Topic: Evolution is a hoax - page 124. (Read 108173 times)

It's clear that badecker wont ever be convinced of anything that he is not already convinced of. I'm simply arguing with him because it's fun and hopefully helps people that are actually genuinely interested in these topics without being extremely biased.

By BADeckers own words god is supernatural.  By definition the supernatural requires belief in something not of the natural world...

As we have seen very clearly we can not have a rational natural science discussion when the supernatural is involved.

So another question BAD, is god supernatural?  A simple yes or no would be great!

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Yes? Quantum mechanics is a pretty solid theory that shows that LOL. The timing of the decay of a particular atom is random (to the best of our current knowledge). This is true for a lot of quantum mechanical effects and QM says they are unknowable. This is by the way much more important than finding the cause of a lot of meaningless things here on earth. Because if deep down, on a quantum level, things are truly random then a lot of things are actually truly random. Imagine atoms, if all their movements and actions are random then everything is random.

Again, until you prove that everything has a cause, you are wrong. (And even if radioactive decay has a cause, it still wont prove that everything has a cause)

I think everything in this world evolutes, we can see this with animals. So i don't think evolution is a hoax

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations. 

I neither like nor dislike god, personally I'm not able to like or dislike something that doesn't exist. 

Now take the whole machine universe out for a sec, stay on topic bud (I know you just love to through out the red herrings but focus for a sec), we were talking about C&E proving god and the bible making evolution a hoax.

You said EVERYTHING has a cause and effect.  Either god is something or nothing or supernatural and it's both. 

Now if you want to make the claim that it is nothing and something at the same time therefore he isn't subject to C&E then fine go ahead but understand now you're bringing the supernatural into it. 

Now that the supernatural is involved we can easily throw out every single argument you make as irrelevant, scientifically.  As such any claim you make about the validity of evolution must be subject to your belief system.

Either concede god is supernatural, which by definition takes science out of the equation and requires faith.
Or concede god is something which by your definition requires a cause and creates and endless loop of circular logic.
Or concede that we just don't actually know if there is a C&E for EVERYTHING.

If you want to run around telling people the earth is about 6000 years old and evolution is a hoax or any other horse shit you want, by all means go ahead that's your right.  But don't think for one second when you try and use supernatural to explain science that rational people wont laugh at your stupidity.

Now why is this relevant?  It's mostly young earth creationist and the religious community disputing things like the Theory of Evolution.  It is entirely fair to point out that that view requires a supernatural belief and incredible amount of faith.  Anyone reading the comments should know what agenda those kinds of people are pushing.

P.S  if you really think I'm OT here feel free to report me to the mods if they agree with you they will trash my posts and I won't care.

Actually, that is your suggestion that God doesn't exist. When you consider the machine nature of the universe, and that machines have makers, God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

So, you don't like God. What does that have to do with the fact that evolution is a hoax?

So you're saying he doesn't exist then. Thanks, I agree god is nothing!

First prove that God is a thing/a something/an everything. Once you prove that, then we can start to determine what God's cause might be. Up until then, we don't know that He needs a cause.

Answer the question:  WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF GOD

Since according to you EVERYTHING has a cause...

I don't blame you. Since your religion obviously doesn't include God, I can understand how you would be upset to find that God exists. But don't you want the truth? Consider:

Cause and effect, something that shows scientifically that everything is programmed to act the way it does within the whole universe, almost proves that God exists all by itself (C&E)!

You should study a little before you use defamatory statements.

This is the "Evolution is a hoax" thread. But I don't blame you for forgetting that part of this thread. Why not? It's so easy to realize that C&E proves God at the same time it disprove the evolution presented by evolution theory.

However, don't you want to find the real religion? Why would you continue with the foolish religion of evolution, and the foolish religion that doesn't have God in it? Think... so that you can live in reality rather than science fiction as you are living.

Or you could go with the real reason why we don't have a Scientific Theory of god which is clearly that such a Theory simply by nature can never pass the requirements of a Scientific Theory.

The vast majority of you posts are full of blatant bullshit, made up things from your crazy brain and flagrant misrepresentations.

I mean I get why your posts are full of that shit, it's literally all you have.

It's quite amusing to watch someone who has almost 0 understanding of the ACTUAL Scientific Theory of Evolution trying to argue against it.

You are so much like the Flat Earthers it's fucking creepy.

Go back to your incest filled, child killing, slavery manual written by warmongering goat herders that couldn't even fucking write at the time of supposed divination.

Leave science to people with an actual ability to think critically.

So what is the cause of god?

Well, of course, you're confused. That is the issue, or I wouldn't be responding to your confusion.

I'm saying that elements decay via cause and effect, just like everything else works through cause and effect. Is there a solid science theory that shows that elements don't decay by cause and effect? Cause and effect fits everything, because everything has action of some sort.

When you prove that everything has a cause, which you haven't yet I will agree with you.