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Quote from: boltz on September 01, 2022, 07:26:07 AM

TI regional qualifiers begin next week right ? Any surprises that you can see by it ? Maybe Liquid not qualifying ? Soniqs will face The Cut most likely in the finals but Soniqs are a better team when they play serious dota as we saw that whey they took 2-0 on PSG in last major even if they lost all the other games besides that one haha.

Most of the qualifiers are scheduled to start next week while the first two qualifiers (SA and CIS) start in a few days. Team Liquid has been somewhat consistent against EU teams but they've been a hit or miss against other regional teams so I also have to agree with jakelyson that they're likely going to take one of the three spots and I think it comes down between them and Team Secret to take the first spot.

For me, SEA and CIS are the regions that could put up a surprise since there are so many teams that I think are on the same level or can keep up with the other teams but i'm not sure if they could maintain those level of play throughout the qualifiers.

The LPL Regionals starts later today and i'll be betting on EDG since they went on a surprising run in the playoffs finishing top 3 and if they show the same performance heading into this series then I think they should take down RNG again.

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I wasn't wrong about fnatic today. They really managed to win on Ancient by 16-14 and at least didn't give up earlier against NaVi. Starting 1-0 behind might make some other teams in trouble maybe but NaVi were quite cold-blooded about that. They won 16-8 on Mirage and 16-7 on Inferno. This was still a comfortable matchup for them in general. However this was a good sign about fnatic to reborn slowly again. If they continue to play well we can see them among tier 1 teams again after some time.

There was a big difference in s1mple's performance between Mirage and Inferno maps by the way. Even though he was very ineffective on Inferno, electroNic and Perfecto were there to carry the team. It is very important for NaVi to do this when s1mple plays inconsistently. This shows how capable they still are when he isn't in charge.

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Quote from: Trofo on September 01, 2022, 03:23:48 AM

Can't wait for it, my results in last 2 DOTA tournaments were unbelievably good so I am looking forward to make some big bets. Been bleeding money on tennis and football evere since ESL one finished.

I've been bleeding because most of my bets on ESL One ended up losing big time. I totally went from parlay to a single bet and none wins lol. Especially on the final day when OG decided to wake up then sweep the entire game without losing a single map

Anyway, TI qualifiers would be nasty though as most teams will not be messing around this time. For some region like NA and SA, the favourites teams might just ended up winning but nasty EU region will most likely kinda unpredictable. Glad that we are starting with SA and EEU region first for the qualifier

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Spirit managed to defeat their rival endpoint even though it was hard. Honestly, despite the power difference between the 2 teams, I couldn't understand why spirit had such a hard time beating endpoint. They shouldn't have had such a hard time when they had better quality and younger players.

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NaVi vs fnatic has started already and we are on first map, Ancient. Actually this is a really bad map for NaVi while it is the opposite for fnatic. However NaVi are still very comfortable at the moment like 10-2. Grin

fnatic are still in development of course but their winning against NIP made me really excited about them. nicoodoz and roeJ had really impressive efforts. I thought that maybe they could make difficulties for the team at the top on a map but it looks like they won't be able to bother them at all.

The second map is Mirage by the way and it is one of the most comfortable maps for NaVi. So it should end by 2-0 without big problems. fnatic still have a long way to go to reach the level of top tier teams and beat them.

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Quote from: boltz on September 01, 2022, 07:26:07 AM

TI regional qualifiers begin next week right ? Any surprises that you can see by it ? Maybe Liquid not qualifying ? Soniqs will face The Cut most likely in the finals but Soniqs are a better team when they play serious dota as we saw that whey they took 2-0 on PSG in last major even if they lost all the other games besides that one haha.

Liquid not qualifying is actually a joke going around reddit right now. We will most probably see Insania accepting a panelist spot yet again since the West EU qualifiers will be stacked. You got a lot of TI hopefuls this year and a lot of those are tier 1/2 teams that haven't made it through the DPC system.

I'm interested on how far the Outsiders will go through the qualifiers in the CIS region. They will most probably crush it and be the winners but we still don't know for sure.

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Quote from: boltz on September 01, 2022, 07:26:07 AM

TI regional qualifiers begin next week right ? Any surprises that you can see by it ? Maybe Liquid not qualifying ? Soniqs will face The Cut most likely in the finals but Soniqs are a better team when they play serious dota as we saw that whey they took 2-0 on PSG in last major even if they lost all the other games besides that one haha.

I not expecting Liquid to qualify but I expect them to finish at least in the top three of Western Europe. I am expecting team Secret to come out of the top of the WEU qualifier. +

While on ESL Pro League, Team Spirit took out Endpoint in double overtime. That was a nail-biting game. Team Spirit took everything just to beat Endpoint.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on September 01, 2022, 03:21:27 AM

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NIP are most likely to win the next one.

what a dogshit performance form NIP. 14-1 lead for Fnatic in map 2 Grin

i genuinely don't think this was a fluke win for Fnatic, NIP are looking a bit unstable after that EG match

I was just shocked to see that result. NIP lost both maps by 16-4. Let's say I understand Ancient because of NIP's being really bad there. But Overpass was a very positive map for them. How can they lose that too by the same score? hampus was just terrible in this match. 4 and 5 frags on these maps were no help for the team. But I don't think that he was the main problem of course. They are still out-of-form as a team and this form can cause them to be out of top 10 in no time also.

