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legendary
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June 19, 2018, 04:40:40 PM
The programming for all of the physical, and many of the mental processes, is found in the DNA. But the forms of DNA programming that would constitute evolution have never been found.

Copy a tape a million times and you will only find devolution... never evolution.

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You do realize that there is no evolution gene? Evolution is changes, any changes, which happens every single day in millions of species offspring’s. And there is no such thing as devolution. The usability of any evolution (any change) is in the view of the beholder – or rather its accepters and usability in the given community a species live in. Maybe more short said, the edge it gives in the mating game.

So a tape copied a million time is not devolution, it is evolution. You may not like how the new song turned out, but others may. If enough to make platinum, it essentially won the mating game. Evolution in progress. For every time a change sticks to a species for good, another 10000 did not.


The dictionary at http://www.dictionary.com/browse/devolution?s=t disagrees with your claim that there is no devolution.

A wood carver carves a log into a chair. As he chips tiny pieces of wood off the log, at what point is it no longer a log, but a chair? If it is both at some points, what's the purpose? - evolution theory says that evolution has purposes why something evolves into the next stage.

In addition, how is it prove that the billions of daily changes are evolution and not adaptation. Adaptation can easily be proven, but evolution can only be suggested. So far, there isn't even one change that has been proven to be evolution... or have you found one?

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legendary
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June 19, 2018, 04:31:23 PM

Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.

If we knew how God did it, we would be like the angels.

Since you are the one who says the popping thing, maybe you should pop yourself up some popcorn. God didn't pop anything into existence. He simply created them rapidly, piece by piece. Read the 6 days of creation in the Bible.

Why do you resist the idea of things coming into being from nothing? Even big bang suggests things popping into existence from nothing - we don't know what nothing is made up of.

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So, as I said, popping them into existence, we have yet to find an animal just popping into existence, we should find plenty of examples like that if creation was true.
https://youtu.be/lIEoO5KdPvg

Very easy video explaining the evolution of whales, something that shouldn't happen if god created everything, all the animals should be different and not related in time.

Good... both of us agreeing that things don't pop into existence. But big bang theory says that they did. However, the two claims in the video are easily shown to be false.

1. The fact that life has to do with carbon cycle DNA isn't proof for evolution. After all, God made these things this way so that they can operate together on earth. To prove evolution, we would need many other cycle forms - silicon, gold or silver, helium, etc. - which don't exist even a little that we have found. To say that these other forms of evolution can't exist because of this or that, is simply making excuses. The best reason for these other cycles not existing is that the Maker didn't make them.

2. Evolution theory says that the changes that changed one life form to another were very small. But we don't have even one example of one of these small changes that we can prove is a conversion from one creature type to another. For example. A wood carver carves a chair out of a log. As he chips tiny chips from the log, at which point does the log become the chair? We don't have any of those intermediate "log-to-chair" fossils in the fossil record. So why would anyone think that they might exist?

Evolution is a complete hoax.

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legendary
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June 19, 2018, 04:17:04 PM
I was kind of amazed by the exchange of ideas here.

Well, for me, evolution remains to be a theory, yes, just that, a theory, until now. I don't know how Charles Darwin became a celebrity scientist right after he theorized that what we are now are different centuries and centuries ago. Perhaps because his idea was sort of radically new? The discovery actually caused a bandwagon mentality among a lot people. The entire world was stirred by his claim. Established religion was terribly shaken to its core. School curricula are challenged. The people's comfort zone was rendered uncomfortable.  

You are not making any sence here. I know that you dont know what evolution theory is, so mabye read up about it?
Everything you said in the last post supports evolution, so why are you calling it a hoax?

Edit: I'm interested to know where you disagrees with evolutoion. Not some stoneage bible quotes that means nothing
And dont say rabbits and donkeys or some stupid thing making babies since evolution don't say that

Since there isn't any proven example of even one instance of evolution theory kind of evolution, evolution is a religion. Since it is being propagated as truth by those who know that there isn't anything to back it up, evolution is a hoax.

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legendary
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June 19, 2018, 04:09:51 PM

Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.

If we knew how God did it, we would be like the angels.

Since you are the one who says the popping thing, maybe you should pop yourself up some popcorn. God didn't pop anything into existence. He simply created them rapidly, piece by piece. Read the 6 days of creation in the Bible.

Why do you resist the idea of things coming into being from nothing? Even big bang suggests things popping into existence from nothing - we don't know what nothing is made up of.

Cool
we don't know what nothing is made up of. < fairy tales

I think your brains have popped .
We evolve from a sperm cell into a human   BUT  i still thinks your a sperm cell..

Are you saying that nothing is made up of fairy tales? Do you mean that the nothingness of outer space is all make believe, and that there isn't any outer space? Please explain a little more clearly so we can understand what you really believe.

