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jr. member
Activity: 171
Merit: 1
September 20, 2018, 05:39:48 PM
One thing that wasn't mentioned is that some existing merit sources seem to have gotten a source size increase as well, so there should be much more merit flowing.

merit should be flowing but...... I feel older more established accounts still wont give merit where merit is due. That being said I only post to new alt. coins topic post to learn about the projects. Chances are i will never receive merit.

I believe these rules are great to a point limiting amount of posts per week would be better than taking away signature bounties from newbies
legendary
Activity: 3892
Merit: 11105
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
September 20, 2018, 05:04:29 PM
How about the cancellation of Merit, which were accrued upon its introduction?


total 61 merits. not a very good prospect, right? Wink

I read 1,061 for nutildah, and 2 for you.  That's about 530.5 to 1, but who's counting?

Of course, you feel disinclined to support such a system in which you hardly have established any stake or to bash others for their merit status when you hardly have established any of such yourself either, for that matter.
I see 336 merits. the rest is the age of the account and the amount of flooding.

Get the fuck out of here with your stupid-ass nonsense that attempts to reframe what is merit or meritorious and your simplified conclusions regarding what constitutes forum contribution.  You are not adding value by attempting such superficial renditions about what is supposedly "worthy" within your newbie status on the forum.


I think you did a lot of useful things, but you do not need to be arrogant.

My supposed choice to be "arrogant" is your subjective assessment of the matter, and from my point of view, I was reasonably responding to your own attempt to assert yourself into provoking rather than adding any value to the subject matter.  Your assertion of arrogance seems quite inaccurate, given the context.


you do not know me

So what?  It does not matter whether you have prestige, value and rank in real life because the forum only assesses value based on your forum contributions and the rules that are established here (and changed from time to time).


and also understand that the situation is now unfair

You conclude that I "understand that the situation is now unfair."  Huh?   On the contrary, I agree that the decision and changes seem to be a reasonable balance based on what is being attempted to achieve, which is to filter out shit posts from farmed accounts, shills, trolls, spammers and scammers.  

I also agree with theymos's suggestion that 1 merit is not difficult to achieve for newbies, and personally, I believe that he might be being overly generous when he allows copper membership to bring most of the same benefits as jr member status (at least posting of images and such), but that seems to also be a kind of compromise that he has concluded to be reasonable based on his perception of the matter (which I am not going to second-guess that kind of discretionary matter because overall the whole package of these recently implemented changes seems fair to me - in spite of various whinings from mostly 0 merited accounts and some other low merited accounts, like yours, that seem to be inclined to make common cause with the 0 merited newbie accounts based on non-substantiated assertions of "unfairness."   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  )

total 61 merits. not a very good prospect, right? Wink

I'll admit its harder for Newbs to get merits than higher ranking ones, but 95% of all Newbs just post senseless trash, which ruins its for the actual 5% who might actually have something interesting to say. Sorry but we're sick of the forum's quality being watered down by opportunistic spam artists.
you understand why this happens. it's all at the money. earlier this was a forum for communication. now for earnings. and newcomers are forced to spam because of the terms of the forum and campaigns

What? You're missing the entire point of the forum. Newcomers only come here because they mistakenly _think_ they can make a living spamming here. But they're wrong. They were always wrong. The recent changes were made to deter them from flooding the forum with useless posts so it can maintain its original intention as a place for communication.

Nobody's _forcing_ _anybody_ to spam. That's a ridiculous mindset to think they have to keep spamming the forum.
you are very naive. you think that such a measure someone will stop. read my appeal. above you will see a link. the rules of the signature compel create spam.

