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Quote from: Weawant on August 29, 2024, 04:50:49 PM

Quote from: Slow death on August 28, 2024, 02:32:43 PM

It is strange that Ajax in league games has had difficulty scoring more than 2 goals, in 2 games they only managed to score 2 goals, but in European competitions in 1 game they managed to score 4 goals. I do not know if this is because the opponent in European competitions is weaker than the opponents in the Eredivisie. But it is a clear fact that this season Ajax has little chance of becoming champion. When you look at the table

PSV have already scored 15 goals in just 2 games. This is something that shows how their attack is at a great level compared to Ajax and even if Ajax qualifies in the European Champions League, I highly doubt that Ajax will be able to go far in the European Champions League. That's why I don't have high expectations for Ajax this season. Before the season started I even had some hope that this season could be better than last season. But now I don't think so anymore. I only see disaster coming from Ajax.

Already at the top of the table with over nine points is PSV, they want to probably have the title in a row having had it in the most recent season, Ajax keeps baffling me with what looks like a serious decline in their side because I don't understand why they are at the far ninth position a d the season literally just begun, yet Ajax couldn't bost of a decent start already, I wouldn't want to believe they are going to continue this way this season after having all of their adjustments they made within the summer window, I had really wanted them contending so well that they be seen as to contenders at the level where they could appear like a threat to PSV, I will hope they get better before the season is far spent.

Well, Ajax has played 2 games in which they lost and won one, that's why they have 3 points. While PSV has played 4 games, won all 4 games and has 12 points, the other teams in the league have played 3 to 4 games. Ajax is the only team that has only played 2 games. Now we need to see what results Ajax will have when they play the next 2 games. If they lose then we can already conclude that Ajax has a greater chance of not winning the league and maybe not even finishing in 2nd or 3rd position because Feyenoord, who are not performing as well as they did last season, may finish in 2nd position.

AZ is starting this season very well, they have played 4 games, won 3 games and drew 1 game, but they have not conceded any goals. They are currently in second place with 10 points. I wonder if they will be able to maintain this position until the end of the season.

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Quote from: Richbased on August 29, 2024, 03:20:28 PM

PSV has became so strong in the Netherlands Eredivisie since last season as they won the league with high point difference and goal difference and just immediately this season started they are already showing good signs of their continuing from their awesome performance last season so they are most likely to win the title again because I don't see any team in the Eredivisie that can challenge PSV now because Ajax that used to dominate the Eredivisie has not been in good form since last season and Feyenoord that was showing a bit of strength and energy lost focus along the line and this three teams are the most dominant in the Eredivisie so if Ajax and Feyenoord can't meet up the energy of PSV I wonder which other team can be able to do that. Imagine PSV scoring 15 goals in just 3 games played so far isn't it a kind of putting fear in their next opponents?

In last 14 years, we have 7 titles for the Ajax with all other teams having honor, but we have dominance for only Ajax which is now suffering due to having some bad decisions and PSV is having good dominance because 14 years back they were at the top and have few back to back titles as well now again they are bringing themselves to this level to have good results and stay at the top their start of this season is impressive with Ajax and Feyenoord both are struggling we will be having changes in coming rounds but with the current performance level I am not expecting any team to be created problems for the leaders PSV.

Now as we will be having start of the UEFA events we will be having some busy schedule for the top teams which can bring some changes but mostly here in Eredivisie is having good rotation system which helps these top teams to stay at the top level and having good results in all competitions as well.

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Quote from: Slow death on August 28, 2024, 02:32:43 PM

It is strange that Ajax in league games has had difficulty scoring more than 2 goals, in 2 games they only managed to score 2 goals, but in European competitions in 1 game they managed to score 4 goals. I do not know if this is because the opponent in European competitions is weaker than the opponents in the Eredivisie. But it is a clear fact that this season Ajax has little chance of becoming champion. When you look at the table

PSV have already scored 15 goals in just 2 games. This is something that shows how their attack is at a great level compared to Ajax and even if Ajax qualifies in the European Champions League, I highly doubt that Ajax will be able to go far in the European Champions League. That's why I don't have high expectations for Ajax this season. Before the season started I even had some hope that this season could be better than last season. But now I don't think so anymore. I only see disaster coming from Ajax.

