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November 13, 2022, 07:23:50 PM
That was a great show from Outsiders. This is why I'm not trusting enough of Heroic when they won against FURIA. They have their moments, but somehow they're not stable enough to win consistently. Congrats to Outsiders who literally outgunned, outmaneuvered, and outclassed Heroic in just 2 maps. You can tell that these guys grind so hard because of how smooth everything is in their execution and their retakes. 16-5 in OVP is really depressing for Heroic, considering that that map is heavily CT sided, and they didn't make something great out of it.

I already saw how good they are in the game when they played C9 in the quarterfinals. They are very adept in the game, and they move as one. Jame's mechanical skills are also top notch. I know they could win against Heroic, I just did not expect them to dominate them this much. Heroic did not have much to show in Overpass. They were massacred in that map. I thought they could turn around when they switch sides and it is Heroics turn on CT but they could not do anything against Outsiders. Outsiders deserve to lift the trophy.

In Mirage, Heroic was still able to give a good fight but in Overpass, they are totally overwhelmed by Outsiders.

Now I feel stupid for taking Heroic to win the grand finale though. I totally would have gone with Outsiders to win or normal circumstances but Heroic was impressive yesterday against Furia so I thought they would have a solid chance to pull this one off again. I wished it was 3 maps though because I had another bet on over 2.5 maps but its just silly


Heroic already achieved too much. Defeating Team Liquid in the Legends stage, then Team Spirit in the quarterfinals before dropping Furia in the Semis. It is not a bad achievement. Outsiders just have better mechanical skills, coordination, and understanding of the game. It is just not yet Heroic's time to be champion this year.
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November 13, 2022, 06:45:16 PM
In Mirage, Heroic was still able to give a good fight but in Overpass, they are totally overwhelmed by Outsiders.

Now I feel stupid for taking Heroic to win the grand finale though. I totally would have gone with Outsiders to win or normal circumstances but Heroic was impressive yesterday against Furia so I thought they would have a solid chance to pull this one off again. I wished it was 3 maps though because I had another bet on over 2.5 maps but its just silly
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November 13, 2022, 05:40:57 PM
It can be prevented if the stage that they're playing on has some soundproofing into it. You notice that even the English casters can hear what the local casters are shouting, especially the crowd given how aggressive the noise cancellation of these professional casters have on their mic. Then again, who can beat the "home court advantage" anyway? It boosts the morale of the players, which arguably makes them perform a lot better and with the sound cues and all that, it makes the home team extremely easy.
But I guess the organizers know what to set up on the main stage. I think that setup is great if we're going to go back around 10 years ago when tournaments are always a hype and it's like an event that comes every now and then.

These days, that won't help and it's not a good setup on the main stage when the crowd noise will be mixing with your gameplay. Well, anyway Furia ended 3rd-4th and congratulations to Outsiders.
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November 13, 2022, 05:34:06 PM
Honestly it was a much easier win than I expected. Outsiders just demolished Heroic by 2-0. It isn't only a demolition by this score in fact. It is the same when it comes to map scores also. 16-12 on Mirage and 16-5 on Overpass were really huge wins.
Yup, the first half of both maps kind of decided the outcome tbh, Outsiders looked like they were in control in both maps, and then heading into the second half it was just a matter of time until they can get to 16.

I feel dumb for taking Heroic but that's just how it is sometimes. Still happy with how many bonuses I got from the tournament though.  Tongue

However Jame has been chosen for the MVP prize of the whole Major. I think that this is a deserved prize because his AWP skills were really impressive to watch.
Same here, well-deserved for Jame, and the AWP clutches were just insane from him throughout the tournament.
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November 13, 2022, 05:32:58 PM
That was a great show from Outsiders. This is why I'm not trusting enough of Heroic when they won against FURIA. They have their moments, but somehow they're not stable enough to win consistently. Congrats to Outsiders who literally outgunned, outmaneuvered, and outclassed Heroic in just 2 maps. You can tell that these guys grind so hard because of how smooth everything is in their execution and their retakes. 16-5 in OVP is really depressing for Heroic, considering that that map is heavily CT sided, and they didn't make something great out of it.
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November 13, 2022, 05:12:34 PM
Honestly it was a much easier win than I expected. Outsiders just demolished Heroic by 2-0. It isn't only a demolition by this score in fact. It is the same when it comes to map scores also. 16-12 on Mirage and 16-5 on Overpass were really huge wins. Overpass was even picked by Heroic but they were really embarrassed by a solid performance by Outsiders. FL1T is very close to be chosen for the top player of the final series. His performance was really wonderful - 23 kills on Mirage, 29 kills on Overpass.

However Jame has been chosen for the MVP prize of the whole Major. I think that this is a deserved prize because his AWP skills were really impressive to watch.

legendary
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November 13, 2022, 05:04:15 PM
IEM RIO MAJOR has now concluded.

Congratulations to OUTSIDERS for bagging the IEM RIO Major 2022.

They should great mechanical skills and complete understanding of the game. They put Heroic into a clinic as they overpowered them in both maps Mirage and Overpass.

