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Topic: ✅ɃETCOIN.AG - POKER CLOSING - 42 BTC BBJP??? ✅ - page 13. (Read 12808 times)

sr. member
Activity: 433
Merit: 251
Some thoughts:

1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org

2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.

This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.

3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?

4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.

This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have an army of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!

100 percent average rakeback?  You're math skills are absolutely astute.  

Explain the mistake(s) in the calculation (Xiaoxiao was not able):

It is mathematically and juridically absolute correct to use the average numbers and as long as Xiaoxiao do not put the real numbers on the table, I take that one:

1) Referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) 33% fix from betcoin.ag in form of Xiaoxiao + 30% vip rakeback + 25% tablestarter = 88% in average + the countless too good to be true promotions, (do not know) maybe 12% in average = 100% rakeback in average!!!

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 100% back to players and made a 0% gross revenue

4) Xiaoxiao received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Xiaoxiao's behaviour created a - 30 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  Roll Eyes


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

You must be the dumbest mf on forum. 58-133% doesn't mean average players get 95.5%. Most players are getting 58 - 80% and 80 is a very rare occurrence. I've got 3 referrals to xiao, one guy's a silver at around 53%, another is gold around 60 and then one guy is a emerald which is like 68%. Use your brain before you spew bs man.
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3284
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6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  Roll Eyes


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!
Maybe, just maybe, but maybe (<- didn't mean to use it again, but felt weird without) their rigged (for the most part) casino games generate good profits, as well as their sportsbook (pretty high margins). I don't think it's fair to accuse them like that without thinking about their sports volume and casino volume - not everything is poker.

While I do think Betcoin is a scummy site, I think your being too focused on attacking them.
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 1036
The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly  Grin
Is this account sold or what?

Every account that has spamsig is "sold".

Touche  Shocked Grin
sr. member
Activity: 249
Merit: 250
The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly  Grin
Is this account sold or what?

Every account that has spamsig is "sold".

betcoin.ag must like that ass-sucker hero account to debate for him, and they him nice. Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1189
The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly  Grin
Is this account sold or what?

Every account that has spamsig is "sold".
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 1036
The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly  Grin
Is this account sold or what?
legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1189
CJMultiaccounter is now trolling in here?  SAD.  Seems like he should find something better to do than go into a thread and try to derail it.  Typical Betcoin Employee tactics.

His last post was a couple hours before the cutoff time for their sig campaign end of stage.

He's made around 80 posts in the last 36 hours, guess he fell behind and wanted to make sure to get paid.



When your ABI is 40 cents, every penny counts I guess.
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 2093
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CJMultiaccounter is now trolling in here?  SAD.  Seems like he should find something better to do than go into a thread and try to derail it.  Typical Betcoin Employee tactics.

His last post was a couple hours before the cutoff time for their sig campaign end of stage.

He's made around 80 posts in the last 36 hours, guess he fell behind and wanted to make sure to get paid.

legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1189
CJMultiaccounter is now trolling in here?  SAD.  Seems like he should find something better to do than go into a thread and try to derail it.  Typical Betcoin Employee tactics.
hero member
Activity: 1344
Merit: 507
Some thoughts:

1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org

2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.

This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.

3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?

4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.

This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have an army of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!

100 percent average rakeback?  You're math skills are absolutely astute.  

Explain the mistake(s) in the calculation (Xiaoxiao was not able):

It is mathematically and juridically absolute correct to use the average numbers and as long as Xiaoxiao do not put the real numbers on the table, I take that one:

1) Referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) 33% fix from betcoin.ag in form of Xiaoxiao + 30% vip rakeback + 25% tablestarter = 88% in average + the countless too good to be true promotions, (do not know) maybe 12% in average = 100% rakeback in average!!!

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 100% back to players and made a 0% gross revenue

4) Xiaoxiao received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Xiaoxiao's behaviour created a - 30 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  Roll Eyes


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!
legendary
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@cjmoles

Could you please ask them what's up with these independent studies, statements and where this article is and why they are adding more Betsoft progressive Jackpots if nothing has been done?

they wont delete your post, i dont think

Nothing has been done about what?  It would help to know what needs to be done.  There hasn't been any conclusive evidence that there's a real problem with the provider....that's why somebody reputable needs to do an independent study.  It'd be interesting to analyze, for sure.  But, out of all the watchdogs, nobody's been able to provide anything that they are willing to stand behind and publish.  Not even casinolistings.com is confident enough in their own study to blacklist their affiliates....So far, nobody else has found their data credible enough to put forth their own effort to conduct an independent study.

