hiding under that rock of shame)


I hope readers are in shock. If I tell you I have done research, next time you will not tell me I am a false prophet.

This story always intrigued me re: building 7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeY2vJ6ZoA
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October 09, 2015, 12:15:22 AM
For Those Who Still Doubt 9/11 Wasn't a Demolition

Edit: I've added this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Q5eZhCPuc

If you have at least watched that one linked video above, you now understand without any doubt that 9/11 was an inside demolition. Any one who denies it after watching that video is simply insane.

So now if you want to know who did 9/11, here is that information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw4UDcmOqp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkOqjeL_dRc


generalizethis has a lot of explaining to do. (perhaps smooth will again join him hiding under that rock of shame)


I hope readers are in shock. If I tell you I have done research, next time you will not tell me I am a false prophet.

Edit: listen to the first new video and you will understand what is going on in the Middle East.
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October 08, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
If your health is preventing you from completing your work and reaping the rewards, and it would enable you to take care of your health while someone sincere and capable develops your project I don't think that would be a bad idea.

It also depends if you think their offer is fair compensation for the time you have spent on it over the past few years.

It would also be a shame to see the project bought out and abandoned sabotaged if they are dishonest, and you are prevented from taking over again.
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October 08, 2015, 10:14:05 PM
Reposting this to add a message to top saying I added one video link below and also to inform my angel investors I will be back on Bitmessage probably within 24 hours and apologies for such a long down time due to desperate focus on health past couple of weeks or so. (for those that don't know, I don't communicate on Bitmessage from the location where I live and it isn't for anonymity reasons but just that my ISP here blocks the Bitmessage ports)


To those who have given me good advice in this thread, I ask you if someone offered me a significant amount of money for my designs, such that I could pay off my angel investors, have sufficient funding to go take care of my health (e.g. seek proper diagnostics such as PCR test for chlamydophila pneumoniae to justify the antibiotic treatment), and have enough savings to be able to pay Philippines-level expenses for up to a couple of years until I could work again (maybe even for them?) once health stabilized, do you think I should take the deal if I felt they were sincere developers capable of finishing my project?? (other advantage being it might also remove me from the forum which is probably a positive outcome, to let new grass grow)

I am also interested in hearing what sincere people think about the evidence below about 9/11? I found it very convincing in total, but not if not all of the videos are watched. It got buried in the Armstrong discussion and I wanted to extract it out orthogonal to the Armstrong arguments. (The Armstrong stuff is incidental, I didn't feel like editing the post as I copied from a discussion in the Armstrong thread)

Note I added one important video below over what I had in the Armstrong thread.




For Those Who Still Doubt 9/11 Wasn't a Demolition

The real reason Armstrong was thrown in jail without a public trial.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/tag/relationship-banking

Quote from: Armstrong
Back in 1999, I stood up in court and objected Alan Cohen’s demands for my lawyers to turn over tapes of conversations I recorded to protect me as a journalist when I was writing about the various bank manipulations. I told Judge Richard Owen that those tapes revealed criminal activity by the major banks in market manipulations across the board, ..., and had nothing to do with my case.

Judge Owen told my lawyers to turn over all the tapes or they would be thrown in prison and held in contempt. That action under the law was totally illegal for it was an OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE that would land anyone else in prison for 5 years. Instead, Goldman Sachs hired Alan Cohen, awarding him a position on the board while remaining court officer still running Princeton Economics. Cohen never resigned, despite the obvious conflict of interest. I NEVER received any support from anyone in the press for what I was defending. They understood that since the media is on their side they can get away with anything.

Now four of the banks: JPMorgan Chase, Barclays, Citigroup, and RBS have agreed to plead guilty to U.S. criminal charges with fines reaching $5.7 billion. The U.S. Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, said that “almost every day” these firms were manipulating currency rates since 2007 to clip clients on transactions all the time.




http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/research/rule-of-law/goldman-sachs-v-armstrong

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Our computers and all the evidence in our case, including the evidence gathered documenting more than a decade of organized manipulations were amazingly destroyed in the only building that was never hit by anything nor was there any major fire. This in itself has led to countless suspicions about what really went on behind the collapse of the SEC offices in World Trade Center 7. Here is a video on this strange set of circumstances plus a letter from the SEC claiming all evidence in my case was destroyed, which many believe was a convenient way to protect the New York Investment Bankers.




