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legendary
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December 23, 2017, 07:05:37 PM

Well you said that all the scientific evidence for evolution would fit better for creation so why don't we have a creation theory if what you said it's true?

If there isn't any creation theory, it's because no scientist made one up, yet. We both know that the body of science writing is so great, that we don't know that there isn't any creation theory.

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Yet you believe they made a hoax one but the one that's real, has no scientific theory? Makes sense to me Cool

Didn't I just say that there isn't any creation theory that we know of? Can't you read?

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''that we know of'' What you mean, that we know of. There isn't one because there is not even 1 single piece of evidence for it lmao.

There is lots of evidence for it. It's just that the financial powers that be have gone the route of not being interested in someone developing on. But if it has been developed, it simply has not been advertised.

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legendary
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December 23, 2017, 07:03:40 PM

Most mutations are neutral. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

You missed the part about cause and effect directing the mutations coming into being. This means that they don't really even fit the definition of mutation, even though they are something not normally seen.

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hero member
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December 23, 2017, 07:02:31 PM
I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

What about the peppered moth during the industrial revolution?


What about it? Until you show that there is pure random in the mix somewhere, all you are saying is that the moth was programmed into nature this way, by cause and effect, no matter what caused it. This is completely opposite evolution theory that depends on random mutations.

Cool

I already did, radioactive decay, until you prove there isn't pure random all you are saying is bullshit.

And I already showed you that when scientists make new elements that decay, they have created radioactive decay in the lab. Cause and effect.

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ROFL. What does that mean? You are saying that elements don't decay on their own or what's your argument here, I'm confused, you are just making things up now.
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December 23, 2017, 07:00:46 PM

Well you said that all the scientific evidence for evolution would fit better for creation so why don't we have a creation theory if what you said it's true?

If there isn't any creation theory, it's because no scientist made one up, yet. We both know that the body of science writing is so great, that we don't know that there isn't any creation theory.

Cool

Yet you believe they made a hoax one but the one that's real, has no scientific theory? Makes sense to me Cool

Didn't I just say that there isn't any creation theory that we know of? Can't you read?

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''that we know of'' What you mean, that we know of. There isn't one because there is not even 1 single piece of evidence for it lmao.
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December 23, 2017, 06:59:54 PM
I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

What about the peppered moth during the industrial revolution?


What about it? Until you show that there is pure random in the mix somewhere, all you are saying is that the moth was programmed into nature this way, by cause and effect, no matter what caused it. This is completely opposite evolution theory that depends on random mutations.

Cool

But even if there were random mutations, the odds are very great that beneficial random mutations would be far fewer in number than detrimental mutations. Their cumulative effect would be overcome by the detrimental mutations, and by the vast amount of places where no mutations occur, that they would be destroyed long before they could advance into some kind of evolution change.

Survival of the fittest would destroy the beneficial changes in just the same way that evolutionists try to use them to show evolutionary advances, but even more, because there are way few beneficial changes compared with detrimental changes and no changes. In fact, a beneficial mutation has not really been observed ever. There is no way to logically suggest beneficial mutations could survive, even if we could find one.

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Most mutations are neutral. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).

Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).
legendary
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December 23, 2017, 06:59:44 PM

Well you said that all the scientific evidence for evolution would fit better for creation so why don't we have a creation theory if what you said it's true?

If there isn't any creation theory, it's because no scientist made one up, yet. We both know that the body of science writing is so great, that we don't know that there isn't any creation theory.

Cool

Yet you believe they made a hoax one but the one that's real, has no scientific theory? Makes sense to me Cool

Didn't I just say that there isn't any creation theory that we know of? Can't you read?

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legendary
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December 23, 2017, 06:56:47 PM
I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

What about the peppered moth during the industrial revolution?


What about it? Until you show that there is pure random in the mix somewhere, all you are saying is that the moth was programmed into nature this way, by cause and effect, no matter what caused it. This is completely opposite evolution theory that depends on random mutations.

Cool

I already did, radioactive decay, until you prove there isn't pure random all you are saying is bullshit.

And I already showed you that when scientists make new elements that decay, they have created radioactive decay in the lab. Cause and effect.

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legendary
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December 23, 2017, 06:56:26 PM
I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

What about the peppered moth during the industrial revolution?


What about it? Until you show that there is pure random in the mix somewhere, all you are saying is that the moth was programmed into nature this way, by cause and effect, no matter what caused it. This is completely opposite evolution theory that depends on random mutations.

Cool

But even if there were random mutations, the odds are very great that beneficial random mutations would be far fewer in number than detrimental mutations. Their cumulative effect would be overcome by the detrimental mutations, and by the vast amount of places where no mutations occur, that they would be destroyed long before they could advance into some kind of evolution change.

Survival of the fittest would destroy the beneficial changes in just the same way that evolutionists try to use them to show evolutionary advances, but even more, because there are way few beneficial changes compared with detrimental changes and no changes. In fact, a beneficial mutation has not really been observed ever. There is no way to logically suggest beneficial mutations could survive, even if we could find one.

Cool
hero member
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December 23, 2017, 06:53:24 PM
I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

What about the peppered moth during the industrial revolution?


What about it? Until you show that there is pure random in the mix somewhere, all you are saying is that the moth was programmed into nature this way, by cause and effect, no matter what caused it. This is completely opposite evolution theory that depends on random mutations.

Cool

I already did, radioactive decay, until you prove there isn't pure random all you are saying is bullshit.
hero member
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December 23, 2017, 06:52:50 PM

Well you said that all the scientific evidence for evolution would fit better for creation so why don't we have a creation theory if what you said it's true?

If there isn't any creation theory, it's because no scientist made one up, yet. We both know that the body of science writing is so great, that we don't know that there isn't any creation theory.