Already at the top of the table with over nine points is PSV, they want to probably have the title in a row having had it in the most recent season, Ajax keeps baffling me with what looks like a serious decline in their side because I don't understand why they are at the far ninth position a d the season literally just begun, yet Ajax couldn't bost of a decent start already, I wouldn't want to believe they are going to continue this way this season after having all of their adjustments they made within the summer window, I had really wanted them contending so well that they be seen as to contenders at the level where they could appear like a threat to PSV, I will hope they get better before the season is far spent.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on August 28, 2024, 11:00:17 PM

Quote from: dezoel on August 25, 2024, 02:28:45 PM

-snip-Chances are high for them to have spot into UEFA Europa Cup but here in Dutch League they need to be had better results because now gape is widening between them at the top specially champions PSV is having amazing time as they are doing rain of goals 15 from 3 games.

PSV became the first team in the Eredivise to score double digits in goals. That is truly a superior record because no other team has managed to score 10+ goals in the first 3 league games. This is a very strong indication that they will be champions again this season. And for Ajax I think they started the season very badly. Getting 1 win and 1 loss, scoring 2 goals and conceding 2 goals is a bad result for a team like Ajax. At this time I think we can't determine which team will be PSV's competitor because it is still very early. But honestly I am not sure about Ajax's chances to improve their ranking from last season.

PSV has became so strong in the Netherlands Eredivisie since last season as they won the league with high point difference and goal difference and just immediately this season started they are already showing good signs of their continuing from their awesome performance last season so they are most likely to win the title again because I don't see any team in the Eredivisie that can challenge PSV now because Ajax that used to dominate the Eredivisie has not been in good form since last season and Feyenoord that was showing a bit of strength and energy lost focus along the line and this three teams are the most dominant in the Eredivisie so if Ajax and Feyenoord can't meet up the energy of PSV I wonder which other team can be able to do that. Imagine PSV scoring 15 goals in just 3 games played so far isn't it a kind of putting fear in their next opponents?

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Quote from: dezoel on August 25, 2024, 02:28:45 PM

-snip-Chances are high for them to have spot into UEFA Europa Cup but here in Dutch League they need to be had better results because now gape is widening between them at the top specially champions PSV is having amazing time as they are doing rain of goals 15 from 3 games.

PSV became the first team in the Eredivise to score double digits in goals. That is truly a superior record because no other team has managed to score 10+ goals in the first 3 league games. This is a very strong indication that they will be champions again this season. And for Ajax I think they started the season very badly. Getting 1 win and 1 loss, scoring 2 goals and conceding 2 goals is a bad result for a team like Ajax. At this time I think we can't determine which team will be PSV's competitor because it is still very early. But honestly I am not sure about Ajax's chances to improve their ranking from last season.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 27, 2024, 12:55:51 PM

Quote from: BALIK on August 26, 2024, 03:30:27 PM

PSV is playing to win the title this season as well. And their squad is also very strong. PSV dominated the Eredivise last season. The players of the team were in excellent form from the beginning of the season. The team lost only one match in the entire season. PSV has got off to a great start this season. PSV won the first three matches. And the important thing is PSV scored a total of 15 goals in 3 matches and conceded only 3, this shows that PSV's attack is very strong this season too.

The Ajax team did not play well in the previous season. This team was at the fourth place in the table. I was waiting to see Ajax's comeback this season. But the Ajax team is not in good form this season either. The team lost their last match against NAC. Even Feyenoord lost two of their three matches. It probably won't be difficult for PSV to dominate the Eredivise this season.

There is no doubt PSV having start of their new season like champions because we have no other team in Eredivisie who have perfect start like them with Feyenoord is already struggling and having 2 draws Ajax having defeat in their second game all top ranked teams are having troubling start with this PSV is creating early gape which will help them after few rounds to keep them at the top without any pressure their attack is aggressive with having 15 goals in just 3 games clearly indicating how things will be in coming days.

Before start of the season there were few hopes about Ajax, but they are having not ideal start, so things are looking not positive for their chance at the top hopefully they will give their best for having rank into top four teams because this is also looking not easy with the current performance level of them and other teams at the top.