In Mirage, Heroic was still able to give a good fight but in Overpass, they are totally overwhelmed by Outsiders. Jame is extra great in the finals. He is a monster.
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November 13, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
The grand final has finally started.

The maps are Mirage (picked by Outsiders), Overpass (picked by Heroic) and Inferno. We have left the first half on Mirage behind. Outsiders are 8-7 ahead now. Actually both teams are strong on all maps. So every map is open for a surprise. As for my favourite, I also believe it was worth betting on Outsiders at an odd over 2.00. It was worth a try because there is a huge development in Outsiders' performance for a long time. I can say the same thing for Heroic as well. But Outsiders have a big potential to win despite being the underdog.
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November 13, 2022, 03:10:32 PM
That loss from FURIA reminded me of Cloud9's series, from another potential 2-0 but the momentum from Heroic suddenly kicks in during OT then it just kept on going heading into Nuke.

After watching both series today, it's tough to pick a team to win the grand finals when both of them showed a dominant T side in the decider map. Outsiders @2.00 would be the value bet but I want to take Heroic @1.7 after their grueling series against FURIA.

Heroic really stepping up whenever they are in the backfoot. Only a handful of people surely supported and expected them to overcome FURIA seeing how the latter showed dominant performance (and being the crowd favorite) for this tournament. Never knew they can muster everything they have and performed like they did on that series.

Outsiders is a value bet, but Heroic is just on fire right now to not take up that 1.7 IMO.
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November 13, 2022, 02:30:12 PM
That loss from FURIA reminded me of Cloud9's series, from another potential 2-0 but the momentum from Heroic suddenly kicks in during OT then it just kept on going heading into Nuke.

They won against Navi which is arguably one of the best team around then somehow lost to Heroic. Well yeah Heroic is a pretty decent team as well but if they could beat Navi up then they would have won that game though. I had my hopes up when they won the 1st map then they could have won the 2nd map as well but shit happens then somehow 3rd one was pretty miserable though



I want to take Heroic @1.7 after their grueling series against FURIA.

Same thought right there.

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November 13, 2022, 01:26:23 PM
That loss from FURIA reminded me of Cloud9's series, from another potential 2-0 but the momentum from Heroic suddenly kicks in during OT then it just kept on going heading into Nuke.

After watching both series today, it's tough to pick a team to win the grand finals when both of them showed a dominant T side in the decider map. Outsiders @2.00 would be the value bet but I want to take Heroic @1.7 after their grueling series against FURIA.

That was surprising. I thought Furia already had it in the bag. I was not able to finish watching the game, but Furia was in the lead, so I thought they already got the slot for the finals. But I checked now, and I see Heroic won the second map and third. This might have disappointed the crowd, but I guess they will support heroic on the finals. They cheered for Heroic on their match against team Spirit. I guess the crowd will support them again against the Outsiders.

But for the finals, I will bet on Outsiders to win the game. They are more strategic in every map they play. Heroic is favorite @1.67 while Outsiders is @2.12. I like the odds of Outsiders.
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November 13, 2022, 12:15:36 PM
There is a show match being played right now before the Major finale by the way.

It is Brazil vs Sweden. The lineups are:

Brazil : fer - TACO - coldzera - FalleN - fnx
Sweden : f0rest - olofmeister - karrigan - GeT_RiGhT - friberg

As far as I can see there is no option to bet on this match now. This has made me a little sad because it'd have been fun. It is BO1 and the map is Train. I must admit that I've really missed this map since it was removed from the map pool in tournaments. I've always wondered why they removed it also. I knew that Cache was removed due to fps problems. But if I'm not wrong there wasn't such thing on Train. Anyway I'm favouring Brazil for the win and they are already 3-0 ahead.
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November 12, 2022, 10:06:33 PM
That loss from FURIA reminded me of Cloud9's series, from another potential 2-0 but the momentum from Heroic suddenly kicks in during OT then it just kept on going heading into Nuke.

After watching both series today, it's tough to pick a team to win the grand finals when both of them showed a dominant T side in the decider map. Outsiders @2.00 would be the value bet but I want to take Heroic @1.7 after their grueling series against FURIA.
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November 12, 2022, 06:52:23 PM
Outsiders has locked in a slot for the finals. They have beaten Mouz after 3 maps. I thought they would take it in just 2 maps, but Mouz was able to come back on Overpass and forced a third map. But their effort was not enough because Outsiders dominated them in Inferno. Outsiders are very intelligent players and their tactics worked very well against Mouz.



Furia is currently leading in the first map against Heroic. And as usual, the crowd is going wild chanting for Furia. The crowd is really powering Furia and as usual Kscerato is performing very well again in front of his countrymen.

My only sensible take for the Furia phenomena is to bet 3 maps because Heroic can surely put up enough resistance for that as can Furia and I think whoever wins does not do so easily.
  I'll keep the game on in mobile and hop in for a Furia bet if they lose map like what happened with vs Navi but so far both teams are being competitive imo.

That is a logical bet. I also think Heroic can take this to a third map. 


