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legendary
Activity: 4046
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September 02, 2017, 03:28:01 PM
Tried that. There wasn't any species to species proof at the library.


I suggest you try a different library.  One that is funded.

Millions of people have proven evolution is real.

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If there were any at all, you would be able to provide it. With millions, you should be able to provide one, at least, right?

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legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
September 02, 2017, 03:26:15 PM
Tried that. There wasn't any species to species proof at the library.


I suggest you try a different library.  One that is funded.

Millions of people have proven evolution is real.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
September 02, 2017, 03:25:21 PM
And that's part of the reason you can't show any proof, right?    Cool

Proof is in the library.

Go to one (don't bring a dog) and read!

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Tried that. There wasn't any species to species proof at the library.

Cool
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legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
September 02, 2017, 03:24:03 PM
And that's part of the reason you can't show any proof, right?    Cool

Proof is in the library.

Go to one (don't bring a dog) and read!

Cool
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
September 02, 2017, 03:22:41 PM
That's how I know that often they don't even allow seeing eye dogs into the libraries, to say nothing about millions of them.

As humans evolved millions of dogs, they didn't take each one into a library, no.

Libraries didn't exist when mankind started evolving dogs.

Cool

No provable species to species change.    Cool

Millions of people have proved otherwise.

Cool

And that's part of the reason you can't show any proof, right?    Cool
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legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
September 02, 2017, 03:19:25 PM
That's how I know that often they don't even allow seeing eye dogs into the libraries, to say nothing about millions of them.

As humans evolved millions of dogs, they didn't take each one into a library, no.

Libraries didn't exist when mankind started evolving dogs.

Cool

No provable species to species change.    Cool

Millions of people have proved otherwise.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
September 02, 2017, 03:17:22 PM
That's how I know that often they don't even allow seeing eye dogs into the libraries, to say nothing about millions of them.

As humans evolved millions of dogs, they didn't take each one into a library, no.

Libraries didn't exist when mankind started evolving dogs.

Cool

No provable species to species change.    Cool
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legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
September 02, 2017, 03:15:43 PM
That's how I know that often they don't even allow seeing eye dogs into the libraries, to say nothing about millions of them.

As humans evolved millions of dogs, they didn't take each one into a library, no.

Libraries didn't exist when mankind started evolving dogs.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
September 02, 2017, 03:12:55 PM
Actually, there isn't even one recorded instance of such. There might be a few assumptions, but no proof.

Actually, there are millions.  Visit a library.

Cool

Often they don't even allow seeing eye dogs into the libraries.

Cool

Then don't bring a dog.  Visit a library and educate yourself.

Cool

That's how I know that often they don't even allow seeing eye dogs into the libraries, to say nothing about millions of them. You enjoy being dense, don't you. Wasn't a question.

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legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
September 02, 2017, 03:09:47 PM
Actually, there isn't even one recorded instance of such. There might be a few assumptions, but no proof.

Actually, there are millions.  Visit a library.

Cool

Often they don't even allow seeing eye dogs into the libraries.

Cool

Then don't bring a dog.  Visit a library and educate yourself.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
September 02, 2017, 03:08:34 PM
Actually, there isn't even one recorded instance of such. There might be a few assumptions, but no proof.

Actually, there are millions.  Visit a library.

Cool

Often they don't even allow seeing eye dogs into the libraries.

Cool
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
September 02, 2017, 02:46:00 PM
Actually, there isn't even one recorded instance of such. There might be a few assumptions, but no proof.

Actually, there are millions.  Visit a library.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
September 02, 2017, 02:39:47 PM
Since you aren't talking species to species changes, we won't know what you are talking about until you tell us.

I'm talking about dogs proving evolution - species to species change.

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Actually, there isn't even one recorded instance of such. There might be a few assumptions, but no proof.

Cool
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legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
September 02, 2017, 02:34:21 PM
Since you aren't talking species to species changes, we won't know what you are talking about until you tell us.

I'm talking about dogs proving evolution - species to species change.

