Topic: Eredivisie 23/24 - discussion thread - page 7. (Read 16180 times)

Indeed. For example Vitesse are having a nightmare season. 18 points have been deducted from them because of breaching licensing regulations and providing incorrect information to investigating authorities more than once.

The source: https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2024-04-19/historic-points-deduction-for-vitesse-after-abramovich-investigation/

This punishment has literally killed Vitesse's hopes for the season. Even if they had those deleted points now it wasn't going to be enough for the 15th place to keep their hopes for staying.

From now on I really wonder what is going to happen to Vitesse. A few seasons ago, they were fighting for upper places. But now they are in a terrible condition. 

Relegation for a team is a no joke, it can destroy your team for a long term period, the key thing is if you are a big or small team, because if you are a big one you are gonna survive and eventually comeback from the lowe divisions, but if you are a small team and you lose the spot in first division you can lose steam and so much money and without a good and big background you can start to fall more.

Thanks for the correction, I didn't know there was still a chance for them to go to the European league, I hope they get that spot. Finishing in 5th position is not good, if at least they had finished in 4th position it could have been acceptable, but a team like Ajax being in 5th position and still depending on entering the European League indirectly is shameful. I wonder what changes the Ajax management will make next season to make the team champion, because if they keep things the same way, then next season they won't be able to be champions, the top teams will keep a large part of their squad and coaches, so they will have a good chance of winning the league next season

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In my opinion, the most difficult part for the players and coaches of a team is when the end of the league comes and they are faced with situations like this:



Relegation is the hardest part that players, coaches and team management face. because they lose a lot when they are relegated, they lose a lot of money, they lose the attention of the big companies that sponsor the teams. Companies want attention, so they will sponsor big teams and teams that are in the major leagues. players from the main teams have a greater chance of being hired by the big teams, coaches from the main teams also have a chance of being hired by the big teams. but when they are in the second division leagues, they lose all that. In the main league, teams earn more money, when they are relegated they will earn less money and it becomes difficult to return to the main league

Ok definitely missed something here, thanks for clarification. But it seems that the Eredivisie is structured quite differently and has so many play-off qualifiers. In most other leagues it is pretty clear as they don't play this qualifier mode. They all handle it differently. It is similar to the Premier League where one UEFA quali is given away in the EFL instead of the rank in the league. Different systems everywhere.

Yes, you're really missing something. 4th place (AZ) will go straight to Europa league group stage, while 5th will go Europa league 2nd qualifying round. There is also one team which will go to Conference league qualification, it will be decided in playoff between 6-9th placed teams:

  

Am I missing something or why are you saying that they are close to securing Europa League qualification? I am not aware of any qualifier spots being added to the 4 spots they have.

2 Champions League group stage
1 Champions League qualifier
1 Europa League qualifier

How can you say that they are close? They are 5th, 9 points behind the 4th and there are two games to go. Unless there is some info that for some magical reason they can make it as 5th into the Europa League, I think a lowest level of fact checking can be asked for.

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Flawless season played by PSV, but it felt like they have had zero competition.

It looks like Ajax are close to securing the Europa League qualification, however not the group stage.    Even if they qualified for the EL group stage it wouldn't be seen as success though. Nothing below title race is acceptable for them. Their performance is still not reliable as it can be seen from the latest results.

Ajax will need to work hard this summer. They need to get ready for next season by making some additions to the defense line especially. Because they just can't defend - 59 goals conceded in 32 matches.

Ajax's performance this season actually started of really disappointing to the point that we even taught they will not be able to make i pas this season as they may actually get relegated by the end of the season because they literally were loosing almost every of their games but then they were layer able to probably pick from but then the effects of that poor performance they had that long at the beginning of the season still affects them.

Ajax's for me have even been able to try having gotten to the point they have gotten to at this time, they are even working towards finish at the top four but they are currently competing at the spot to bet at the fifth or the fourth position, so I don't think all of Ajax fans are actually disappointed because even tho they are not at the top of the table currently, the come back they were able to get to this point on the table could be considered relatively an average performance been able to fighting back to getting to this point Ajax has actually done their fans proud a little.