World Trade Center 7 (WTC7) was demolished. This is fact. Reviewing the following will explain this fact.

No steel building has every collapsed on its footprint from fire. It is simply physically impossible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T2_nedORjw

Fire marshall who was on the scene explains it was demolition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws

The BBC was told in advance that WTC7 would fall and they accidentally reported it too soon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0qdLoobkUI

The networks repeatedly cut off the news reporter who was on the scene when ever she was asked about the error:
https://youtu.be/yEj-kXPfb_g?t=69

In 2001, Silverstein reworked the insurance for the WTCs to include destruction by terrorism, he won $7 billion insurance payment on his original $15 million investment:
(also watch this video for additional damning facts)
https://youtu.be/BWZELJA_fSU?t=181

The AE911Truth chief engineer spokesman astutely explains the science of why the buildings were demolished:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAGRuRKudO4

Watch him totally own a debunker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKFiGfW6aGY

Edit: I've added this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Q5eZhCPuc




http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/21279

Quote from: Armstrong
All the evidence I had gathered that included documentation and phone recordings with brokers who also were monitoring these manipulations were seized by the now Chief of Global Compliance at Goldman Sachs and Tancred Schiavoni. The court put Cohen in charge of Princeton Economics. All that evidence vanished or I would be putting on the Web those audio tapes for the world to hear. Below is a transcript of the court proceeding where I objected about the seizure of this evidence I knew would miraculously vanish.




http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/11429

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What I can say is I had personal conversations with Bill and he knew about the Buffett silver manipulation back in 1993 and how the CFTC walked into to PhiBro demanding they reveal their client. PhiBro refused and the CFTC told them to exit the trade. For him to have known that meant he had some real sources.

I confess, I am not aware of what they have said about manipulations since. I, and many others in the industry, kept track of all the manipulations for they covered everything from Rhodium to US Government Bond auctions just like the LIBOR scandal. I have explained that manipulations were common in the commodity industry during the 1970s. I saw those skills migrate to Wall Street only AFTER the big commodity house PhiBro put in a bid for Salomon Brothers. Then Goldman Sachs bought J. Aaron in the mid 1980s. From there the game expanded and by 1991, Salomon got caught manipulating the Federal Government Bond auctions. Talk about guts. This scandal was then documented in the 1993 book Nightmare on Wall Street.

I was one of the largest traders. So I kept track of what was going on just to make sure I did not get caught up it the nonsense. They tried persistently to get to to join the manipulation crowd. I could trade so (1) I didn’t need that, and (2) how do you know when you are the patsy? I saw Salomon use analysts to say the bonds were rising and they were selling using other brokers on the floor. They take no prisoners.

There was the  Robert Maxwell (1923–1991) scandal that he had stolen hundreds of millions of pounds from his own companies’ pension funds to save the companies from bankruptcy. However, behind the scenes there may have been trading losses with the club. Eventually, the pension funds were replenished with monies from investment banks Shearson Lehman and Goldman Sachs, as well as the British government. Maxwell was presumed to have fallen overboard from his luxury yacht off the Canary Islands, and his body was subsequently found floating in the Atlantic Ocean. He was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem with great official participation. The official ruling was death by accidental drowning.

On the second Silver Manipulation PhiBro brokers walked across the floor and showed me the Buffett orders to buy desperately trying to get me to join. They did not like it when I published “they’re back” giving the price target of $7 which was met on schedule. The silver bugs hated my guts then as well because they wanted so much to believe it was real. They have these people wound around their finger knowing that if they just make the metals rise, these people will always buy the high believing this time it is different an the price will truly soar. They need these believers so they can sell the high as always and then the fake analysts say the decline is not real, its just a manipulation to force it down (assuming the rise was real of course), so just keep buying. It works EVERY time!. When I say they are at it again, I get the hate mail because these people cannot wait to hand the bankers their money every time.

For the whole Long-Term Capital Management collapse and Russia, they tried to get me involved. I was invited to the IMF dinner just to impress me that they had the IMF in the palm of their hand just like they have the US government today. I refused to get involved, yet they knew I knew everything. When Russia collapsed in 1998, they blamed me saying I had more influence than all the politicians they could buy. They do not believe in real markets – only rigging the game. That is why they do not consider risk when you bribe everything you do not even consider what if you are wrong. That is why they ALWAYS need bailouts.