Cool
full member
Activity: 301
Merit: 103
September 02, 2017, 02:33:24 PM
Nobody has seen dogs evolve regarding species. All dog changes are in breeding. "But, but, but..." you will say. "The various species exist. So, they must have come about." So, you can play the game that there was species change without actually knowing it.

Millions of people have watched and guided dogs evolutions over the last few centuries.

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Have they? Grin
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
September 02, 2017, 02:33:02 PM
Species aren't changing. They are simply being found, just like planets around stars.

Millions of people have guided dog's evolution over the past few centuries, and they have kept records.

Cool

Since you aren't talking species to species changes, we won't know what you are talking about until you tell us.

Cool
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
September 02, 2017, 02:16:03 PM
Species aren't changing. They are simply being found, just like planets around stars.

Millions of people have guided dog's evolution over the past few centuries, and they have kept records.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
September 02, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
Nobody has seen dogs evolve regarding species. All dog changes are in breeding. "But, but, but..." you will say. "The various species exist. So, they must have come about." So, you can play the game that there was species change without actually knowing it.

Millions of people have watched and guided dogs evolutions over the last few centuries.

Cool

So what? Dogs and people change. Check out the cemeteries. No species to species change, however. That form of evolution is a hoax.

Cool

there were the two new species of American goatsbeards (or salsifies, genus Tragopogon) that sprung into existence in the past century. In the early 1900s, three species of these wildflowers - the western salsify (T. dubius), the meadow salsify (T. pratensis), and the oyster plant (T. porrifolius) - were introduced to the United States from Europe. As their populations expanded, the species interacted, often producing sterile hybrids. But by the 1950s, scientists realized that there were two new variations of goatsbeard growing. While they looked like hybrids, they weren't sterile. They were perfectly capable of reproducing with their own kind but not with any of the original three species - the classic definition of a new species.

But just because we can't see all speciation events from start to finish doesn't mean we can't see species splitting. If the theory of evolution is true, we would expect to find species in various stages of separation all over the globe. There would be ones that have just begun to split, showing reproductive isolation, and those that might still look like one species but haven't interbred for thousands of years. Indeed, that is exactly what we find.

The apple maggot fly, Rhagoletis pomonella is a prime example of a species just beginning to diverge. These flies are native to the United States, and up until the discovery of the Americas by Europeans, fed solely on hawthorns. But with the arrival of new people came a new potential food source to its habitat: apples. At first, the flies ignored the tasty treats. But over time, some flies realized they could eat the apples, too, and began switching trees. While alone this doesn't explain why the flies would speciate, a curious quirk of their biology does: apple maggot flies mate on the tree they're born on. As a few flies jumped trees, they cut themselves off from the rest of their species, even though they were but a few feet away. When geneticists took a closer look in the late 20th century, they found that the two types - those that feed on apples and those that feed on hawthorns - have different allele frequencies. Indeed, right under our noses, Rhagoletis pomonella began the long journey of speciation.

As we would expect, other animals are much further along in the process - although we don't always realize it until we look at their genes.

Orcas (Orcinus orca), better known as killer whales, all look fairly similar. They're big dolphins with black and white patches that hunt in packs and perform neat tricks at Sea World. But for several decades now, marine mammalogists have thought that there was more to the story. Behavioral studies have revealed that different groups of orcas have different behavioral traits. They feed on different animals, act differently, and even talk differently. But without a way to follow the whales underwater to see who they mate with, the scientists couldn't be sure if the different whale cultures were simply quirks passed on from generation to generation or a hint at much more.

Now, geneticists have done what the behavioral researchers could not. They looked at how the whales breed. When they looked at the entire mitochondrial genome from 139 different whales throughout the globe, they found dramatic differences. These data suggested there are indeed at least three different species of killer whale. Phylogenetic analysis indicated that the different species of orca have been separated for 150,000 to 700,000 years.