As for evolving from a sperm cell into an adult human, that's called programming, or DNA programming to be more specific. We can call it evolution, because simple change can even be called evolution. However, the evolution that we are talking about in this thread is evolution theory evolution. Such evolution is a complete hoax. Why? Because nobody has a proven example of it after what must be billions or trillions of supposed evolution happenings or instances.

Evolution doesn't exist. Evolution is a hoax.

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hero member
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June 19, 2018, 02:46:23 PM
I was kind of amazed by the exchange of ideas here.

Well, for me, evolution remains to be a theory, yes, just that, a theory, until now. I don't know how Charles Darwin became a celebrity scientist right after he theorized that what we are now are different centuries and centuries ago. Perhaps because his idea was sort of radically new? The discovery actually caused a bandwagon mentality among a lot people. The entire world was stirred by his claim. Established religion was terribly shaken to its core. School curricula are challenged. The people's comfort zone was rendered uncomfortable.  

You are not making any sence here. I know that you dont know what evolution theory is, so mabye read up about it?
Everything you said in the last post supports evolution, so why are you calling it a hoax?

Edit: I'm interested to know where you disagrees with evolutoion. Not some stoneage bible quotes that means nothing
And dont say rabbits and donkeys or some stupid thing making babies since evolution don't say that
legendary
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June 19, 2018, 02:29:41 PM

Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.

If we knew how God did it, we would be like the angels.

Since you are the one who says the popping thing, maybe you should pop yourself up some popcorn. God didn't pop anything into existence. He simply created them rapidly, piece by piece. Read the 6 days of creation in the Bible.

Why do you resist the idea of things coming into being from nothing? Even big bang suggests things popping into existence from nothing - we don't know what nothing is made up of.

Cool
we don't know what nothing is made up of. < fairy tales

I think your brains have popped .
We evolve from a sperm cell into a human   BUT  i still thinks your a sperm cell..
hero member
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June 19, 2018, 05:23:14 AM

Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.

If we knew how God did it, we would be like the angels.

Since you are the one who says the popping thing, maybe you should pop yourself up some popcorn. God didn't pop anything into existence. He simply created them rapidly, piece by piece. Read the 6 days of creation in the Bible.

Why do you resist the idea of things coming into being from nothing? Even big bang suggests things popping into existence from nothing - we don't know what nothing is made up of.

Cool

So, as I said, popping them into existence, we have yet to find an animal just popping into existence, we should find plenty of examples like that if creation was true.
https://youtu.be/lIEoO5KdPvg

Very easy video explaining the evolution of whales, something that shouldn't happen if god created everything, all the animals should be different and not related in time.
full member
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June 19, 2018, 12:46:09 AM
The programming for all of the physical, and many of the mental processes, is found in the DNA. But the forms of DNA programming that would constitute evolution have never been found.

Copy a tape a million times and you will only find devolution... never evolution.

Cool

You do realize that there is no evolution gene? Evolution is changes, any changes, which happens every single day in millions of species offspring’s. And there is no such thing as devolution. The usability of any evolution (any change) is in the view of the beholder – or rather its accepters and usability in the given community a species live in. Maybe more short said, the edge it gives in the mating game.

So a tape copied a million time is not devolution, it is evolution. You may not like how the new song turned out, but others may. If enough to make platinum, it essentially won the mating game. Evolution in progress. For every time a change sticks to a species for good, another 10000 did not.
legendary
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June 18, 2018, 09:45:59 PM

Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.

If we knew how God did it, we would be like the angels.

Since you are the one who says the popping thing, maybe you should pop yourself up some popcorn. God didn't pop anything into existence. He simply created them rapidly, piece by piece. Read the 6 days of creation in the Bible.

Why do you resist the idea of things coming into being from nothing? Even big bang suggests things popping into existence from nothing - we don't know what nothing is made up of.

Cool
legendary
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June 18, 2018, 09:41:03 PM
^^^ The first and most important question is, where is at least one example of evolution. All supposed examples of evolution fit adaptation or something else better. All we have is ideas and talk. Not even one factual evolution event has been found.

Evolution is a hoax.

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newbie
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June 18, 2018, 05:24:12 PM
I think evolution is quite real and rather scientifically correct but there are still a lot of open questions.
There is no link between the earth monkey and the modern homo sapiens what scientifically tells us that something in our history is seriously missing.
My "wild" theory is that the earth has been colonated from the stars and the real genetic lineage of man through evolution can be found on another planet some lightyears away.
hero member
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June 18, 2018, 04:58:08 PM

Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.

Evolution in the form of simple change happens all the time.

Evolution according to evolution theory has never been factually seen. In addition, simple searches of the Internet show many reasons why it is impossible. The so-called debunking of these impossibilities are full of way more flaws than evolution theory alone.

Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.

Adaptation is found all over the place. A simple example is diseases becoming medicine resistant. But there is not even one factual sighting of evolution theory evolution.