It is strange that Ajax in league games has had difficulty scoring more than 2 goals, in 2 games they only managed to score 2 goals, but in European competitions in 1 game they managed to score 4 goals. I do not know if this is because the opponent in European competitions is weaker than the opponents in the Eredivisie. But it is a clear fact that this season Ajax has little chance of becoming champion. When you look at the table

PSV have already scored 15 goals in just 2 games. This is something that shows how their attack is at a great level compared to Ajax and even if Ajax qualifies in the European Champions League, I highly doubt that Ajax will be able to go far in the European Champions League. That's why I don't have high expectations for Ajax this season. Before the season started I even had some hope that this season could be better than last season. But now I don't think so anymore. I only see disaster coming from Ajax.

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Quote from: BALIK on August 26, 2024, 03:30:27 PM

PSV is playing to win the title this season as well. And their squad is also very strong. PSV dominated the Eredivise last season. The players of the team were in excellent form from the beginning of the season. The team lost only one match in the entire season. PSV has got off to a great start this season. PSV won the first three matches. And the important thing is PSV scored a total of 15 goals in 3 matches and conceded only 3, this shows that PSV's attack is very strong this season too.

The Ajax team did not play well in the previous season. This team was at the fourth place in the table. I was waiting to see Ajax's comeback this season. But the Ajax team is not in good form this season either. The team lost their last match against NAC. Even Feyenoord lost two of their three matches. It probably won't be difficult for PSV to dominate the Eredivise this season.

There is no doubt PSV having start of their new season like champions because we have no other team in Eredivisie who have perfect start like them with Feyenoord is already struggling and having 2 draws Ajax having defeat in their second game all top ranked teams are having troubling start with this PSV is creating early gape which will help them after few rounds to keep them at the top without any pressure their attack is aggressive with having 15 goals in just 3 games clearly indicating how things will be in coming days.

Before start of the season there were few hopes about Ajax, but they are having not ideal start, so things are looking not positive for their chance at the top hopefully they will give their best for having rank into top four teams because this is also looking not easy with the current performance level of them and other teams at the top.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 26, 2024, 02:09:21 PM

PSV started in very powerful way and it shows that they have serious intentions to defend title. This round they got huge 7:1 win against Almere City.
Feyenoord again dropped points, this time they ended 1:1 with Sparta. Welll, derby usually is different kind of game.

PSV is playing to win the title this season as well. And their squad is also very strong. PSV dominated the Eredivise last season. The players of the team were in excellent form from the beginning of the season. The team lost only one match in the entire season. PSV has got off to a great start this season. PSV won the first three matches. And the important thing is PSV scored a total of 15 goals in 3 matches and conceded only 3, this shows that PSV's attack is very strong this season too.

The Ajax team did not play well in the previous season. This team was at the fourth place in the table. I was waiting to see Ajax's comeback this season. But the Ajax team is not in good form this season either. The team lost their last match against NAC. Even Feyenoord lost two of their three matches. It probably won't be difficult for PSV to dominate the Eredivise this season.

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PSV started in very powerful way and it shows that they have serious intentions to defend title. This round they got huge 7:1 win against Almere City.
Feyenoord again dropped points, this time they ended 1:1 with Sparta. Welll, derby usually is different kind of game.

Quote from: dezoel on August 25, 2024, 02:28:45 PM

It's long time we have no activity from the OP @casperBGD, so I don't think so we can change the title of this thread as users are having no intention of title as well, and they are using this without any problem.

casperBGD said that he is leaving forum. So, we shouldn't expect that thread will be updated, unless he will return. Anyway, don't see any problem to continue using this topic.

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Quote from: snipie on August 25, 2024, 04:21:27 AM

Is there a new topic dedicated for Eredivisie 24/25? otherwise it would be better to update the title of this topic in my opinion.

It's long time we have no activity from the OP @casperBGD, so I don't think so we can change the title of this thread as users are having no intention of title as well, and they are using this without any problem.

Quote from: snipie on August 25, 2024, 04:21:27 AM

Ajax started the season with a victory against Heerenveen by only one goal then lost 2 - 1 vs NAC, a team that just promoted to Eredivisie.. In Europa League, Ajax had to go through 13 penalties to win against Panathinaikos after a victory and a defeat in the main time of both legs. I don't see them fully ready to take the first place from PSV Eindhoven which seems to be fine until now!