The strange thing is when my case began I believed it was really about the fact I refused to play ball with the New York boys since the contracts were clear – we bought the portfolios outright and were NOT managing their money. An idiot could just read the contracts and the accounts were ours – not client’s with a limited power of attorney. I had documented EVERY manipulation with hard evidence and taped EVERY phone call as insurance. So when they started the case and removed press that knew the truth, I understood the game was afoot. I believe they were illegally tapping my lawyers for somehow they found out I had split up that evidence and gave it to two law firms for safekeeping. They went after my lawyers threatening to throw them in jail unless they turnover that evidence. The lawyer pressing for it that day was Martin Glen who I believe was rewarded with a Judgeship and coincidentally is the presiding judge over M.F. Global who protected once again the NY banks. The receiver Alan Cohen I believe was rewarded by giving him a board position in Goldman Sachs. I guess another coincidence. The SEC head of enforcement was Andrew Geist. who selected the law firm O’Melveny & Myers to get all this evidence and then resigned from the SEC and became a partner in that very law firm – coincidence once again of course. The CFTC prosecutor Dennis O’Kkeefe was disbarred for misconduct in the other case at that time charging Sumitomo for manipulating copper not mentioning at all the NY boys or how Sumitomo was trying to defend its positions rather than “manipulate” absorbing the short sales of the NY boys so I believe they had the CFTC taken Sumitomo out of the game making them a fortune..
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October 08, 2015, 06:41:51 PM
Apart from the ranting comments I've been reading (for about an hour now - gosh! You doods type TOO much!) from TPTB_need_war & generalizethis and vice versa there's a pretty good conversation here regarding the semantics one sees in his life. I pose the question then. Is there a chance that you're both right?

I mean look at it rationally, not by the optics of whose opinion is better. Just the essence of it. Here, let me help you a bit:



@AmericanPegasus: always a joy to my eyes reading your comments.  Smiley

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October 08, 2015, 06:37:46 PM
Maintaining a non-aggression principle is a luxury afforded by stable society and government.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a member of a jungle tribe 5,000 years ago.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle on the border of Germany in the late 1930's.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a pleb thug takes your life from you.

We were talking about forcing others to do something against their choice. We were not talking about self-defense.

When will the ontological failures in reading comprehension stop?

When I write about the weather only. The weather is might fine don't you think?
 
  
Sorry, I'm a pretty unreliable intelligence.  I say 99 stupid things, and then say 1 insightful and revolutionary one.  So forgive me 99% of the time.  
  
I agree that we should not force "nodes" (humans) into the future singular consciousness.  I think that many future minded individuals will end up accepting it willingly as it will be the path to immortality.  Those who want to live a natural life, free from the global "hive-mind" and die a natural death should be permitted to do this.  They may not get to take part in the big decisions and projects, but they can live the life they want as long as they don't try to disturb others.  
  
The real ethical question is that of the matrix: in a world where humanity has been surpassed in every way by AI, and where you ethically (as the AI overlord/hive-mind) have decided not to interrupt their existence, how do you allow humans to live a natural life while also making allowances for those who desire to advance to the next state of being?  If technology has progressed to the point where artificial reality is identical in every way to the actual reality those 'natural' humans would live in, and indeed is preferable, is it moral to let humans be born into a 'matrix' and live out their entire lives there not even knowing the truth?  It would seem this would benefit both society, the ruling class, and the individual human (who gets to live in advantageous conditions better than the real world) but still it smacks as immoral to a certain part of us.  
  
Take away the concessions necessary to create a compelling plot in the Matrix; were the humans naive fools?  Wouldn't the Matrix have been the best choice for the majority of them, so long as the AI allowed sufficient opportunity for any given human to educate themselves to the point where they were ready to leave?  Perhaps this is what the "truce" at the end hinted at after all.

You will have a choice to choose, choose wisely.
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October 08, 2015, 06:01:49 PM
I think it's the rise and fall of islamic empires, I found it interesting how it is rising as the west declines 2016 - 2021

You caused me to realize that "empires" is the key word, and not economy. The (confidence in the) empire of Islam is increasing, not necessarily the economy of Islamic peoples or nations. The implication is it would rise with the War Cycle if not corresponding to an economic gain, because in this case increasing Islamic empire requires some conquering of the Western empire for the gain.
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October 08, 2015, 03:08:07 PM
I think it's the rise and fall of islamic empires, I found it interesting how it is rising as the west declines 2016 - 2021

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/tag/islam

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October 08, 2015, 03:00:26 PM
It's getting interesting, doesn't look like it's going to slow down now.