Cool

''Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.'' Yes it does, the bible clearly states how god made the earth and stars and animals instantly because he wanted, so yes, animals popped into existence. As I said I haven't seen an example of that yet, do you have one?

Making things in a day or a week like the Bible says, isn't popping them into existence. You are trying to mix the Bible up with big bang.

Cool

Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.
legendary
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June 18, 2018, 03:50:26 PM

Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.

Evolution in the form of simple change happens all the time.

Evolution according to evolution theory has never been factually seen. In addition, simple searches of the Internet show many reasons why it is impossible. The so-called debunking of these impossibilities are full of way more flaws than evolution theory alone.

Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.

Adaptation is found all over the place. A simple example is diseases becoming medicine resistant. But there is not even one factual sighting of evolution theory evolution.

Cool

''Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.'' Yes it does, the bible clearly states how god made the earth and stars and animals instantly because he wanted, so yes, animals popped into existence. As I said I haven't seen an example of that yet, do you have one?

Making things in a day or a week like the Bible says, isn't popping them into existence. You are trying to mix the Bible up with big bang.

Cool
hero member
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June 18, 2018, 12:15:34 PM

Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.

Evolution in the form of simple change happens all the time.

Evolution according to evolution theory has never been factually seen. In addition, simple searches of the Internet show many reasons why it is impossible. The so-called debunking of these impossibilities are full of way more flaws than evolution theory alone.

Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.

Adaptation is found all over the place. A simple example is diseases becoming medicine resistant. But there is not even one factual sighting of evolution theory evolution.

Cool

''Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.'' Yes it does, the bible clearly states how god made the earth and stars and animals instantly because he wanted, so yes, animals popped into existence. As I said I haven't seen an example of that yet, do you have one?
legendary
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June 18, 2018, 11:29:43 AM

Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.

Evolution in the form of simple change happens all the time.

Evolution according to evolution theory has never been factually seen. In addition, simple searches of the Internet show many reasons why it is impossible. The so-called debunking of these impossibilities are full of way more flaws than evolution theory alone.

Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.

Adaptation is found all over the place. A simple example is diseases becoming medicine resistant. But there is not even one factual sighting of evolution theory evolution.

Cool
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June 18, 2018, 11:15:24 AM

''simple example'' First of all the big bang theory does have a few competing theories, unlike evolution theory which really doesn't. Second of all the big bang is not just a bunch of accurate math, it's far more than that-

''As for the Big Bang, like most theories within cosmology, it is derived from extrapolation, projection and conjecture. It represents the conjecture that if you reverse the expanding universe, then you get a shrinking universe and that if you extrapolate that shrinking universe long enough, you get a recombination of everything into one small entity - called a singularity.''

''Once we made that assumption, we looked for evidence or confirmation that it did or could have happened…and we found it, we think. If it happened the way we think it did, then it would have produced something like the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)…and we found it. There are other math and empirical indicators also.''

But all of this has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong, you were wrong about the definition of a scientific theory and also the difference between a scientific theory and a law, you were also wrong about entropy thinking that it disproves evolution. As you can see, you are wrong about a lot of things, factually, of course Smiley

Are we not all mistaken in many things? That someone would use extrapolation to think that evolution is real, when there is no example of evolution having ever been found, shows how deep mistakes run.

I am not mistaken about scientific theory. Simply the fact that scientific theory includes the idea of constant changeability of scientific theories shows that scientific theories are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, simply theories... if even that much.

Cool

What would be a ''real'' example of evolution exactly?
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-evolution.html
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/

You can find thousands.


I'm sure you believe in gravity because I have seen you defend it, isn't gravity just a theory? What you seem to not understand is that a scientific theory, although it can be changed, it's the best explanation we have at the time of a certain phenomena, in this case evolution.


Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.

I don't believe in gravity. Rather, I know that it exists because I use it all the time, have always used it, have never seen an example of it not working, have never heard of an example of it not working, etc.

Why gravity works is explained by theory in its lesser form, called scientific theory. You are an example of why scientific theory is weaker than theory. Simple theory is known to be theoretical. Scientific theory is suggested to be truth at times simply because a bunch of people feel like it is truth.

This means that theory express honesty - we don't know for sure - while you never know if scientific theory is being honest or not, especially if it expresses that the thing that it says is the truth.

Wouldn't you rather have honesty than delusion?

Cool

Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.
legendary
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June 18, 2018, 11:01:32 AM

''simple example'' First of all the big bang theory does have a few competing theories, unlike evolution theory which really doesn't. Second of all the big bang is not just a bunch of accurate math, it's far more than that-

''As for the Big Bang, like most theories within cosmology, it is derived from extrapolation, projection and conjecture. It represents the conjecture that if you reverse the expanding universe, then you get a shrinking universe and that if you extrapolate that shrinking universe long enough, you get a recombination of everything into one small entity - called a singularity.''