Why don't you work within the parameters that have already been established by the forum, Uesly_Future, and that is the existence and allowance of signature campaigns?  You have about a snowball's chance in hell changing the choice, in this forum, to have signature campaigns, at least in the short term.   You may need to create a new thread on the topic or at least find a thread in which that kind of proposal is being batted around.
jr. member
Activity: 171
Merit: 1
September 20, 2018, 04:55:39 PM
Thanks to this new rule, I got demoted to Newbie. And to say the least i am truly devastated about this. I do not see myself a "shitposter", if i may say. I do research everytime i replied for a topic for it to appear as constructive as it should be. I do my job seriously because i consider this as my bread and butter. All the tokens that rewarded to me here were intended for the school needs of my daughter being a single parent.
Can i still be rewarded the tokens intended for my then Jr. Member rank from the signature campaign i've participated? I do need some advise on this, please.
Hello friend; please note just getting sad is not the solution.  If you don't mind I will suggest you to become copper member.  you can become this by small payment.  
After doing so you will be able to work under signature campaign.  Try objective to the point posts; then I am sure you will get merits.  Best wishes.
details are already given in Theymous  post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote
so its seems to me that if "newbies" want to get paid, they have to pay to play. still not making any post better but is ok if they pay.

I say limit topic post to 3 posts a week, unless replied to.

this would limit crap spamming post better than taking way bounties for newbies that are trying to earn while learning
jr. member
Activity: 171
Merit: 1
September 20, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
   Hello all moderators  Grin ,
   Realy , I don’t want to give my judgment on this new decision before getting clear answers about my following questions :
   1- do you think that buying copper membership will improve the newbie’s  posts quality ?
You are making good points here. I'm not a mod, but I felt I would comment what I thought regarding your claims.

Buying copper membership will do nothing regarding post quality of newbies, but it will reduce the registration of newbies who post garbage. It will discourage and demotivated the newbies to register since they need to pay a small fee to registered and even needed to put extra effort to ranked up to Jr. member level. Because I have seen that most of the people/bots will tend to join and just post shit in order to rank up just by wasting time here. When they ranked up by wasting time and moves immediately to earn money or shitcoins by just participating bounty/signature campaigns. As always I have believed that earning through the bitcointalk forum is not the problem but the way we do it.

In a nutshell Prevention is better than cure even though the cure is not perfect.

All posts:
Code:
+----------+-------+
| Days ago | posts |
+----------+-------+
|        0 | 26510 |
|        1 | 42433 |
|        2 | 46736 |
|        3 | 54921 |
|        4 | 45271 |
|        5 | 48072 |
|        6 | 48926 |
|        7 | 46559 |
|        8 | 45886 |
|        9 | 49366 |
|       10 | 55894 |
|       11 | 47335 |
|       12 | 50829 |
|       13 | 53678 |
|       14 | 48648 |
|       15 | 49082 |
|       16 | 50333 |
|       17 | 57172 |
|       18 | 48595 |
|       19 | 52579 |
|       20 | 57679 |
|       21 | 40384 |
|       22 | 54342 |
|       23 | 56030 |
|       24 | 61043 |
|       25 | 48891 |
|       26 | 48744 |
|       27 | 50118 |
|       28 | 47206 |
|       29 | 51689 |
+----------+-------+

Deleted posts (not necessarily by a moderator):
Code:
+----------+-------+
| Days ago | posts |
+----------+-------+
|        0 |   749 |
|        1 |  3004 |
|        2 |  2430 |
|        3 |  1950 |
|        4 |  2275 |
|        5 |  2395 |
|        6 |  2836 |
|        7 |  3439 |
|        8 |  2743 |
|        9 |  3244 |
|       10 |  3793 |
|       11 |  5510 |
|       12 |  5153 |
|       13 |  5681 |
|       14 |  4870 |
|       15 |  5974 |
|       16 |  4685 |
|       17 |  5909 |
|       18 |  7518 |
|       19 |  7709 |
|       20 |  6472 |
|       21 |  5671 |
|       22 |  8891 |
|       23 |  7594 |
|       24 |  6634 |
|       25 |  6694 |
|       26 |  6433 |
|       27 |  5401 |
|       28 |  6260 |
|       29 |  5504 |
+----------+-------+

That's "24-hour periods from now", not calendar days.

There was a bug for the last ~7 hours which prevented all newbie posts, so that's going to make a big dent in the stats.
I had noticed the "bug" which really sucked as I'm still learning about discussions in the crypto mind set. Hopefully this "bug" will not become the new way of making us Newbies pay to post! I like asking questions! I have learned quite a bit in the 9 months of being on here.