Will the west get sucked into an un-winnable war trying to fight off spot fires all over the world, while also being swamped/overrun and fucked sideways by the effects of socialism and civil wars.. ?

I'm curious about this graph. Why does 2015.75 not appear on it?

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October 08, 2015, 09:37:29 AM

Sometimes bad things happen to good people, and certainly that's the case with regards to your situation.

I really hope your health issues will be resolved, and I believe it will be. This community need your knowledge and intellect, I hope it gives you strength in solving out the health problems.

Take care and speak soon.
 
  
I hope everyone reading this today survives long enough to participate in the coming immortality.  It might not be here until the 2030's or 2040's, so try to hang on a little longer.  Do whatever you have to do to keep your biological body healthy and alive: for the time being *that* is your hard drive.  If it fails, there's no backup of you.  
  
If you are wealthy (or at least have a few hundred thousand dollars) and don't think you have much time left, consider looking into an organization I have worked with in the past: Alcor.org which does cryo-preservations on humans (and who is currently preserving the frozen body of Hal Finney).  
  
I promise that as soon as the technology is financially feasible, if I am still around (in my 30's and have a solid chance at shooting the "immortality gap") I will ensure that all humans that can be brought back, will be brought back.
  


Keep digging. Watch carefully the agenda at hand.
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October 08, 2015, 07:56:20 AM
Apart from the ranting comments I've been reading (for about an hour now - gosh! You doods type TOO much!) from TPTB_need_war & generalizethis and vice versa there's a pretty good conversation here regarding the semantics one sees in his life. I pose the question then. Is there a chance that you're both right?

I mean look at it rationally, not by the optics of whose opinion is better. Just the essence of it. Here, let me help you a bit:



@AmericanPegasus: always a joy to my eyes reading your comments.  Smiley
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October 08, 2015, 07:07:40 AM

Sometimes bad things happen to good people, and certainly that's the case with regards to your situation.

I really hope your health issues will be resolved, and I believe it will be. This community need your knowledge and intellect, I hope it gives you strength in solving out the health problems.

Take care and speak soon.
 
  
I hope everyone reading this today survives long enough to participate in the coming immortality.  It might not be here until the 2030's or 2040's, so try to hang on a little longer.  Do whatever you have to do to keep your biological body healthy and alive: for the time being *that* is your hard drive.  If it fails, there's no backup of you.  
  
If you are wealthy (or at least have a few hundred thousand dollars) and don't think you have much time left, consider looking into an organization I have worked with in the past: Alcor.org which does cryo-preservations on humans (and who is currently preserving the frozen body of Hal Finney).  
  
I promise that as soon as the technology is financially feasible, if I am still around (in my 30's and have a solid chance at shooting the "immortality gap") I will ensure that all humans that can be brought back, will be brought back.
  
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October 08, 2015, 06:46:05 AM

Sometimes bad things happen to good people, and certainly that's the case with regards to your situation.

I really hope your health issues will be resolved, and I believe it will be. This community need your knowledge and intellect, I hope it gives you strength in solving out the health problems.

Take care and speak soon.
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October 08, 2015, 06:28:41 AM
Maintaining a non-aggression principle is a luxury afforded by stable society and government.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a member of a jungle tribe 5,000 years ago.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle on the border of Germany in the late 1930's.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a pleb thug takes your life from you.

We were talking about forcing others to do something against their choice. We were not talking about self-defense.

When will the ontological failures in reading comprehension stop?

When I write about the weather only. The weather is might fine don't you think?
 
  
Sorry, I'm a pretty unreliable intelligence.  I say 99 stupid things, and then say 1 insightful and revolutionary one.  So forgive me 99% of the time.  
  
I agree that we should not force "nodes" (humans) into the future singular consciousness.  I think that many future minded individuals will end up accepting it willingly as it will be the path to immortality.  Those who want to live a natural life, free from the global "hive-mind" and die a natural death should be permitted to do this.  They may not get to take part in the big decisions and projects, but they can live the life they want as long as they don't try to disturb others.  
  