If they don't go to the Champions league by next season, they are sure they will be at the Europa again next season maybe in a better form where they will. E able to qualify for the next season thereafter I wouldn't join to see ajax as a team that have not been able to do anything this season because they got a few of their problem solved without having to buy much players out there so they organically ready.

Now we have just 2 rounds left in this season and top four teams are already spotted just we have some competition between AZ Alkmaar and Twente with most chances both will be ended on same spots and Ajax is doing good which is going to help them for having fifth spot at the end which could be also good end for them after having worst every start of this season and staying into relegation zone for the first half of this season.
Most chances we are going to have no changes in next season as well because all teams are doing good and have chance to stay at these spots, but Ajax can create room for themselves which will create good, interesting competition and action-packed matches for the fans.

Ajax have been very poor this season and yes we understand that it’s normal for every big club to decline at a certain stage especially after undergoing all what Ajax went. They sold out their key players and even let a good manager as ETH leave the club, then I think what’s happening to them is just a repercussion of the decisions they took some seasons ago
 
 ⁠Now the players mentality are now average and as such they’re playing just like an average team because they’re mot participating in major European competitions anymore. They were in the Europa but were knocked out and I think that real affected the team’s performance as their mentality dropped so low. Them not playing in Europe, I think affects both the players and the club generally as they will not be able to attract young talents since they’re just going to be playing domestically.

 They’re currently in 5th place and with about 3 matches to go, you’ll begin to imagine how possible it is for them to be in 4th place. Well it’s very slim because az Alkmaar will have to lose all the final 3 games without getting even the least draw amd funny enough it’s more impossible. ⁠It’s quite possible for them to bounce back next season since they’ll majorly be focusing on the domestic league, they can use their collective talents and develop strong mentality of finishing top of the league. This will help them get back stronger than ever.

Well with yesterday results Ajax willing to go into more spots in the eredivisie is no longer available. I dont was expecting at all the win from Az over Twente, more thinking about Az was falling in key matches in several ocasions in this season.

So well we have the 4 first spot decided, and maybe the 5 also, or not Ajax.....

Actually Ajax will be participating in the Europa by next season so i think they have tried well enough to hwv gotten to this point where they can get to secure such qualifications because If we should look back in time at the beginning of the season, Ajax did had a terrible performance and so were their results also poor a d it was obvious they had a very bad productivity and one will think they were going to end the season relegated.

This has been the reason why I still say Ajax finishing at the fifth position making them eligible to play in the Europa again is actually an achievement for them because I expected They would have done much lesser but now they have hopes of participation in another league away from the eredivisie next season. Their motivation was actually down earlier which I think emanated from the change of their head coach but then they had a rapid recovery which brought them this far later on, ofcourse other teams aren't asleep and would not just allow anybody displace them if not it's possible Ajax would have gone beyond the sixth position.

The europa is like the second biggest elite league across Europe after the champions league so contrary to your statement about the players knowing they are not going to play inna big league I think they are actually going to do so in the Europa and if they want the champions league they will have to work hard next season and they can achieve it. By the way congratulations to PSV it's a wells deserved victory.

PSV Eindhoven beat Sparta Rotterdam 4-2 to win the 2024 Dutch title on today. Congrats PSV. PSV clinched their 25th Dutch Eredivisie title with two matches to spare, and it is their first domestic success since 2018. Ajax, who are in lower ranks this season, are the record holders in the Netherlands' top-tier league with 36 titles.

Following the home win, PSV have 87 points in 32 matches. Last season's Dutch champions Feyenoord are currently in the second position with 75 points.

Winning in Rotterdam derby is great way to take title. And match itself wasn't bad, Sparta gave great fight. PSVwas so dominant this season that probably already in the middle of season there was no doubts about who will win trophy. It's only sad that they didn't managed to make Invincibles season without defeats. And offcourse, they wanted to go further in UEFA cup than they did this year.
AZ took important win against direct competitor for spot in Champions league Twente. Now they still have chance to reach Twente as they're leading by 2 points.

That's not true, now they're 5th what would give them spot in Europa league qualification. If they will finish 6th, they will have playoff between 6-9 placed teams for spot in Conference league.