NaVi - fnatic and NIP - Vitality are the remaining good matches of the day. Navi @1.22 and Vitality @1.43 are pretty nice options. Maybe fnatic's defeating a tier 1 team can increase their self-confidence but I think there is no way they are doing the same against NaVi. Maybe they can win one map by picking a map NaVi are relatively weak. Vitality should be able to get past a this much weak NIP comfortably also.

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TI regional qualifiers begin next week right ? Any surprises that you can see by it ? Maybe Liquid not qualifying ? Soniqs will face The Cut most likely in the finals but Soniqs are a better team when they play serious dota as we saw that whey they took 2-0 on PSG in last major even if they lost all the other games besides that one haha.

Also , didn't we suppose to have CS:GO Rio Major soon ? What happened ?

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In the Fnatic view they worked very well on the Ancient map. Along with the bad result they got on the Ancient map, in the second map, NIP also got a very bad result on the Overpass map they chose, no one expected this, this was a surprise result for all e-sports bettors. Today will be Navi vs Fnatic match. I wonder if they will be able to play against Navi so easily or if their match against NIP was completely an exception. I don't think they will win, but I wonder how they will compete.

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Fnatic didn't let NiP play. I saw Hampus playing this badly after a long time. Fnatic really studied their opponent well. I think they will slowly get better. Navi, on the other hand, managed to defeat spirit as expected without much difficulty. Obviously it was an expected win.
Today I think spirit, navi and vitality will win.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 31, 2022, 11:58:07 PM

Two more days before TI11 regional qualifiers will officially start in eastern Europe and South America. I am not very familiar with the Chinese players but it seems that the region together with western Europe have the most crowded teams that are capable of winning.

Can't wait for it, my results in last 2 DOTA tournaments were unbelievably good so I am looking forward to make some big bets. Been bleeding money on tennis and football evere since ESL one finished.

Made a bet on Sandbox and over maps on other LOL final today but I am almost expecting to lose them. LOL was never my strong suite.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 31, 2022, 12:41:38 PM

NIP are most likely to win the next one.

what a dogshit performance form NIP. 14-1 lead for Fnatic in map 2 Grin

i genuinely don't think this was a fluke win for Fnatic, NIP are looking a bit unstable after that EG match

Quote from: ralle14 on August 31, 2022, 09:18:54 PM

League is back later today and i'll be taking the over 4.5 on the LPL finals (JDG vs TES) since the odds haven't moved and I think it's worth going for after what happened during the semi-finals.

https://i.imgur.com/9aM4wZD.png

LCK Regionals (DWG vs LSB) is also starting at the same time, not touching that series even though it's another tight matchup I think it's more likely going to end with a 3-1 scoreline if DWG decides to continue playing with Burdol instead of Nuguri just like their series against T1.

good luck

after a profitable day yesterday, i'm totally ready for some dissapointment today 🥲

low stakes on both cos they're extremely biased picks, they're my two favorites teams from each region. serious picks will go to the ESL Pro League

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One of the greatest teams with new members is the OG and again they show themselves with the latest matchup between the game of the ESL One Malaysia the finals against team Aster. In the game one it is already in favor with the team Aster because of the Enigma but still the OG manage to win and because the mistake of the positioning of the Aster. with the game two its already have the higher chance of the OG to win because they have a good ember mid, late game terror blade and nyx for counter and this gg push they make a small mistake because monet phantom assassins got rampage.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 31, 2022, 11:58:07 PM

Two more days before TI11 regional qualifiers will officially start in eastern Europe and South America. I am not very familiar with the Chinese players but it seems that the region together with western Europe have the most crowded teams that are capable of winning.

West Europe: Team Secret, Nigma, Entity, and Liquid
China: RNG, Extreme Gaming, Invictus, and Vici
Eastern Europe: Outsiders, BetBoom and Navi
Southeast Asia: T1 and Talon
North America: Soniqs and nouns
South America: Infamous

Those two regions will be fun to watch come TI qualifiers. Team secret and Nigma will be favorites for sure to qualify to TI but I think Entity and Liquid will give a good fight too. I think Liquid has become less and less competitive their past year.

I am surprised that there is no more top teams in SA. Is infamous the only strong team in that region? I am not very familiar with South American teams.

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Two more days before TI11 regional qualifiers will officially start in eastern Europe and South America. I am not very familiar with the Chinese players but it seems that the region together with western Europe have the most crowded teams that are capable of winning.

West Europe: Team Secret, Nigma, Entity, and Liquid
China: RNG, Extreme Gaming, Invictus, and Vici
Eastern Europe: Outsiders, BetBoom and Navi
Southeast Asia: T1 and Talon
North America: Soniqs and nouns
South America: Infamous

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League is back later today and i'll be taking the over 4.5 on the LPL finals (JDG vs TES) since the odds haven't moved and I think it's worth going for after what happened during the semi-finals.