The real ethical question is that of the matrix: in a world where humanity has been surpassed in every way by AI, and where you ethically (as the AI overlord/hive-mind) have decided not to interrupt their existence, how do you allow humans to live a natural life while also making allowances for those who desire to advance to the next state of being?  If technology has progressed to the point where artificial reality is identical in every way to the actual reality those 'natural' humans would live in, and indeed is preferable, is it moral to let humans be born into a 'matrix' and live out their entire lives there not even knowing the truth?  It would seem this would benefit both society, the ruling class, and the individual human (who gets to live in advantageous conditions better than the real world) but still it smacks as immoral to a certain part of us.  
  
Take away the concessions necessary to create a compelling plot in the Matrix; were the humans naive fools?  Wouldn't the Matrix have been the best choice for the majority of them, so long as the AI allowed sufficient opportunity for any given human to educate themselves to the point where they were ready to leave?  Perhaps this is what the "truce" at the end hinted at after all.
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October 08, 2015, 06:09:40 AM
Maintaining a non-aggression principle is a luxury afforded by stable society and government.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a member of a jungle tribe 5,000 years ago.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle on the border of Germany in the late 1930's.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a pleb thug takes your life from you.

We were talking about forcing others to do something against their choice. We were not talking about self-defense.

When will the ontological failures in reading comprehension stop?

When I write about the weather only. The weather is might fine don't you think?
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October 08, 2015, 03:34:51 AM
But the key point you are missing is that people are not necessarily "confused" about fairness as you wrote above, nor are they even necessarily being "raped" by the system...

In a relativistic system that is our Universe, objectivity is relative to the perspective of the beholder.

From my perspective, they are confused and being raped. From their perspective, they are not.

The non-aggression principle of choice means I don't need them to wrong in order for me to correct. They may not be able to adhere to the same principle since they need to extract some of my productivity to fund their morass.

Maintaining a non-aggression principle is a luxury afforded by stable society and government.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a member of a jungle tribe 5,000 years ago.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle on the border of Germany in the late 1930's.  Try maintaining a non-aggression principle as a pleb thug takes your life from you.  
  
Try to maintain non-aggression principles in the game of http://agar.io or poker.  You may have a brilliant end game in mind - a cooperative endeavor that allows the players to become something vastly more significant than they could hope to achieve while in-fighting... but if you're not the biggest fish you'll never get a chance to implement it.  
  
All intelligence should be afforded a chance at cooperation, peace, and productivity.  If an intelligence chooses to be a non-participant in society (yet cause no damage) it is immoral to exterminate them or prevent them from experiencing a basic existence: indeed they may yet produce value down the line and you always have to consider that perhaps you are wrong about their value.  But, if an intelligence chooses to destroy and damage its surroundings (especially a demonstrably less complex intelligence) then it must be stopped with minimal effective force.  
  
Where one human may be happy to live his/her life in an artificial reality wonderland, exploring the depths of knowledge and creativity, another believes that it is their 'purpose' to destroy the first.  The "why" isn't important (cells in the body, and humans by extension, go awry all the time).  If possible we should strive to educate and prevent the latter from disrupting productive society... but if all else fails, the productive member of society must be preserved above the destructive one at all costs.  
  
Chaos and entropy on a grand cosmic scale already appear to be an inevitability.  Those who seek to hasten this are of no value to sentience.  Remember, the universe is a living thing, and we are that thing.  Anything which seeks to return the universe to non-sentience is literally a cancerous threat and must be stopped.  
  
It took us a long time to grow to a 'network' of humans 7 billion strong.  Population is a good thing as long as they are properly supported; we're working on that part with cryptocurrency and global commerce.  I hope to see 25 billion humans, all living happy and productive lives, in coming decades.  But things like violent crime, terrorism, nuclear war, collapse of the food chain, and cosmic disasters are threats which must not be allowed to happen, lest we do massive/irreparable damage to our fledgling global consciousness.  We are excruciatingly close to the vertical part of our exponential progress curve, and it must not be interrupted by petty and base problems.  
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October 08, 2015, 03:31:40 AM
At least acknowledge it.

I have not denied it. Even mentioned it numerous times myself.

The weather is dandy isn't it. I'm watching paint dry. Mary jane came over to bring me some fig juice and fried rabbit's toes. How is your gall bladder doing?
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