Thanks
jr. member
Activity: 63
Merit: 1
September 20, 2018, 03:29:02 PM
I see many comments in this post many higher rank member are very happy for this rules and they post many emoji and picture for this happy moments. I know this is good rules and I support it.😐😐

So please don't laugh and keep support in new member if higher rank member support this newbie and new member then very soon they got merit point 😛

So please help and support for newbie
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 174
September 20, 2018, 02:53:47 PM
   Hello all moderators  Grin ,
   Realy , I don’t want to give my judgment on this new decision before getting clear answers about my following questions :
   1- do you think that buying copper membership will improve the newbie’s  posts quality ?
You are making good points here. I'm not a mod, but I felt I would comment what I thought regarding your claims.

Buying copper membership will do nothing regarding post quality of newbies, but it will reduce the registration of newbies who post garbage. It will discourage and demotivated the newbies to register since they need to pay a small fee to registered and even needed to put extra effort to ranked up to Jr. member level. Because I have seen that most of the people/bots will tend to join and just post shit in order to rank up just by wasting time here. When they ranked up by wasting time and moves immediately to earn money or shitcoins by just participating bounty/signature campaigns. As always I have believed that earning through the bitcointalk forum is not the problem but the way we do it.

In a nutshell Prevention is better than cure even though the cure is not perfect.

All posts:
Code:
+----------+-------+
| Days ago | posts |
+----------+-------+
|        0 | 26510 |
|        1 | 42433 |
|        2 | 46736 |
|        3 | 54921 |
|        4 | 45271 |
|        5 | 48072 |
|        6 | 48926 |
|        7 | 46559 |
|        8 | 45886 |
|        9 | 49366 |
|       10 | 55894 |
|       11 | 47335 |
|       12 | 50829 |
|       13 | 53678 |
|       14 | 48648 |
|       15 | 49082 |
|       16 | 50333 |
|       17 | 57172 |
|       18 | 48595 |
|       19 | 52579 |
|       20 | 57679 |
|       21 | 40384 |
|       22 | 54342 |
|       23 | 56030 |
|       24 | 61043 |
|       25 | 48891 |
|       26 | 48744 |
|       27 | 50118 |
|       28 | 47206 |
|       29 | 51689 |
+----------+-------+

Deleted posts (not necessarily by a moderator):
Code:
+----------+-------+
| Days ago | posts |
+----------+-------+
|        0 |   749 |
|        1 |  3004 |
|        2 |  2430 |
|        3 |  1950 |
|        4 |  2275 |
|        5 |  2395 |
|        6 |  2836 |
|        7 |  3439 |
|        8 |  2743 |
|        9 |  3244 |
|       10 |  3793 |
|       11 |  5510 |
|       12 |  5153 |
|       13 |  5681 |
|       14 |  4870 |
|       15 |  5974 |
|       16 |  4685 |
|       17 |  5909 |
|       18 |  7518 |
|       19 |  7709 |
|       20 |  6472 |
|       21 |  5671 |
|       22 |  8891 |
|       23 |  7594 |
|       24 |  6634 |
|       25 |  6694 |
|       26 |  6433 |
|       27 |  5401 |
|       28 |  6260 |
|       29 |  5504 |
+----------+-------+

That's "24-hour periods from now", not calendar days.

There was a bug for the last ~7 hours which prevented all newbie posts, so that's going to make a big dent in the stats.
newbie
Activity: 59
Merit: 0
September 20, 2018, 02:31:55 PM
as it were, you will have to accept these changes and adapt to them, you need a perit? then we will earn)
member
Activity: 182
Merit: 25
Bitcoin=Decentralization+ Consensus+High sec=TRUST
September 20, 2018, 01:21:46 PM
   Hello all moderators  Grin ,
   Realy , I don’t want to give my judgment on this new decision before getting clear answers about my following questions :
   1- do you think that buying copper membership will improve the newbie’s  posts quality ?
   2- what is the main problem now , the increasing of  garbage-posting posts or the decreasing of high-level posts ?
   3- are the newbies members only responsible for upgrading forum’s posts level ? if they aren’t only ,what are your related decisions to push or force the high-order members to improve their posts quality and do you have the tools which allow you to monitor and evaluate their performance in order to make the appropriate decisions to improve their performance? as what  now happening with newbies … thank you . Smiley