Ajax is still having troubles, so things are not going as they are needed their next game is against Feyenoord at the De Kuip Rotterdam where they are having troubling time in last few games as they lost with huge margins in this season they are having 4 games from these two won and two loses, but their defense is having not good time because they are conceding goals in every game.

Chances are high for them to have spot into UEFA Europa Cup but here in Dutch League they need to be had better results because now gape is widening between them at the top specially champions PSV is having amazing time as they are doing rain of goals 15 from 3 games.

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Is there a new topic dedicated for Eredivisie 24/25? otherwise it would be better to update the title of this topic in my opinion.

Ajax started the season with a victory against Heerenveen by only one goal then lost 2 - 1 vs NAC, a team that just promoted to Eredivisie.. In Europa League, Ajax had to go through 13 penalties to win against Panathinaikos after a victory and a defeat in the main time of both legs. I don't see them fully ready to take the first place from PSV Eindhoven which seems to be fine until now!

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Quote from: Slow death on August 12, 2024, 09:52:09 AM

Quote from: Alpha Marine on August 11, 2024, 05:54:42 PM

The bigger problem of Ajax is not just the coach that left, but the fact that they constantly sell off their star players. I know this is something they are known for since they have a very good academy but I think it's starting to catch up with them.
Since the season they had a very good Champions League run where they got to the semi-final, they've sold almost all their star players. Players like Frenkie, De Ligt, Shone, Tadic, Van De Beck, Neres, Blind, Antony and many more players have been sold.
Selling players when you don't have replacements is always a bad move. I believe they will get back with time because they also have a good recruiting team but they have to take this as a warning if they want to remain a relevant club in the league.

I agree with everything you said, Ajax are still not at the same good level they were in the past and in the game against Heerenveen they didn't lose only because Heerenveen's attacking players were not very inspired, Heerenveen players managed to make good passes, created good opportunities, but when it came to finishing they made mistakes, I believe that Robin van Persie needs to get better players to improve Heerenveen's attack, while Francesco Farioli will have a lot of work to do to improve Ajax and from what I see, this season Ajax only signed Bertrand Traoré who comes from Villareal, and they brought Christian Rasmussen from Ajax B, honestly I don't see Ajax being able to win the title, I see Ajax finishing in second or third place

After having worst end in last season we are having some development in Ajax even it's never been easy for team to have best quickly, but they are doing good and having good results with most chances in this season we will have them in UEFA Europa Cup because they are doing good at qualifying rounds and their start here in Eredivisie is also good even we can talk perfect but still this was good as they were able to beat Heerenveen by small margin as opponent also having new coach Robin Persie.

Ajax can go through for good results in this season while we are having usual all five teams at the top but as we have few changes of coaches and other we can expect some surprise because few clubs are looking for improvement and better end of their season in league table.

As an Ajax fan, I see that we will have another season of headaches:

We lost in a game where we had a good chance of winning. It's funny that Ajax had 75% ball possession, had more shots on target and still only managed to score 1 goal and concede 2 goals against a not very strong opponent, so I predict that Ajax could end up in the same position they finished next season and I wonder: when will we see Ajax fighting for the title? because I see that this season they are already showing signs that they are not ready to fight for the title, especially because PSV continues to be very strong as in the last 3 seasons. It is unbelievable how PSV has managed to maintain a good performance over the last 3 seasons and I see them being champions again this season.

result of the two great teams:

Heracles 1 - 3 PSV (PSV is starting the season very well, I see them becoming champions again)

Zwolle 1 - 5 Feyenoord (after a bad start to the season, in this second game Feyenoord crushed their opponent and are showing that they will compete with PSV for the title as they did last season)

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Quote from: Slow death on August 12, 2024, 09:52:09 AM

Quote from: Alpha Marine on August 11, 2024, 05:54:42 PM

The bigger problem of Ajax is not just the coach that left, but the fact that they constantly sell off their star players. I know this is something they are known for since they have a very good academy but I think it's starting to catch up with them.
Since the season they had a very good Champions League run where they got to the semi-final, they've sold almost all their star players. Players like Frenkie, De Ligt, Shone, Tadic, Van De Beck, Neres, Blind, Antony and many more players have been sold.
Selling players when you don't have replacements is always a bad move. I believe they will get back with time because they also have a good recruiting team but they have to take this as a warning if they want to remain a relevant club in the league.

