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Quote from: Vod on December 04, 2017, 07:36:14 PM

Modern humans eventually killed the Neanderthals. Modern humans didn't go and kill at the gorillas and monkeys.

Not sure about that. Obviously there were some tensions between Neanderthals and humans, but the vast majority of the Neanderthals perished as a result of non-violent causes. Violence was common, and it was present between various groups of humans as well. But I am saying that the Neanderthals could not adjust to the changing climate and that may be the reason why they vanished.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 05, 2017, 12:28:15 PM

Evolution is a religion. Because it is known to be untrue, it is a hoax as well.

If only you were sane, we could have some nice conversations.

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These are all valid possibilities to the origin of life, the first is similar to the panspermia theory, where life is carried from planet to planet by asteroids, or possibly other life.

The second is the simulated universe hypothesis, whereby we are actually being simulated on a hyper-advanced computer.

Again, your word "possibilities" shows that we don't really know about evolution as a unit theory. Certainly many parts of what is suggested to be evolution have been proven factual. But they have been proven factual for other lines of thinking than evolution at the same time. The evolution theory is a mere story.

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Even if parts of evolution have been proven factual, NONE of religion has been proven factual. Science has the guts to say it doesn't yet know the answers to everything, religion claims to know the answer to everything, and does not change in the face of new information.

Most people don't want to know the truth, they want reassurance that they already know the truth.

Thank you.

Since evolution has been proven non-factual as a whole, and even as a theory, believers in it have a relgion going for themselves.

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I didn't say evolution has been proven non-factual as a whole. I'm saying evolution is a known FACT, we don't know 100% of the mechanisms involved because it happens over such extreme timescales, but we have proven that the broad effects are true. Religion is the belief without evidence, science is the generation of a best fit model based on the evidence available, one is based on complete delusions (religion), the other is based experimental analysis, the scientific method and constant attempts to stress test the results.

But I have showed you that evolution is not a known fact. The reason is that all the parts of it can be applied to other things, and many of the applications are far better for the other things than for evolution.

Fundamentally, cause and effect tears evolution entirely apart, because there are no random mutations. So-called random mutations were all caused by multitudes of cause and effect actions, making it all programmed whether it is evolution or not. Programming needs a programmer.

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There will be no fruit in continuing a discussion with you. But I'll finish with this. Everything has a cause and effect as far as we know, random mutations occur due to cause and effect principles, UV light strikes the mitochondrial DNA, a photolytic lesion develops causing a base adjunct to occur, the replication machinery has a known error rate and this base falls within that margin of error and thus the mutations persists. You are clearly not a scientific man, thus there is no reason for me to continue discussing with, I am arguing with the facts, you are arguing with opinions, thus we are on two different scales.

If random is not opposite to cause and effect, it is at least entirely different. If mutations are random, they are not C&E based. If they are C&E based, they are not random. They can't be both.

As long as evolutionists persist in the idea that there are random mutations, they have nothing, because random has not been proven to exist anywhere. In fact, the greater the scientist, the more he/she is into C&E activity in his/her investigations.

You just flunked basic science.

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I am fairly certain that I am vastly more educated than you in this field, certainly more qualified. To say that things cannot be random because everything is C&E based is absurd, random simply means unpredictable, let me see you predict which cells in your body are developing mutations right now.

The random you speak about is not pure random. All you are saying is that you don't know, when you say random. That's what quantum "this or that" is about. It is about organized guesswork - probability. So, thank you for your insight from your great education.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution The peppered moth didn't ''randomly'' evolve, it changed color due to industrial pollution, thats the cause, and it's evolution is the effect. I don't see your point.

Since I didn't talk about any moths, it's very easy to understand why you don't understand my point. You are simply out of it >>> close to funny farm material.

When people understand the cause, it isn't random mutation, at least not in the sense of evolution. Rather, it is simply change.

In the case of the moth, the method of change is understood, factually. In much of the change that evolution talks about, the method of change is only guessed at, or is not even noted. Rather, the change is attributed to spontaneous (random) activity going on.

Now, if what is meant by random activity is simply that we don't know the cause and effect process, then we are accurate. But if we mean that there was a pure random change, then we are wrong. Most of evolution is attributed to pure random C&E, rather than unknown C&E. Evolution is wrong in this respect.

Since one of the basic fundamentals of scientific investigation is cause and effect, and since scientists know this, because they know what they are doing, they are hoaxing when they promote standard evolution. Why? Because all of the stuff attributed to evolution, and everything, else is a cause and effect programming.

Evolution is a complete hoax. Good science fiction, though.

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No one claims evolution is truly random, I don't know what you are talking about.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13698-evolution-myths-evolution-is-random/

The industrial revolution is a ''random'' event, It was not intended to make moths change color but it did, that's not random and no one claims it is.

Why would you think the industrial revolution was a random event? There aren't any random events. There are only events that people call random because they don't understand what made them happen.

Many people claim that parts of evolution are random. That's why evolution fails. None of it is random.

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''RANDOM'' as not intended to make moths change color, are you dumb? The industrial revolution was caused by people, how does that change the truth that moths evolved or all the other animals evolve?

That is your non-random, cause and effect response. Why would industrial revolution humans not be affected by C&E in their thinking, just the way we are being caused to post the way we are, by C&E?