PSV 4 - 2 Sparta Rotterdam

it was an incredible victory for PSV, with this victory PSV became champions, in recent years PSV had been fighting hard to win the league and they were unlucky because Feyenoord managed to overcome them and they became champions, but this season PSV finally managed win the league. I believe that the coach and management of the team and the players are very happy with this result, they had a great campaign this season, there were 32 games, 28 wins, 1 loss, 107 goals scored. It's incredible how they managed to score 107 goals in 32 games, this shows how they have a very efficient attack.



source: https://www.instagram.com/p/C6lmOYbIVpn/?g=5&img_index=1

Congratulations to PSV, they deserve it, they were the best team this season.

Volendam 1 - 4 Ajax

Despite this incredible victory for Ajax, they have no chance of going to the European competitions, and what Ajax is going through is a lot of humiliation, finishing in position 5 is very disappointing, when I look at the table:



and I see that Ajax is in position 5 and would need 9 points to reach the team in position 4, then I think: it's a lot of disappointment, normally we should be talking about them being close to being champions or becoming champions, but we are talking about They couldn't even be in the top 4 and are far from reaching the top 4 team. I wonder how they will be able to compete against these teams that will go to European competitions next season and will have more financial resources and be able to strengthen themselves even more.

Congratulations to PSV and Feyenoord, PSV became champions and Feyenoord vice-champions. PSV have scored 107 goals so far this season, so not without scoring so many goals and the season is not over yet.

Next season can only get better for Ajax, this season was really forgettable.

It's a shame they only play in the domestic league next season. That's terrible for team officials and players. I think many players don't like only playing in the domestic league especially if it is Ajax. Some people are betting that Ajax will be champions at the end of the season. They managed to be in the top 3 last season and currently Ajax is ranked fifth. I think it will be very impossible for them to catch AZ Alkmaar in fourth position. Ajax must win the remaining 3 matches and Alkmaar loses in a row in all matches.

I hope Ajax can be better next season. They should be able to get into the top 3 or even become champions next season. They don't have a schedule for international competitions so they can focus on the Eredivise.

Yeah not only Ajax and Ajax fans were super dissapointing with this performance i think also bettors, and we are in the gambling section, how many bets detroy this Ajax?

I think the number if we can have one is gonna be huge, because we have the people who support Ajax whatever they go, and also the people who thinks, well this bad run is over lets put some money on them because they are gonna start to win...... and well we all know how it ended.

Ajax at this point have been a shadow of themselves and since ETH left the club, they have not been able to perform at the top level where they do. Well now this kind of performance grew very badly this season especially in the league as you see them always struggling and they even got eliminated in the conference league.

 Their problem can be tracked down to the poor shape of the team due to them selling out on their key players like ANthony, Martinez, De Jong, De Ligt etc. when a club sells her major players without having a proper plan for replacement brings the club to doom and that’s where Ajax are now this season both in the league qnd in Europe. Also departure of key persons in the team’s management is one big one that also affected the team performance and yes they can track back.

 The issue will be will they be able to have the patience while they track back?I think the Board should now try to be able to balance getting financial sustainability and the general club’s performance because while selling out they should also make room to be able to get some major signings. Ajax board need to sit down and get the perfect way out of this challenge then they can get the team back to the main strata.

Ajax this season has become a team that is indeed unreliable in competing for trophies, this season they have been eliminated in the Conference League by Aston Villa, Ajax poor performance this season has made them also slumped in the league, the number of main players who have left in recent seasons has certainly made Ajax performance continue to decline and this season it seems that it will be difficult for us to see Ajax can again dominate the Eredivisie like he previous seasons, at this time it seems impossible for us to see if Ajax can return to play in the Champions League next season after they are far behind the Champions League zone, and even to catch FC Twente in the Champions League qualifiers seems difficult because the difference in points that are very far and also the remaining 3 match.


At present, Ajax opportunity is only to stay in the European qualification zone, and but of course it will be difficult for them to get Europa League tickets if they do not immediately improve their performance in the rest of the season, reportedly at this time Ajax has begun to approach several coaches including Ten Hag to face competition next season, but I think Ajax current slump is not the coach's fault, but we can say it is the impact of greedy Ajax management who continue to sell their star players when a big offer came to their table during this time.