I agree with everything you said, Ajax are still not at the same good level they were in the past and in the game against Heerenveen they didn't lose only because Heerenveen's attacking players were not very inspired, Heerenveen players managed to make good passes, created good opportunities, but when it came to finishing they made mistakes, I believe that Robin van Persie needs to get better players to improve Heerenveen's attack, while Francesco Farioli will have a lot of work to do to improve Ajax and from what I see, this season Ajax only signed Bertrand Traoré who comes from Villareal, and they brought Christian Rasmussen from Ajax B, honestly I don't see Ajax being able to win the title, I see Ajax finishing in second or third place

After having worst end in last season we are having some development in Ajax even it's never been easy for team to have best quickly, but they are doing good and having good results with most chances in this season we will have them in UEFA Europa Cup because they are doing good at qualifying rounds and their start here in Eredivisie is also good even we can talk perfect but still this was good as they were able to beat Heerenveen by small margin as opponent also having new coach Robin Persie.

Ajax can go through for good results in this season while we are having usual all five teams at the top but as we have few changes of coaches and other we can expect some surprise because few clubs are looking for improvement and better end of their season in league table.

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Quote from: Zigabel on August 11, 2024, 06:37:03 PM

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Ajax have been consistently in 1st or 2nd place for a decade. In the 2022/2023 season they are in third place and last season was their worst performance in 10 years because they were only able to finish in fifth place in the standings. But I still believe Ajax will be able to perform better this season. I am not sure about their chances of winning the League but I am sure Ajax will be a title contender again. Twente and AZ Alkmaar performed surprisingly last season but I doubt they will be able to maintain their performance like the previous season.

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In the first week of the Dutch league, there were no surprises. Last season's champions PSV started the league in a good way by defeating their rival Waalwijk with 5 goals in their first league match.
Another team that managed to get a different win was Groningen. It was also a good week for Groningen, who won 4-1 at home against NAC Breda.

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Quote from: Alpha Marine on August 11, 2024, 05:54:42 PM

Quote from: Slow death on August 06, 2024, 09:03:33 AM

Since Erik ten Hag left Ajax, he caused Ajax to decline a lot and opened space for Feyenoord to start having real chances of winning the title, even in the case of PSV, they started to be a team that fights for the title after Erik ten Hag left Ajax, before Erik ten Hag became Ajax coach, Feyenoord had won the title when the coach was Giovanni van Bronckhorst.

The bigger problem of Ajax is not just the coach that left, but the fact that they constantly sell off their star players. I know this is something they are known for since they have a very good academy but I think it's starting to catch up with them.
Since the season they had a very good Champions League run where they got to the semi-final, they've sold almost all their star players. Players like Frenkie, De Ligt, Shone, Tadic, Van De Beck, Neres, Blind, Antony and many more players have been sold.
Selling players when you don't have replacements is always a bad move. I believe they will get back with time because they also have a good recruiting team but they have to take this as a warning if they want to remain a relevant club in the league.

I agree with everything you said, Ajax are still not at the same good level they were in the past and in the game against Heerenveen they didn't lose only because Heerenveen's attacking players were not very inspired, Heerenveen players managed to make good passes, created good opportunities, but when it came to finishing they made mistakes, I believe that Robin van Persie needs to get better players to improve Heerenveen's attack, while Francesco Farioli will have a lot of work to do to improve Ajax and from what I see, this season Ajax only signed Bertrand Traoré who comes from Villareal, and they brought Christian Rasmussen from Ajax B, honestly I don't see Ajax being able to win the title, I see Ajax finishing in second or third place

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Quote from: Zigabel on August 11, 2024, 06:37:03 PM

Quote from: Hanadawa on June 06, 2024, 11:25:19 AM

If you look at previous history, over the last 3 seasons the top five positions in the Eredivise have always been filled by Ajax, PSV, AZ Alkmaar, Twente and Feyenoord. This shows their consistency and an increasingly competitive league. I remember that the EPL used to have big four which referred to the top 4 clubs which always belonged to City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham. Maybe we can call this the big five in the Eredivise. Next season Ajax has the motivation to win the league championship. Az Alkmaar and Twente must be able to maintain the consistency of their game because they have slumped in the last few matches.