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Because humans didn't have an industrial revolution purposely to change the color of a moth, that's why. The cause of the industrial revolution are humans and other things. That's the cause, the effects are many, one of them being moths changing color, I still don't see any problems here. What is your point exactly?

Since cause and effect operates even on humans, humans DID have "their" industrial revolution purposely. The purpose and control simply weren't theirs. In fact, the main purpose might have been to change the color of moths for the main reason of our discussion, here, in this thread, in this forum.

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It doesn't matter though. What matters is that the moth evolved. That's our argument here, no? If evolution is real. It doesn't matter what caused the evolution, what matters is that things evolve. You believe in free will yet you are telling me that human actions are already pre destined? How does that work with your belief in God?

I have posted several times that if evolved means simple change, then, YES, evolution exists. But if evolution means inanimate to life, or changes that took a single cell all the way to mankind, then NO.

Cause and effect shows that everything is programmed. I understand why there is free will. But general science doesn't.

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But evolution is not about the first cell or inanimate to life. Evolution is described as ''change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.[1][2] Evolutionary processes give rise to biodiversity at every level of biological organisation, including the levels of species, individual organisms, and molecules''

It is change of course, humans evolving from ancestors is a change.

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These are all valid possibilities to the origin of life, the first is similar to the panspermia theory, where life is carried from planet to planet by asteroids, or possibly other life.

The second is the simulated universe hypothesis, whereby we are actually being simulated on a hyper-advanced computer.

Again, your word "possibilities" shows that we don't really know about evolution as a unit theory. Certainly many parts of what is suggested to be evolution have been proven factual. But they have been proven factual for other lines of thinking than evolution at the same time. The evolution theory is a mere story.

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Exactly that is why it is just a theory. It is a complete theory or analysis or guess by the scientist which does not occur. It is a pure scientific guess on how this one creature became like this because of the evolution theory. The thinking that we came from monkeys are really absurd. All the gorillas or monkeys in the cage should become humans right now.

What a ridiculous response, I notice that all those respondants clearly have no idea what the actual theory of evolution is.

NOBODY said we evolved from monkeys, monkeys, apes and humans share a common ancestor, meaning we all evolved from a common ancestor, and obviously diverged along that path.

Interesting how religiosity and low intelligence are positively correlated.

humans share a common ancestor..<
So if you say we didn't come from monkeys WHAT if no monkeys was ever around would we have humans walking this planet?..

So if no monkeys at all are you saying we would have humans Wink

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So if my gran is my ancestor did i not evolve from him or her originally ..
Because without my gran i would be here..

So without monkeys would humans be walking this earth?..

So we come from MONKEYS..I rest my case Grin

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Also did we evolve from plants?..
we come from a single point in time and life spread ..

But the fact monkeys come to be and as time went on because of the monkey we turned into a human..

Plant life fish life animal life human life all act the same in many ways from the fact we come from that single point in time..

We evolved from this earth like the grass in the fields..

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Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE

yes, I think the theory of evolution can no longer be believed, and the theory of evolution is very much at odds with the religion we hold in which God created man as a better and perfect creature compared to monkeys even though there is little resemblance to bone structure or dna.
in fact today there are still many monkeys that live around humans, they are still regular monkeys and will never be like humans.

the reason is that this kind of primates from which we have originated in the modern environment simply does not exist. It is supposed that our ancestors were steppe monkeys

Moreover, the appearance of the human race would be impossible if the climatic conditions had not been changed. This situation led the monkeys to struggle for their existence, which led to the emergence of the first sensible thoughts and actions

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Quote from: ridery99 on May 14, 2017, 09:38:55 AM

Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE

yes, I think the theory of evolution can no longer be believed, and the theory of evolution is very much at odds with the religion we hold in which God created man as a better and perfect creature compared to monkeys even though there is little resemblance to bone structure or dna.
in fact today there are still many monkeys that live around humans, they are still regular monkeys and will never be like humans.

the reason is that this kind of primates from which we have originated in the modern environment simply does not exist. It is supposed that our ancestors were steppe monkeys

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Since the first, I do not at all believe with the theory of evolution. as a religious person, I remain convinced that the human was created from soil.

How do you sleep at night after dropping statements like those? You are basically saying you don't want to believe in science and you would rather believe that we came from soil. How is that more believable than evolution?

"Evolution is a hoax, God pointed at the floor and converted soil into life".

Now you are kinda catching on. It wasn't a floor, and God did more than just point. But you are getting there.

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Quote from: Parodium on December 05, 2017, 12:27:05 PM

It actually sickens me how ignorant some people are, they have no idea what evolution is, and then they call it a hoax.

In the future, when God is proven indisputably false, religious people will be laughed out of the streets and into the wild.

Evolution is a religion. Because it is known to be untrue, it is a hoax as well.

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It actually sickens me how ignorant some people are, they have no idea what evolution is, and then they call it a hoax.

In the future, when God is proven indisputably false, religious people will be laughed out of the streets and into the wild.

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Quote from: David_M on December 05, 2017, 10:48:23 AM

Come on! If you don't belive in evolution maybe you also gonna deny the moon landing?.. oops I guess you are! lol

Look at some of the things that the Islamic religion believes in. They believe that the moon was split down the middle. That is religion. So is evolution that is believed to be true.

Belief in the moon landings is in the direction of religion. Knowledge that the moon landings took place takes it out of belief, and out of religion.

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