''Once we made that assumption, we looked for evidence or confirmation that it did or could have happened…and we found it, we think. If it happened the way we think it did, then it would have produced something like the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)…and we found it. There are other math and empirical indicators also.''

But all of this has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong, you were wrong about the definition of a scientific theory and also the difference between a scientific theory and a law, you were also wrong about entropy thinking that it disproves evolution. As you can see, you are wrong about a lot of things, factually, of course Smiley

Are we not all mistaken in many things? That someone would use extrapolation to think that evolution is real, when there is no example of evolution having ever been found, shows how deep mistakes run.

I am not mistaken about scientific theory. Simply the fact that scientific theory includes the idea of constant changeability of scientific theories shows that scientific theories are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, simply theories... if even that much.

Cool

What would be a ''real'' example of evolution exactly?
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-evolution.html
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/

You can find thousands.


I'm sure you believe in gravity because I have seen you defend it, isn't gravity just a theory? What you seem to not understand is that a scientific theory, although it can be changed, it's the best explanation we have at the time of a certain phenomena, in this case evolution.


Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.

I don't believe in gravity. Rather, I know that it exists because I use it all the time, have always used it, have never seen an example of it not working, have never heard of an example of it not working, etc.

Why gravity works is explained by theory in its lesser form, called scientific theory. You are an example of why scientific theory is weaker than theory. Simple theory is known to be theoretical. Scientific theory is suggested to be truth at times simply because a bunch of people feel like it is truth.

This means that theory express honesty - we don't know for sure - while you never know if scientific theory is being honest or not, especially if it expresses that the thing that it says is the truth.

Wouldn't you rather have honesty than delusion?

Cool
hero member
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June 18, 2018, 10:49:11 AM

''simple example'' First of all the big bang theory does have a few competing theories, unlike evolution theory which really doesn't. Second of all the big bang is not just a bunch of accurate math, it's far more than that-

''As for the Big Bang, like most theories within cosmology, it is derived from extrapolation, projection and conjecture. It represents the conjecture that if you reverse the expanding universe, then you get a shrinking universe and that if you extrapolate that shrinking universe long enough, you get a recombination of everything into one small entity - called a singularity.''

''Once we made that assumption, we looked for evidence or confirmation that it did or could have happened…and we found it, we think. If it happened the way we think it did, then it would have produced something like the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)…and we found it. There are other math and empirical indicators also.''

But all of this has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong, you were wrong about the definition of a scientific theory and also the difference between a scientific theory and a law, you were also wrong about entropy thinking that it disproves evolution. As you can see, you are wrong about a lot of things, factually, of course Smiley

Are we not all mistaken in many things? That someone would use extrapolation to think that evolution is real, when there is no example of evolution having ever been found, shows how deep mistakes run.

I am not mistaken about scientific theory. Simply the fact that scientific theory includes the idea of constant changeability of scientific theories shows that scientific theories are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, simply theories... if even that much.

Cool

What would be a ''real'' example of evolution exactly?
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-evolution.html
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/

You can find thousands.


I'm sure you believe in gravity because I have seen you defend it, isn't gravity just a theory? What you seem to not understand is that a scientific theory, although it can be changed, it's the best explanation we have at the time of a certain phenomena, in this case evolution.
legendary
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June 18, 2018, 10:42:59 AM

''simple example'' First of all the big bang theory does have a few competing theories, unlike evolution theory which really doesn't. Second of all the big bang is not just a bunch of accurate math, it's far more than that-

''As for the Big Bang, like most theories within cosmology, it is derived from extrapolation, projection and conjecture. It represents the conjecture that if you reverse the expanding universe, then you get a shrinking universe and that if you extrapolate that shrinking universe long enough, you get a recombination of everything into one small entity - called a singularity.''

''Once we made that assumption, we looked for evidence or confirmation that it did or could have happened…and we found it, we think. If it happened the way we think it did, then it would have produced something like the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)…and we found it. There are other math and empirical indicators also.''

But all of this has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong, you were wrong about the definition of a scientific theory and also the difference between a scientific theory and a law, you were also wrong about entropy thinking that it disproves evolution. As you can see, you are wrong about a lot of things, factually, of course Smiley

Are we not all mistaken in many things? That someone would use extrapolation to think that evolution is real, when there is no example of evolution having ever been found, shows how deep mistakes run.

I am not mistaken about scientific theory. Simply the fact that scientific theory includes the idea of constant changeability of scientific theories shows that scientific theories are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, simply theories... if even that much.

Cool
hero member
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June 18, 2018, 10:22:23 AM
Evolution cannot explain the complex designs that the universe displays. Humans and animals will generally remain the way they are. They are not evolving into something else.

What complex designs? How do you know they are ''designs'' ?
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