Cool

Yet you believe they made a hoax one but the one that's real, has no scientific theory? Makes sense to me Cool
legendary
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December 23, 2017, 06:47:45 PM

Well you said that all the scientific evidence for evolution would fit better for creation so why don't we have a creation theory if what you said it's true?

If there isn't any creation theory, it's because no scientist made one up, yet. We both know that the body of science writing is so great, that we don't know that there isn't any creation theory.

Cool
legendary
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December 23, 2017, 06:44:28 PM
I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

What about the peppered moth during the industrial revolution?


What about it? Until you show that there is pure random in the mix somewhere, all you are saying is that the moth was programmed into nature this way, by cause and effect, no matter what caused it. This is completely opposite evolution theory that depends on random mutations.

Cool
hero member
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December 23, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

What about the peppered moth during the industrial revolution?


And plenty more but now he will just say his C&E bullshit or that the peppered moth ''only'' changed so why are we calling that change evolution, rofl. Because different changes require different names. Like a woman changing in a room is not evolution. But he wont understand that or rather he doesn't want to.
legendary
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December 23, 2017, 04:49:27 PM
I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

What about the peppered moth during the industrial revolution?
hero member
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December 23, 2017, 03:36:53 PM

Sure but you still haven't proved that everything has a cause nor shown what science says that everything has a cause, that's the only question you need to answer.

I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Yet there is no scientific theory, law or even hypothesis for ''creation''

And even if there isn't, that doesn't authenticate evolution. Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Well you said that all the scientific evidence for evolution would fit better for creation so why don't we have a creation theory if what you said it's true?
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December 23, 2017, 03:36:06 PM
Why are people still dumb enough to believe in fairytales.

I dont really get why people have to believe in religion.
No proof of anything at all.. "Look at this book... Its real.."

Yes, and written by some dude who got bored or was mentally ill.

Scientists who study the Bible and its history, find more truth there than in any other science studies.

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Yeah? Like that shit you linked that was supposed to be an amazing discovery done by science and it turned out to be a link that said ''arguments to avoid using'' that you used? Come on badecker, just admit you lost, I would see you as a much more intelligent person if you did.

Once you actually prove that everything has a cause but there is still a thing without a cause I will call evolution false. It's that simple.

Now you are using political science again. Get into the science of Bible creation history (the way the Bible came together), and the science of the logic of the things that the Bible says, and you will see that Bible science is the best and most accurate science around.

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Sure but you still haven't proved that everything has a cause nor shown what science says that everything has a cause, that's the only question you need to answer.

The act of science investigation uses cause and effect,
nothing has ever been found to not have a cause,
scientifically speaking there are so many causes without a non-cause effect ever having been discovered that the odds against non-cause make cause in everything to be a science fact.

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You keep saying the same things. Science uses the 3rd law of newton, which does not say that everything has a cause.
We know the cause of like 0.0000000001% of the things in the whole universe, earth is only 1 of the many quadrillion planets and things in the universe. Somethings might have no cause, as stated like 100 times before.
Scientifically speaking there is no proof that everything has a cause.

The 3rd is based on the fact that everything has motion, even though it isn't said.

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And how does things having motion mean they had a cause? You yourself said that ''god'' has no cause.
legendary
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December 23, 2017, 02:27:10 PM
Why are people still dumb enough to believe in fairytales.

I dont really get why people have to believe in religion.
No proof of anything at all.. "Look at this book... Its real.."

Yes, and written by some dude who got bored or was mentally ill.

Scientists who study the Bible and its history, find more truth there than in any other science studies.

Cool

Yeah? Like that shit you linked that was supposed to be an amazing discovery done by science and it turned out to be a link that said ''arguments to avoid using'' that you used? Come on badecker, just admit you lost, I would see you as a much more intelligent person if you did.

Once you actually prove that everything has a cause but there is still a thing without a cause I will call evolution false. It's that simple.

Now you are using political science again. Get into the science of Bible creation history (the way the Bible came together), and the science of the logic of the things that the Bible says, and you will see that Bible science is the best and most accurate science around.

Cool

Sure but you still haven't proved that everything has a cause nor shown what science says that everything has a cause, that's the only question you need to answer.

The act of science investigation uses cause and effect,
nothing has ever been found to not have a cause,
scientifically speaking there are so many causes without a non-cause effect ever having been discovered that the odds against non-cause make cause in everything to be a science fact.

Cool

You keep saying the same things. Science uses the 3rd law of newton, which does not say that everything has a cause.
We know the cause of like 0.0000000001% of the things in the whole universe, earth is only 1 of the many quadrillion planets and things in the universe. Somethings might have no cause, as stated like 100 times before.
Scientifically speaking there is no proof that everything has a cause.

The 3rd is based on the fact that everything has motion, even though it isn't said.

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legendary
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December 23, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Evolution is not a hoax. We are born and raised. it's an evolution

Semantics.    Cool
legendary
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December 23, 2017, 02:25:25 PM

Sure but you still haven't proved that everything has a cause nor shown what science says that everything has a cause, that's the only question you need to answer.

I never heard anybody knit-pick a topic as much as you. The teensy-eensy bit of lab work that shows that evolution just might possibly exist, has been caused by scientists setting it all up to find what they were looking for. That exact causation defies evolution theory about random mutations.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has ever been observed that has ever been proven to be part of evolution. Everything in nature that seems to be scientific evidence for evolution, scientifically fits creation better.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Yet there is no scientific theory, law or even hypothesis for ''creation''

And even if there isn't, that doesn't authenticate evolution. Evolution is a hoax.

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newbie
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December 23, 2017, 01:45:59 PM
Evolution is not a hoax. We are born and raised. it's an evolution
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