Topic: Eligius miners aware of prayers in block headers? - page 4. (Read 29692 times)

I don't think anyone's tried to claim that God exists yet or that God doesn't exist (apart from in the pedophile blockchain comment).  All I've heard is that some people believe that God exists and some people don't.  There seems to be a natural truce to be had here.

The one thing that puzzles me is why some think that prayers are more appropriate material for inclusion in the block chain than, say, pornography.
Trying my level best not to be biased, I believe christian writings and regular pornography should be treated on par with one another in this reguard.  Both information classes are very well-know, loved by many, and highly offensive to many others.  Is there some significant logical distinction I'm missing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

Why would anyone even try? If anything, the onus is on you to prove the opposite.

So stop feeding me. 

Feeding the same troll hundreds of times is usually not a sign of bright intelligence

Neither did I.

First, I'm a Christian, NOT Catholic. Luke is wrong. Jesus never said anything about forcing the issue.

Not in the old testmament:
Joshua 24:15 -  And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;

Or the New Testament:
John 15:16 - You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you....

That latter verse is the answer to your thought about being born outside of Christian society.

I invite you to try to prove with logic that there is no God. PM me, we can start a debate. I've been through such discussions a hundred times. Its always the same, they leave their logical fails like hanging fastballs over the plate, they get lit up. Then they get mad, pretend they won, and leave with the ball.

FWIW - I've moved my modest miners off eligius.
I loved the tribute to Len Sassaman in the chain - but in contrast I find it a pretty sad commentary on humanity that superstition persists and rears it's brainless head even in these high tech corners.

What a powerful meme religion is though..  like a rapist wielding rohypnol - it opportunistically and crudely inserts it's seed into any innocent space it can find.. such is it's incessant will to spread.

Not that our blockchain was quite virginal - but how sullied it is now!  

This post was a waste of me time.  I want my 2 seconds back.

This thread is a waste of time. I want my 2 minutes back.

Dont you think calling him a nutjob and a terrorist might be going a little bit too far? 

I think the issue that leaped from the OP is more in line with your catholic agenda rather than the prayer messages now.

You do seem rather militant with the rather rediculous approaches to non-catholics as stated in the logs posted.

I assure you the overall neutral approach to people(like you) acting out about their specific allmighty religion would not be seen/handled/acceptable to the vast majority of people if it were not christian orientated but rather muslim in this case and not to mention be called a terrorist.

The thread just opened up yet again how all religions have their militant religious nutjob terrorist inside.

It seems too many people might be taking this thread too seriously (although Eligius actually had a surge of miners join not long after it was posted...), so I'm "forced" to respond. In short, there is no technical problem with the prayers, and they do not involve Eligius miners any differently than solo miners-- the only reason I can speculate Graet posted this (since he won't give a rational reason) is to grab more miners to his pool or some kind of subtle anti-Catholic agenda (he denies both).

Yeah right. Nevermind the fact that it was actually started with political propaganda in the Genesys block by Satoshi himself, setting a clear and undeniable precedent.

Anyone who can think knows this is at the very least neutral, and at best positive.

Coinbases and transaction spam are two entirely different things. Transaction spam serves no purpose, destroys coins, and can never be purged from the block chain. Coinbases can contain text messages by design, and can be purged immediately from your block chain.

Miners do not participate at Eligius any more than they do at other pools or solo mining. Miners hash the prayers indirectly through multiple layers of SHA256 whether they are mining on Eligius or not. Furthermore, I have not been at all secretive about either the Catholic theme of St. Eligius, nor the fact that I have been including prayers rather than pure random data in the coinbase.

Graet is quick to deflect his "argument" to real block chain spam, and claim I am at fault for that. However, it doesn't take much thinking to realize this is the same as arguing that a rape victim is responsible for being raped. "Oh, you were putting prayers, so you're at fault for a troll really spamming the block chain with slander." "Oh, you were acting so good, so you're at fault for a rapist wanting to take away your innocence." This blame-the-victim attitude is IMO disgusting.

It's supposed to be random enough that miners aren't working on the same hashes. In practice, this only requires a few bytes of unique data, which Eligius guarantees by putting the usual extranonce at the start of the coinbase (the prayers are at the end, after the extranonce + "Eligius"). As noted, Satoshi himself endorsed putting text content in the coinbase with the Genesys block, so it would be silly to argue it creates any real problems.

St. Eligius actually is also the patron saint of miners, coin collectors,  and minters. Great, that you are Catholic, but I would recommend studying your religion a bit more-- especially the Syllabus of Errors condemned by Pope Pius IX, and the dogma of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ("Outside the Church there is no salvation").

That's true of course, but in this instance I was referring to the religious fanatics that could very well be elected in the near future:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/dominionism-a-dangerous-christian-movement-with-an-influence-on-michelle-bachmann-and-rick-perry/2011/08/15/gIQAydn5GJ_blog.html

Bachman and Perry aren't atheists that put on a religious facade in order to be able to run. These people are the Al-Qaeda of Christianity.

Religion affects the presidency because not declaring a faith during an election is political suicide in current american society.
It also makes a candidate lose significant votes from family-centric, conservative and religious communities.

Even if you don't believe in anything, you *have* to declare a faith in the US political system if you want to get elected into any significant office.
There are just about zero self-professed atheists or agnostics in any elected government post for this reason.

http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html

I wish it was that easy, but I'm afraid it's not. Religion affects us whether we want it or not (just look at the US presidency). It needs to be actively worked against if the human race is ever going to have any kind of positive future.

luke is a better troll than all of you

That is an invalid bitcoin address, it is longer than 34 characters, and includes non-base58 characters "0" and "l"

static const char* pszBase58 = "123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz";

While functional vanity addresses can be generated, it becomes computationally infeasable to generate more than a seven or eight letter vanity phrase. If you don't care about being able to receive or re-send the bitcoins, a longer valid address can be created without a matching private key with address format "1" + 18-28 valid base 58 characters + checksum.

Eligius removed from my list of pools.

Interesting. Your religious mumbo jumbo is just as valuable to me as Viagra ads. It is, for all intents and purposes, spam.

I'd be pissed if my hashing power would've been used for this without notifying me.