Well, they said an article would be written soon to clarify the relationship between Casino and Software Provider.  

They basically said betsoft needs to explain themselves after the jasonort thing.

Then  nothing happened.

Now its almost November and they are adding more Betsoft progressive jackpots to their site and ignoring any question about the Betsoft issue.

Maybe they won't ignore you.  Give it a shot, why not?


legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1017
Can you get my money back from Tilt, UB, AP, or Lock?  No!  There hasn't been anybody who could....so, what makes your service special, thief?  
That's because you lost it before black friday.

No....the Lock Poker incident is fairly recent....last year.  And, AP came back and ran for a little while even after Black Friday....My bad though...I knew the risks.
legendary
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Can you get my money back from Tilt, UB, AP, or Lock?  No!  There hasn't been anybody who could....so, what makes your service special, thief?  
That's because you lost it before black friday.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1017
Some thoughts:

1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org

2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.

This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.

3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?

4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.

This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have an army of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!

100 percent average rakeback?  You're math skills are absolutely astute.  And, how can you find that being overly generous to their players is a sign that people should pay you for a litigation service that you really cannot honor?  Can you get my money back from Tilt, UB, AP, or Lock?  No!  There hasn't been anybody who could....so, what makes your service special, thief?  
legendary
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@cjmoles

Could you please ask them what's up with these independent studies, statements and where this article is and why they are adding more Betsoft progressive Jackpots if nothing has been done?

they wont delete your post, i dont think

Nothing has been done about what?  It would help to know what needs to be done.  There hasn't been any conclusive evidence that there's a real problem with the provider....that's why somebody reputable needs to do an independent study.  It'd be interesting to analyze, for sure.  But, out of all the watchdogs, nobody's been able to provide anything that they are willing to stand behind and publish.  Not even casinolistings.com is confident enough in their own study to blacklist their affiliates....So far, nobody else has found their data credible enough to put forth their own effort to conduct an independent study.

Well, they said an article would be written soon to clarify the relationship between Casino and Software Provider.  

They basically said betsoft needs to explain themselves after the jasonort thing.

Then  nothing happened.

Now its almost November and they are adding more Betsoft progressive jackpots to their site and ignoring any question about the Betsoft issue.

Maybe they won't ignore you.  Give it a shot, why not?


legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1017
@cjmoles

Could you please ask them what's up with these independent studies, statements and where this article is and why they are adding more Betsoft progressive Jackpots if nothing has been done?

they wont delete your post, i dont think

Nothing has been done about what?  It would help to know what needs to be done.  There hasn't been any conclusive evidence that there's a real problem with the provider....that's why somebody reputable needs to do an independent study.  It'd be interesting to analyze, for sure.  But, out of all the watchdogs, nobody's been able to provide anything that they are willing to stand behind and publish.  Not even casinolistings.com is confident enough in their own study to blacklist their affiliates....So far, nobody else has found their data credible enough to put forth their own effort to conduct an independent study.
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 2093
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Some thoughts:

1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org

2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.

This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.

3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?

4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.

This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have a heer of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!

5) 1 year ago they were running 10 btc freerolls every couple months.

6) 1 year ago they had no signature campaign

7) Now they pay over 6 btc per month to their sig campaign.
hero member
Activity: 1344
Merit: 507
Some thoughts:

1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org

2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.

This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.

3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?

4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.

This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have an army of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 2093
Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!
@cjmoles

Could you please ask them what's up with these independent studies, statements and where this article is and why they are adding more Betsoft progressive Jackpots if nothing has been done?

they wont delete your post, i dont think
sr. member
Activity: 980
Merit: 257
1) I am not a betcoin employee -- I am a volunteer
2) That is my private chat channel that has nothing to do with betcoin.ag
3) You can clearly see, in the context of the chat, that was several months old -- That I told someone... if they knew their friend had signuped up but the system didnt record it.. to have their friend re-sign up. I just wanted to person to get credit for referring a player.

It just so happened that in your campaign of hatred I didn't realize that you had taken something I said out of context and made it a personal attack on my character. You're angry because I, a human, made a suggestion?

You are attacking me personally. I have no idea 90% of the garbage that comes out of your mouth. You stalk my online accounts, you make false claims, you call my home and business.. you are sincerely inappropriate.

The difference between you and me:
I promote what I love... you promote what you hate...

Please, stop stalking/harrassing me it is really bothering me. Please stop talking about my children and my father. It is not appropriate.





first you said it was set up from ts then accepted it?
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