  i still waiting for any one to answer my questions in this quoted post Roll Eyes
member
Activity: 672
Merit: 12
September 20, 2018, 12:54:27 PM
Thanks to this new rule, I got demoted to Newbie. And to say the least i am truly devastated about this. I do not see myself a "shitposter", if i may say. I do research everytime i replied for a topic for it to appear as constructive as it should be. I do my job seriously because i consider this as my bread and butter. All the tokens that rewarded to me here were intended for the school needs of my daughter being a single parent.
Can i still be rewarded the tokens intended for my then Jr. Member rank from the signature campaign i've participated? I do need some advise on this, please.
Hello friend; please note just getting sad is not the solution.  If you don't mind I will suggest you to become copper member.  you can become this by small payment.  
After doing so you will be able to work under signature campaign.  Try objective to the point posts; then I am sure you will get merits.  Best wishes.
details are already given in Theymous  post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote
member
Activity: 672
Merit: 12
September 20, 2018, 12:33:45 PM
Becoming a newbie again is very disappointing it is unfair for all members who was already a jr member. Yes I think it is good idea to prevent spamming activities and meaningless posts. However I think it is favor only to all higher ranked members that was old here in this forum. Demoting all jr members are not the good ways to decrease huge number of spamming rather it increase the total number of spammers.
Hello friend; getting  disappointed is not good.  One more think let me know you that all the junior members are not demoted.  junior member holding even a single merit are not demoted.  
Take it as a challenge friend.  Devote at least one hour a day reading various threads available in different sections of the forum.  It will add to the existing knowledge level.  
Then you will be posting various replies and I am sure you will get merits and again you will not only become junior member ; even you will become member and high ranks also.  
Best of luck friend.
newbie
Activity: 21
Merit: 0
September 20, 2018, 11:08:19 AM
Agreed with this new rules. This forum isn't just for kidding or spam talks useless, therefore don't assume this is ordinary forum. Review before posting, so a newbie like me can obtain reliable information from here
legendary
Activity: 3010
Merit: 8114
September 20, 2018, 10:39:24 AM
By the way, in the couple hours since you were bitching about my merits, I've accrued 12 more  Tongue
it's probably because you write the right things, but I do not. right?)

I read through your posts and yeah, you're exactly right.

We have a saying in Russia according to which a well-fed man finds it difficult to understand a starving one.

We have a saying in Hawaii: If can, can. If no can, no can. You braddah no can.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1617
September 20, 2018, 10:10:33 AM
Is there a place where we can post merit abuse? I've found a few users already who "randomly" send out merits on the 17th..

Look at this thread:

Users abusing merit to level up their alts to Junior Member
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/users-abusing-merit-to-level-up-their-alts-to-junior-member-5031341
hero member
Activity: 1582
Merit: 759
September 20, 2018, 10:01:38 AM
Is there a place where we can post merit abuse? I've found a few users already who "randomly" send out merits on the 17th..
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
September 20, 2018, 09:59:33 AM
Thanks to this new rule, I got demoted to Newbie. And to say the least i am truly devastated about this. I do not see myself a "shitposter", if i may say. I do research everytime i replied for a topic for it to appear as constructive as it should be. I do my job seriously because i consider this as my bread and butter. All the tokens that rewarded to me here were intended for the school needs of my daughter being a single parent.
Can i still be rewarded the tokens intended for my then Jr. Member rank from the signature campaign i've participated? I do need some advise on this, please.

I checked your post history and I didn't see "research". You're posting generic phrases in meaningless megathreads. If this is your job you should consider a career change.