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November 12, 2022, 06:48:03 PM
My only sensible take for the Furia phenomena is to bet 3 maps because Heroic can surely put up enough resistance for that as can Furia and I think whoever wins does not do so easily.
  I'll keep the game on in mobile and hop in for a Furia bet if they lose map like what happened with vs Navi but so far both teams are being competitive imo.
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November 12, 2022, 06:33:36 PM
Well...I've said that RIO crowd will push Furia towards the finals and so far they are doing it but Kaserato is on a god tier level right now and I cannot see him missing his shots in the semi-finals today against Heroic.
Kscerato is really one of the best players that I've seen.

Well, the recent match of Furia and NaVi isn't all about NaVi against Furia. But it was NaVi versus the entire crowd or let's say that it was against the entirety of Brazil. Tongue

It's really hard to go against with a crowd and you don't have a sound proof room. The stage was open and those crowd cheers were disturbing and pressuring Navi.

Exactly. I get that the fans are looking to root for their brothers, but man that is just not a good thing to distract the enemy team just because you are siding your countrymen. Hopefully these events in the future will have a soundproof room, or at least a room wherein the sound is significantly reduced so that the players will not get distracted by any chance. It's a bad thing that this could have been easily a great match wherein both teams will be giving their all, but the audience is just not in favor of Navi and are obviously giving sound cues to Furia which, in return, helps them significantly.
Well, that normally happens in most host countries.

It can be helped and the visitors, even they're the best team. They can get easily distracted that will result to their standing and performances.

That's why whoever controls the crowd even if they're running short, they still have a high chance to win and thanks to the fans and countrymen out there to cheer for their home team.

It can be prevented if the stage that they're playing on has some soundproofing into it. You notice that even the English casters can hear what the local casters are shouting, especially the crowd given how aggressive the noise cancellation of these professional casters have on their mic. Then again, who can beat the "home court advantage" anyway? It boosts the morale of the players, which arguably makes them perform a lot better and with the sound cues and all that, it makes the home team extremely easy.
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November 12, 2022, 06:20:01 PM
Well...I've said that RIO crowd will push Furia towards the finals and so far they are doing it but Kaserato is on a god tier level right now and I cannot see him missing his shots in the semi-finals today against Heroic.
Kscerato is really one of the best players that I've seen.

Well, the recent match of Furia and NaVi isn't all about NaVi against Furia. But it was NaVi versus the entire crowd or let's say that it was against the entirety of Brazil. Tongue

It's really hard to go against with a crowd and you don't have a sound proof room. The stage was open and those crowd cheers were disturbing and pressuring Navi.

Exactly. I get that the fans are looking to root for their brothers, but man that is just not a good thing to distract the enemy team just because you are siding your countrymen. Hopefully these events in the future will have a soundproof room, or at least a room wherein the sound is significantly reduced so that the players will not get distracted by any chance. It's a bad thing that this could have been easily a great match wherein both teams will be giving their all, but the audience is just not in favor of Navi and are obviously giving sound cues to Furia which, in return, helps them significantly.
Well, that normally happens in most host countries.

It can be helped and the visitors, even they're the best team. They can get easily distracted that will result to their standing and performances.

That's why whoever controls the crowd even if they're running short, they still have a high chance to win and thanks to the fans and countrymen out there to cheer for their home team.
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November 12, 2022, 04:33:06 PM
Furia swinging that win is kinda incredible, when they lost the first map but just barely I put on a bet at 4.5x odds for them to win.  I take no credit, I was just hedging my other bet for Navi but at those odds despite being wrong elsewhere I broke even but they surprised many people there.   Partly its down to Navi not quite being 100% understandably and also Furia outperforming on home turf.

Outsiders to take this win I think is a fair bet
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November 12, 2022, 01:28:51 PM
Well...I've said that RIO crowd will push Furia towards the finals and so far they are doing it but Kaserato is on a god tier level right now and I cannot see him missing his shots in the semi-finals today against Heroic.
Kscerato is really one of the best players that I've seen.

Well, the recent match of Furia and NaVi isn't all about NaVi against Furia. But it was NaVi versus the entire crowd or let's say that it was against the entirety of Brazil. Tongue

It's really hard to go against with a crowd and you don't have a sound proof room. The stage was open and those crowd cheers were disturbing and pressuring Navi.

Exactly. I get that the fans are looking to root for their brothers, but man that is just not a good thing to distract the enemy team just because you are siding your countrymen. Hopefully these events in the future will have a soundproof room, or at least a room wherein the sound is significantly reduced so that the players will not get distracted by any chance. It's a bad thing that this could have been easily a great match wherein both teams will be giving their all, but the audience is just not in favor of Navi and are obviously giving sound cues to Furia which, in return, helps them significantly.
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November 12, 2022, 01:25:55 PM
It's really hard to go against with a crowd and you don't have a sound proof room. The stage was open and those crowd cheers were disturbing and pressuring Navi.

I dont think thats the case though. Pretty sure that Navi's teams were using all that top end headphone so it should be soundproof with all those in game sounds as well. The pressure is abit different for sure but they are people that are paid to play those game and its just part of their joib so its pretty similar to how football players are playing in an away game



Took this because I know Furia is going to win another round today

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