LCK Regionals (DWG vs LSB) is also starting at the same time, not touching that series even though it's another tight matchup I think it's more likely going to end with a 3-1 scoreline if DWG decides to continue playing with Burdol instead of Nuguri just like their series against T1.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on August 31, 2022, 05:57:26 AM

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I expect NaVi to win on Nuke - Dust2 both and complete the series as the winner by 2-0.

Spirit picked Nuke which is NaVi's third best map, i guess this is where they felt the most comfortable during boot camp? but still, i don't see them winning this map, NaVi -1.5 @1.5 wasn't good value, so i went with a fan favorite: s1mple and total kills +21 *edit s1mple avg kills last month was like 24 or 25, now he cant even break 19 kills back-to-back Sad

i'll skip Vit - Endpoint and place some bets on NIP - Fnatic, i think fnatic can put up a fierce fight, they've been fantastic in the IEM Road To Rio qualifiers, specially nicoodoz, let's see if he can keep up that same energy today

I'm really surprised to see s1mple like this for some matches. Since he was gone and came back, he hasn't been like the s1mple we've known so far. We've been used to watching him carrying the team nearly in all of the matches. This time Perfecto and b1t did this job on each map.

However this play of s1mple on Nuke was really delightful. Grin

He got 4 AWP kills on bomb site B: https://clips.twitch.tv/CorrectTsundereBisonBCouch--KNOmoWK9QyL_pl7?tt_content=url&tt_medium=clips_api

It was an easy peasy match for Vitality also by 2-0. Endpoint weren't even close to their quality. Now we have a NIP - fnatic match which started moments ago. The map choices are Ancient, Overpass and Nuke. fnatic are playing great on Ancient and I believe they will win this map. NIP are most likely to win the next one. However as for the decider, fnatic might have a chance to beat their opponent because they have a 100% win rate on Nuke in 8 matches there. The only question mark is whether they will manage to beat a tier 1 team after a long time. The new roster is getting better but I still doubt this match a lot.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on August 30, 2022, 04:31:28 PM

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 30, 2022, 04:41:22 AM

It's not only PSG.LGD but almost every Chinese team. We can say that they're the strongest in the region and yet they're being beaten by these EU teams.

The sad fate of Chinese teams. Their play in DOTA is too honest that they go full force from the get go. They do not hide any strategy and use them starting from the group stage. That is why they always dominate the early stages because the teams have not adjusted yet to their gameplay. But in the later stages, there are already a lot of games the opponents can use as reference to adjust their game play. That is why Chinese teams seem to be weak on Game of 5 series because the opponents already know their strat. And most of the time, Chinese teams are stubborn to change even when they know they are already exposed.

Most Chinese teams do this. If there's any team that really stood out for me that came in China, that will be TI6 Wings Gaming. That team cannot be deciphered at their prime. All their strategies are out of the meta back then but it worked, and due to those strategies not having that much of a synergy, their opponents had a hard time figuring out what Wings really wanted to do on the game. For PSG.LGD and other current Chinese teams, they believe that their meta is always superior and that it cannot be beaten. TI8 PSG.LGD showed us just that. If they can get over the mindset that they're always the best, then perhaps they can easily win the finals of The International finally.

LGD had able to get that uncrowned kings but cant really be denied that they are really that a top tier team but they do usually choke out on grand finals and even into other Chinese teams out there.

The one thing i do notice is that whenever LGD against other team with BO5 and once they do lost then they do lost up that composure and chill or simply saying that they are too fragile when it comes
to emotion or simply be fatigued specially on their carry Ame. You could really notice it out on their gameplays.

Ame is actually the one who has it all together during high-pressure games. It's their team coach that is stressing too much when LGD's foothold on the game is losing. Xiao8 is an extremely good strategist and coach on paper but on times like BO5s wherein LGD lost the first game, or lost the second game after a very convincing first game performance, he's struggling to get his shit together and lets his team play a game that is not really that good. Their drafts become hazy and their strengths wither away after losing those early games. Fy is also that old player that you think has all that it takes to win but chokes when faced with a loss.

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Quote from: jakelyson on August 30, 2022, 08:26:53 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on August 30, 2022, 04:41:22 AM

It's not only PSG.LGD but almost every Chinese team. We can say that they're the strongest in the region and yet they're being beaten by these EU teams.

The sad fate of Chinese teams. Their play in DOTA is too honest that they go full force from the get go. They do not hide any strategy and use them starting from the group stage. That is why they always dominate the early stages because the teams have not adjusted yet to their gameplay. But in the later stages, there are already a lot of games the opponents can use as reference to adjust their game play. That is why Chinese teams seem to be weak on Game of 5 series because the opponents already know their strat. And most of the time, Chinese teams are stubborn to change even when they know they are already exposed.

Yeah, that's a good analysis. They should hide some of their strategies and use them only when they get to the finals or close to it to secure their place. They're disciplined, no doubt but sometimes they need to be hideous with their strategies. It is because most of the teams eyes are on them because they're one of the respected regions and most of them really are strong.
Well, the qualifiers are near to date and it's scheduled per region and that's a good thing so we can watch more games not at the same time.

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