You may get your signature payment but you need to talk to your campaign manager. This thread is not the place for that.
newbie
Activity: 208
Merit: 0
September 20, 2018, 09:28:44 AM
Thanks to this new rule, I got demoted to Newbie. And to say the least i am truly devastated about this. I do not see myself a "shitposter", if i may say. I do research everytime i replied for a topic for it to appear as constructive as it should be. I do my job seriously because i consider this as my bread and butter. All the tokens that rewarded to me here were intended for the school needs of my daughter being a single parent.
Can i still be rewarded the tokens intended for my then Jr. Member rank from the signature campaign i've participated? I do need some advise on this, please.
newbie
Activity: 238
Merit: 0
September 20, 2018, 09:22:29 AM
Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

Note that this does not affect:
 - PM rate-limiting, which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.
 - "You must wait ___ seconds...", which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.
 
But it does affect:
 - Voting in polls
 - Patroller jurisdiction
 - The "ignore newbie PMs" option.
 - "The body is omitted from this email because the sender is a newbie."
 - BBCode limits
 - Reduced-accuracy link filtering
 - Board restrictions

Many of these limitations can be eliminated with a copper membership. In particular, you can set a signature at Member level if you wear a copper membership.

One reason that I was hesitant to do this before is that there are an awful lot of newbie restrictions, and I don't want the forum to be unwelcoming to good newbies. I'll think about tying some of those to activity instead of rank in the future.
 
With help from DdmrDdmr, I just added 36 new merit sources, which should help newbies achieve the requirement. But if you're incapable of posting anything worthwhile, then you will never rank up, and you shouldn't: this isn't the forum for you.

I think it would have been easier to simply ban Jr Member's signature, and not compare those who have been on the site for half a year, with newcomers!   Huh

Moreover, after September 10, for some reason, a lot of accounts get 1 to 2 merits, which was not the case before.
copper member
Activity: 252
Merit: 0
September 20, 2018, 09:06:01 AM
There are a number of things a beginner must think about in relation to the new rules:

1. The main goal to move up to Junior is 1 Merit
2. The focus of posting is quality not the number of 30 posts again (standard for rising to Junior rank)
3. Warning to maintain the quality of posts, useful posts and comments according to discussion
4. Being a Junior is not only about the ability to comment but also the capabilities and knowledge related to crypto and the forum as a whole
5. Etc.

Please note if there is a Thank you
newbie
Activity: 266
Merit: 0
September 20, 2018, 08:45:35 AM
I get it that people post a lot of spam posts in some topics and I definitely agree that something has to be done to keep a certain quality of the forum but I don't know... Shouldn't the administrator(s)/mod(s) rather delete entire topic that is considered inappropriate instead of just removing posts and banning users?
Well at the current condition, that obviously won't leave any effect at all. Hundreds or sometimes thousands of posts are already deleted every day but that still don't make any change, even after the merit system is implemented.

I said that it's much better if the global moderator change the requirements of newbie and jr.member.
Only theymos can make such changes

Honestly, the change is a joke. That won't stop the spam anyway, as long as the spammers can buy copper membership, have a signature and can continue.
The change only means that the spammers have to pay a small amount to theymos before. Afterwards they can continue as before.
Without copper membership or if they still have no signature, the change would really do something, but so somehow not.
Only i see that? What's your opinion about this?
At least it's better than nothing. Having to pay a small amount or earn 1 merit might seem easy for you, but it will be a hard task for spammers with, say, 10 accounts or something.
I also agree with this idea, I know that all management's work is better for this forum but be aware that there are many spammers in the system and that contributing is a good part of The natural law for this forum to be better so changing the law is also a good thing for everyone thanks to this forum for giving me more knowledge about bitcoin money as well as other currencies this is not for Please do not give it as spam thank you
jr. member
Activity: 251
Merit: 3
Globe-dex.com
September 20, 2018, 08:41:39 AM
Becoming a newbie again is very disappointing it is unfair for all members who was already a jr member. Yes I think it is good idea to prevent spamming activities and meaningless posts. However I think it is favor only to all higher ranked members that was old here in this forum. Demoting all jr members are not the good ways to decrease huge number of spamming rather it increase the total number of spammers.
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