Up until a few years ago, astronomers only guessed that there were planets around other stars. Sure, it seemed logical to think that there were. But they couldn't prove it until they found the method to prove it. Now they are noticing planets around many different stars.

Were the planets there all along? Or did they simply spring into being because astronomers found new and more delicate methods for seeing them?

Same with species. When science gets done, they will find that the whole cause and effect program is so complex that they won't know if species are coming or going. All science is doing is delving into "stuff" that's a little deeper than they looked at before.

Species aren't changing. They are simply being found, just like planets around stars.

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hero member
Activity: 1624
Merit: 645
September 02, 2017, 09:01:05 AM
Nobody has seen dogs evolve regarding species. All dog changes are in breeding. "But, but, but..." you will say. "The various species exist. So, they must have come about." So, you can play the game that there was species change without actually knowing it.

Millions of people have watched and guided dogs evolutions over the last few centuries.

Cool

So what? Dogs and people change. Check out the cemeteries. No species to species change, however. That form of evolution is a hoax.

Cool

there were the two new species of American goatsbeards (or salsifies, genus Tragopogon) that sprung into existence in the past century. In the early 1900s, three species of these wildflowers - the western salsify (T. dubius), the meadow salsify (T. pratensis), and the oyster plant (T. porrifolius) - were introduced to the United States from Europe. As their populations expanded, the species interacted, often producing sterile hybrids. But by the 1950s, scientists realized that there were two new variations of goatsbeard growing. While they looked like hybrids, they weren't sterile. They were perfectly capable of reproducing with their own kind but not with any of the original three species - the classic definition of a new species.

But just because we can't see all speciation events from start to finish doesn't mean we can't see species splitting. If the theory of evolution is true, we would expect to find species in various stages of separation all over the globe. There would be ones that have just begun to split, showing reproductive isolation, and those that might still look like one species but haven't interbred for thousands of years. Indeed, that is exactly what we find.

The apple maggot fly, Rhagoletis pomonella is a prime example of a species just beginning to diverge. These flies are native to the United States, and up until the discovery of the Americas by Europeans, fed solely on hawthorns. But with the arrival of new people came a new potential food source to its habitat: apples. At first, the flies ignored the tasty treats. But over time, some flies realized they could eat the apples, too, and began switching trees. While alone this doesn't explain why the flies would speciate, a curious quirk of their biology does: apple maggot flies mate on the tree they're born on. As a few flies jumped trees, they cut themselves off from the rest of their species, even though they were but a few feet away. When geneticists took a closer look in the late 20th century, they found that the two types - those that feed on apples and those that feed on hawthorns - have different allele frequencies. Indeed, right under our noses, Rhagoletis pomonella began the long journey of speciation.

As we would expect, other animals are much further along in the process - although we don't always realize it until we look at their genes.

Orcas (Orcinus orca), better known as killer whales, all look fairly similar. They're big dolphins with black and white patches that hunt in packs and perform neat tricks at Sea World. But for several decades now, marine mammalogists have thought that there was more to the story. Behavioral studies have revealed that different groups of orcas have different behavioral traits. They feed on different animals, act differently, and even talk differently. But without a way to follow the whales underwater to see who they mate with, the scientists couldn't be sure if the different whale cultures were simply quirks passed on from generation to generation or a hint at much more.

Now, geneticists have done what the behavioral researchers could not. They looked at how the whales breed. When they looked at the entire mitochondrial genome from 139 different whales throughout the globe, they found dramatic differences. These data suggested there are indeed at least three different species of killer whale. Phylogenetic analysis indicated that the different species of orca have been separated for 150,000 to 700,000 years.
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
September 02, 2017, 08:18:56 AM
Nobody has seen dogs evolve regarding species. All dog changes are in breeding. "But, but, but..." you will say. "The various species exist. So, they must have come about." So, you can play the game that there was species change without actually knowing it.

Millions of people have watched and guided dogs evolutions over the last few centuries.

Cool

So what? Dogs and people change. Check out the cemeteries. No species to species change, however. That form of evolution is a hoax.

Cool
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