Last season Ajax wasn't very good with their performance and cannot be seen amongst the big four or five, they couldn't even make it to the top five but lets se how they g o about it this season if they are goin to get any better by the new season because the season is goin to be another chance for them to maybe do better than they had done last season and then they have always been. but before now, i know Ajax has always been at the top of the table on their league which has been what they have been able to achive a very long time except for last season where they had some challenges that got them performing poorly.

Ajax having good development as their performance is good but still this was good match because we are having Van Persie's first game as coach of Heerenveen things were looking on level in first half but at the end we are having goal for the Ajax through Hlynsson in second half we have good aggressive approach from the Heerenveen but Ajax defense were alert, and they give no chance to visitors for having any chance of coming on level.

PSV is on fire as we have them in last season, but Feyenoord is struggling hopefully we will have them back into good performance after few games because few days back they beat PSV on penalties in Super Cup which give them good confidence for the coming season and having good chance of keeping things at the top.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on June 06, 2024, 11:25:19 AM

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Without any doubt PSV done impressive work but now can they keep things at this level, or we are having some problems which is surely going to be another advantage for the Ajax but still things could be exciting in this next season, and we will have all matches full of entertainment and things could tough for the top five teams to keep themselves at their spots.

If you look at previous history, over the last 3 seasons the top five positions in the Eredivise have always been filled by Ajax, PSV, AZ Alkmaar, Twente and Feyenoord. This shows their consistency and an increasingly competitive league. I remember that the EPL used to have big four which referred to the top 4 clubs which always belonged to City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham. Maybe we can call this the big five in the Eredivise. Next season Ajax has the motivation to win the league championship. Az Alkmaar and Twente must be able to maintain the consistency of their game because they have slumped in the last few matches.

Last season Ajax wasn't very good with their performance and cannot be seen amongst the big four or five, they couldn't even make it to the top five but lets se how they g o about it this season if they are goin to get any better by the new season because the season is goin to be another chance for them to maybe do better than they had done last season and then they have always been. but before now, i know Ajax has always been at the top of the table on their league which has been what they have been able to achive a very long time except for last season where they had some challenges that got them performing poorly.

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Quote from: Slow death on August 06, 2024, 09:03:33 AM

Since Erik ten Hag left Ajax, he caused Ajax to decline a lot and opened space for Feyenoord to start having real chances of winning the title, even in the case of PSV, they started to be a team that fights for the title after Erik ten Hag left Ajax, before Erik ten Hag became Ajax coach, Feyenoord had won the title when the coach was Giovanni van Bronckhorst.

The bigger problem of Ajax is not just the coach that left, but the fact that they constantly sell off their star players. I know this is something they are known for since they have a very good academy but I think it's starting to catch up with them.
Since the season they had a very good Champions League run where they got to the semi-final, they've sold almost all their star players. Players like Frenkie, De Ligt, Shone, Tadic, Van De Beck, Neres, Blind, Antony and many more players have been sold.
Selling players when you don't have replacements is always a bad move. I believe they will get back with time because they also have a good recruiting team but they have to take this as a warning if they want to remain a relevant club in the league.

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The season's games have started, and I must admit that the result of one of the games left me very shocked. I'm talking about this game:

Feyenoord 1 - 1 Wilem II

This was a game in which Feyenoord was seen as the favorite to win the game. The odds for Feyenoord to win the game were @1.12. Looking at the squad of these two teams and because Feyenoord is a contender to win the league, they have been a very strong team in recent years, I thought that Feyenoord would win this game easily, especially when they scored a goal after just 12 minutes. Feyenoord dominated the game, they had 72% possession, they had 22 shots, 7 of which were on target. but unbelievable that Wilem II only made 2 shots, of which only 1 was on target, and in the 82nd minute they scored the equalizer. Shocked

PSV won
AJAX won

Maybe this season Ahax will be able to achieve better results compared to the last two seasons

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